Electrolux Siverado Special Edition - winder issues

[philbr]

Hi all -

I have been around a few years, but mostly away as I spend a lot of time at aw.org(ovrphil).

I found a complete Electrolux Silverado Deluxe that works just fine. The weakest component was
the cord winder. It worked fine for a while, but eventually failed to completely rewind the cord - leaving about six feet. Since I've had this thing apart a few times, to clean and get ready for use, I decided to try to repair the cord winder. I thought I remembered(didn't take a photo, shame on me)how it was arranged. When I re-wound that flat metal spring, that was it. I'm suspicious that I wound it in the wrong direction, but …ha…probably more to it than just that. There's a vanilla colored round plastic double finned piece that spins around. One of the fins is broken. I will try to get photos, but…here's my question:

Has anyone successfully rewound the spring without finding it returning to a weakened condition? In other words, can I repair this myself (if there are some instructions somewhere), or is it far better to just buy another cord winder? I see ebay prices vary and websites advertising about $50 for a replacement. Ouch. My vacuum isn't pristine, so the incentive is to DIY.

Although I've been lurking many times(some of you have the most awesome collections of vacs, which inspired me to find a few fun units at the thrifts). Thanks for any suggestions.

Regards -


Phil

 

[philbr]

Photos

I don't expect most here will be familiar with repairing a winder, but here's my unit and thanks for any feedback or silence…appreciate this site.

 

[tig21er]

Cord reel

is repairable but you have the spring wound on the wrong piece. The small round holder holds the spring. When you take it off the big piece it could go all over the place. And you could get cut. I have cordreel apart and will take a few pictures on what it should look like and how to fix it. I was taught many many years ago to work on cord reels.I will put them on tomorrow.

 

[philbr]

John

Hi John -

I appreciate your reply. Holy&!@!, I need to get some gloves ready - I can't believe I wound it around the wrong piece! Yikes. It's good I'm visually oriented - I look forward to your help. Maybe my mistake brought a couple laughs or smiles - I'm so glad I asked about it, here.

Phil

 

[tig21er]

Cord reel

spring and where it goes and looks like with holder.

 

[tig21er]

Here

is a Silverado cord reel with spring in place.The pen is pointed to the spring that is back in place.To get the proper tension you pull the cord 4 times around and then you put the cover on while holding the cord to retain tension.

 

[philbr]

Plastic spindle has no "nipple" to enable spring att

John -First photo -I see! But, that plastic-finned spool has one fin missing..hope that's not a big deal, I'll just position that piece so the missing fin is lower and the complete set of fins are sitting upward on the steel spindle. Now, question before I begin to wind the spring off the wrong spool ….which will be the easiest way…transferring energy from one to the other, with unravelling it all…..

QUESTION: That plastic spool has no attachment for the holed-end of the spring. While the spring has a way to attach to the piece it's currently wrapped around (the wrong piece as you explained), it has NO nipple, for lack of other descriptor, for the spring to grab onto, so the spring will remain secured on that plastic spool, during the cord un/rewinding process. IS THAT OK? I see two holes in the spring at the ends only, designed for attachment to something. I don't see anything missing from the plastic spool where an attachment of the hole end of the spring would be able to attach. I'm wondering…how can this spring remain secured on that plastic spool without a nipple on the outer rim that the spring gathers on?

So before I transfer the spring, I'll wait for your comments on this. Thank you!

Phil

 

[bikerray]

These might help

 

[philbr]

Bikerray

Here's a picture of my finned piece. I'm wondering - anyone who might know is welcome to answer this - is the piece that is broken off mine that which enables the end of the spring to be secured to it, so when it spins, it's not going to slip around?

Attached photos show that vanilla color "spindle" with missing vane…was that vane critical to securing the end of the spring as its wound around it or is it…

just a friction-secured winding, which would surprise me….

Thanks again, Bikerray and hope John reads this, soon.

 

[bikerray]

The plastic spring spool doesn't have anything to attach the spring to, it's just friction. The ears on the spool keep the spring from wandering as it winds. If you pull the cord out too far sometimes the spring will come off of the small plastic spool. Just wind the spring back on to the plastic spool and then attach the end of the spring with the hole on to the drum as per the schematic that I posted.

Hope this helps

 

[philbr]

Will Do Bikerray!

Ok, thank you…I know I could do trial and error, but it's always a gift to have someone say, "yes" or "no" to the ideas.

"I'll be back". With good news.

 

[philbr]

Bikerray - Good news so far, but can't assemble winder u

…until I have a retaining ring; (3) on the diagram and I can't see detail to know what to search for at a hardware store. I don't see why I couldnt just go with the washer in place alone and screw in the rear assembly and be done with it? I did have trouble getting that spring configured, but I figured it out after realizing that I had the small spool with the spring metal upside down on its spool. :-/ What would a retain ring look like exactly? I have a small mm ruler to measure the diameter of the spool, and I have heard of a compression ring, but I could some help identifying one. Thanks once more, for all your help.


Phil

 

[bikerray]

The retaining ring is just a C clip

 

[philbr]

C-clip

Ok, that's easy. Thanks a bike load! I'm looking forward to using this vac again.

Phil

 

[ultralux88]

I've done quite a few cords on Lux cord reels in the past few years. My recommendation is to replace the spring if you are having a week pull back, and I always replace the spring when replacing the cord.

Nothing holds the spring to its spool because the spring naturally will want to wrap around it, it wraps backwards around the cord reel so that it will want to unwind from the cord's reel and wind back onto its own.

 

[philbr]

Change the spring

Ultralux88 - that was my next step, to see if that's what's needed. I have yet to buy a compression ring, which I'll do today..with all the screws, nuts, bolts, fasteners, I don't have a hardware store like my dad kept.

Thanks for mentioning about the spring - it's a little loose at the last two or three windings and after all these years, I'm sure a new spring would be a good idea anyways.

Love this vac, incidentally.