Electrolux Silverado and Silverado Deluxe

[charles~richard]

Could someone tell me the differences between the Silverado and Silverado Deluxe? I have had both at various times but currently just have the Deluxe. One thing I am aware of is that one or the other of them has a shorter-profile motor than the other one does, and that there is a plastic snout about 2" long to extend the suction opening to the back of the bag cage. I would assume the smaller motor is less powerful, but it if runs at a higher speed that may not be the case.

And speaking of bag cages, didn't Electrolux louse things up when they went to the plastic bag cage with the single suction opening? Didn't the older metal perforated cages do a better job since the suction power was more evenly distributed across the surface of the bag? Especially as it started filling up? Since dirt accummulates at the bag end of the bag, right where the single hole is on the plastic cages, it would seem that they would lose suction much more quickly.

 

[elux89]

I too would like to know the difference. In regards to the motors, from the documentation I've seen, supposedly any models from serial # P-15000-R and above had the newer style motor. Don't quote me on this one, but I think the newer motor was the LF??? I also believe that the newer model motor had a wider diameter fan unit than the SJ style.

I agree with you on the bag cages having one hole at the bottom is not the best. I still like the bag cage in my Canadian Z89, where the suction was distributed fairly evenly on all sides. One way to limit the decrease in airflow as the bag fills, is buy the filtrete or hepa style bags. Paper bags I hate and will never buy again. Try purchasing Endust Hepa bags, they offer exceptional filtration qualities, and airflow does not suffer as greatly as the bag fills, only problem, high price.

Vernon

 

[lux1521]

O.k. Here is the deal on the Silverado.

The Silverado had two big changes during it's run. The first (I assume) was the introduction of the PN-5 power nozzle to replace the PN-4A. The second change was the motor update.

When the name change seems to have occoured at a different time from when the internals changed. I suspect the PN-5 may have been when the name changed. I have a Silverado Deluxe here that has the older Super J motor in it so you can probably rule that out as the point when the name changed.

As I usualy do, I will post pictures of the motors for everyone. On the left is a Diamond J style, which I have never seen in a Silverado myself, but I have only ripped apart two of them. The one on the right is actualy a 1205 motor. A Super J through Silverado motor would have been larger on the electrical end but is otherwise the same as the 1205.

Erick

 

[charles~richard]

Well, like I said, one of my Silverados has the shorter profile, as you see on the in the photo above, then there was a transluscent white plastic collar, of the same diameter as the suction hole and of sufficient length to connect the motor fan opening to the bag cage opening. I still am not clear on which of the two motors is more powerful.

 

[elux89]

Charles,
The motor on the left in Erick's photo, we have one in our 2100, that LF motor pulls about 78 inches of lift. I don't have an SJ motor on hand to test it for comparison. I recently purchased a silverado and SJ, both are being shipped and should be here by late next week. When I get them, I will test and publish results. It will be interesting as to which motor will be in the silverado. Unfortunately, I don't have an airflow test gage, only a suction gage.

Vernon

 

[lux1521]

In terms of power they should be about equal. The point of the later motor is weight reduction. The thing with the later motor is the poorer quality and the difficulty of finding replacement parts. I personaly think Lux motors from about 1983-1987 were quite bad. There is no Electrolux motor I have had as much trouble with as the Diamond J motor. Motors from the Grand Marquise on are better and have double ball bearings instead of a ball/sleeve configuration.

I think it should also be noted that the Super J motor and the Diamond J and later motors are not interchangable. They just won't fit, even with a bag chamber conversion. Now if your good with a dremel tool then you can make mods to the mounting plate.

 

[briankirbyclass]

Hello, everyone, im new to the forum, but have been lurking in the background, its a pleasure to be here.
About the Silverado "Deluxe",,,im a former Kirby salesman (many years ago), and had been told then that "Deluxe" means WITH POWERNOZZLE, as there was always a 1205 "Deluxe", Golden J, Super J, "Deluxe" ect, meaning it comes with the power nozzle.
If the salesman sold the machine without the powernozzle, it was just a 1205, Golden J, Super J, Olympia, Silverado, ect.

Had no idea that there really was a different size motor too, very interesting!

Just wanted to say thank you too to all of you, ive learned so much from all of you here.

 

[camelotshadow]

Very Interesting indeed. The Silverado Deluxe has been my daily driver for years. I just picked up another one yet to be delievered as it had the powernozzle which I don't have. The one coming has the L PN5. I'm not sure if thats the correct PN but thats what this one has. Th Olmypia has a PN4 which I have on ocassion used on the silverado as well as I have used the PN6A from my 2100. They all work. Mine all need new hoses & I am down sizing as I have too many for this small shoe...LOL.

Now I am curious about the other silverado are they both 1505?
Why didn't they change the model number? It would make for a part ordering nightmare & I can't see why electrolux would reconfigure a motor housing & not change the model number.
I have never opened my electrolux except for power nozzles. I think I might peek in the Olympia just to take a look around...

Great Forum!

 

[lux1521]

They are all 1505s. Just for the sake of completeness I'll list all of luxes metal body model #s I'm aware of:

1205 - Original Boxy Style Canister
1205 (or 1210) - Golden J
1401 - Super J (Both Versions)
1401-b - Olympia One
1505 - Silverados (All Versions)
1521 - Diamond Jubilee, Marquise, Grand Marquise, Legacy, Ultralux, Ultralux LX, and Ultralux Classic

Oh, and a Silverado would come with either a PN-4a or black PN-5 power nozzle.

 

[camelotshadow]

Thanks for the info my 1505 Silverado not sure if its deluxe or not is coming w a omni flow PN5 L design so maybe its a replacement.

 

[lux1521]

It looks original to me. Should be interesting to see what you think of the differences between the PN5 and PN6. The PN5 lacks the on/off switch and bare floor brush strip of the PN6.

You can get replacement hoses for these cleaners at www.Hescosinc.com. I think the part number is el-8000. Should cost under $30.00. Some people complain about the lack of a swivel hose handle on this model and choose a more expensive genuine replacement, but I've never had any real problems with these. While your at Hescos you might want to pick up some other lux parts. The prices are great on a lot of stuff.

 

[camelotshadow]

Thanks for the info

Have been to Hesco as they have great schematics.
The off button is a good thing esp as you say for barefloors or persian rugs. I do prefer the PN6 over the way the PN4 grooms but it could need a new belt & I like the metal body. Guess can't have everything.

I thought the PN5 was square but this is what it is. an impulse auction buy & an offer accepted & it looked to me like a good machine.

Some PN5's are metal body so that would make this a late model? Then it would most likely be the deluxe.

I can compare the 2 Silverado's when it comes.

My Silverado Deluxe looks just like the Olympia except its brown & model 1401 B

 

[lux1521]

What you have in the picture above is an Olympia One. All Silverados were the same color.

 

[elux89]

Well guys, so much for the lux repair manual that I have access to that says serial# p-15000-r and above have the newer style motor that Erick has posted above (left one). The one I have starts with p-165__-x, and it has the super j motor. If you plug the air line that runs from the basket to the cordwinder, the SJ motor pulls 75 inches of lift. The lf pulls 78. Not that much of a difference. I regards to airflow, I don't know (seems close)as I don't have a baird airflow gauge to test with. That's my next purchase. Will update when I get one.

Vernon

 

[lux1521]

Nothing like scientific vacuum performance analisis! When it comes down to it I'll take the Super J motor. I can put a music CD in my computer and have a like new Super J motor before the last song is over. I don't think that's possible with a later style motor. The parts for the newer ones are discontinued or hard to find so that kinda stops you before you even start working on those anyway.

 

[camelotshadow]

The brown one is my Olympia just saying my Silverado Deluxe is same length. They look almost identical except for color

Interesting my Silverado Deluxe
ser # is P84975X.

So do they have to have X. I don't have the serial # on the Silverado that's in the mail but I'll be curious to find out. I know the one I have is a Deluxe as it says deluxe. Still confused which would be a better motor.

 

[camelotshadow]

Does the 2100 have a similar motor LF?
I have a plastic body 2100 & the motor sounds the same as the others. It says it had the most powerful motor electrolux offered. I have a complete 2100 PN 6B & I've had it in the closet for almost 10 years not used as it needs a hose.
Those newer hoses dinintegrated from the inside out. The rubber lining is literally falling apart.

 

[lux1521]

The difference between the early Silverado and Olympia are nearly non-existent. The Silverado has some additional reinforcements to the motor frame and the inside of the front cover is plastic and not painted metal. The late Silverado has a different motor altogether.

I have always found the late Silverado motor (which also powered the Diamond Jubilee) to be cheap and relitivly unreliable, although perhaps more powerful and lighter weight. In my opinion Lux didn't make a really good motor again until the Marquise or Grand Marquise, which had double ball bearings that are replaceable.

The 2100 should have the newer style motor. I'd imagine it's the double ball bearing type if it was built after 1987.

 

[camelotshadow]

Interesting...maybe I will nix selling the olympia but my silverado deluxe has always served me well. I'd rather have double ball bearing than sleeve but I am new to learning bout these things from great forums like these.

I paid I think $10 for my Olympia w power nozzle about 5 yrs ago from Salvation Army. Maybe $30 for the Silverado from Good Will wo a power nozzle about 7 yrs ago. I basically bought the olympia for parts & the power nozzle works fine but its brown.

I see the carbon brushes on the motors ...those plastic pieces sticking out. I want to keep one good electrolux & now it might jkust be the 2100 as its complets & hardly used. Its I think from 1988. Even have the manual...another SA buy think it was $35 & when I saw it my eyes lit up & I ran & grabbed it!!!