Electrolux 1205
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super-sweeper
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the 1205
or "diamond jubile"was the first electrolux to NOT have a mtor made by electrolux.
it was really crappy and provided low suctoin compared to the motor of the model G.
or "diamond jubile"was the first electrolux to NOT have a mtor made by electrolux.
it was really crappy and provided low suctoin compared to the motor of the model G.
collector2
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ummmm.......the 1205 and the Diamond Jubilee are two different machines made about 20 years apart.
vacman117
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As stated above, those are two VERY different machines. And the Diamond Jubilee is nowhere near "crappy" in my opinion. It is a pretty powerful machine if you ask me. The reason you are thinking it has low suction is probably because of the hose...
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henry200
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When the 1205 debued in 1968 it had the same motor as the model G. The 1205 went through several minor revisions during it's run and towards the end a more powerful (and louder) motor was introduced. The Diamond Jubilee (75th anniversary) came out in 1984. I have owned both a Turquoise Model G and a 1205 ca. 1970 and both were still working perfectly when I gave them away after 25-30 years of use. My Diamond Jubilee is likewise still going strong even after being used to clean a church for ten years!
Neil
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If I remember correctly, Consumer Reports really liked the 1205 in 1968 or 1969 - maybe even the top rated canister due to the power nozzle. The only thing they had trouble with was that it was not convenient for stair use (body was too long for most stair treads).
If someone has the magazine, maybe they could scan the correct page?
If someone has the magazine, maybe they could scan the correct page?
henry200
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I remember reading that issue of Consumer Reports at the library many years ago. I doubt they kept those old issues so I hope someone here has it. The date must have been '68 or '69 because I remember the 1205 (and the L) were pictured with the telescoping wand. They spoke very highly of the 1205 and I think they even said it performed as well as most uprights at carpet cleaning. At the time I wanted one desperately, and when my godmother got one around '71 or '72 I was seathing with envy!
Neil
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OK, so the 1205 came out with essentially the same motor as the G. During its run an even more powerful motor was used. I wonder what serial number that happened on and was the new motor made in-house? I really want a 1205 since I have the power head and attachments already.....but I want the best one they made.
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Re: the 1205
I would say that any "iteration" of the 1205 is a good one.
In 1968, when the 1205 FIRST came out, it was still a few months before the Consolidated Foods takeover. It had the 535 watt Model G motor, and it came with a pigtail connector for the power nozzle (before the introduction of the fully electric hose). The 535 watt motor is essentially the same motor that the Model G, Model L, Model F Automatic, Model R, Model S, and Model E had. (Actually, some of you may not know this...but the Model L was LABELLED as having a 535 watt motor, however, both my '67 and '74 Ls both draw around 590 watts as registered on my Kill-A-Watt power usage meter).
I'm not sure exactly when the motor in the 1205 was upgraded after the Consolidated takeover...but all 1205s had very reliable motors. Additionally, since the later models (the Super J, Olympia, and Silverado) had the same body dimensions, the motors for all these machines were interchangeable.
I would say that if you find any 1205 in really nice shape, it would be worth the investment. I would like to have a 1205 myself; however, it's a bigger machine than I think I could easily navigate around my tiny apartment. I like the smaller economy models for cleaning here...they're easier to maneuver and use on the carpeted stairs I have that lead up here (and need to be vacuumed once a week).
The Model 1205 was certainly a popular model, and although they still are a dime-a-dozen after almost 40 years, many of them are in very poor shape from years of use and abuse. But every so often, I will see one on eBay that looks like it was hardly ever used. Oftentimes these pristine ones are found at estate sales, where the wealthy inhabitants of the estate had housekeepers who likely used their own vacuums for cleaning, leaving the owner's vacuum in the closet.
I would say that any "iteration" of the 1205 is a good one.
In 1968, when the 1205 FIRST came out, it was still a few months before the Consolidated Foods takeover. It had the 535 watt Model G motor, and it came with a pigtail connector for the power nozzle (before the introduction of the fully electric hose). The 535 watt motor is essentially the same motor that the Model G, Model L, Model F Automatic, Model R, Model S, and Model E had. (Actually, some of you may not know this...but the Model L was LABELLED as having a 535 watt motor, however, both my '67 and '74 Ls both draw around 590 watts as registered on my Kill-A-Watt power usage meter).
I'm not sure exactly when the motor in the 1205 was upgraded after the Consolidated takeover...but all 1205s had very reliable motors. Additionally, since the later models (the Super J, Olympia, and Silverado) had the same body dimensions, the motors for all these machines were interchangeable.
I would say that if you find any 1205 in really nice shape, it would be worth the investment. I would like to have a 1205 myself; however, it's a bigger machine than I think I could easily navigate around my tiny apartment. I like the smaller economy models for cleaning here...they're easier to maneuver and use on the carpeted stairs I have that lead up here (and need to be vacuumed once a week).
The Model 1205 was certainly a popular model, and although they still are a dime-a-dozen after almost 40 years, many of them are in very poor shape from years of use and abuse. But every so often, I will see one on eBay that looks like it was hardly ever used. Oftentimes these pristine ones are found at estate sales, where the wealthy inhabitants of the estate had housekeepers who likely used their own vacuums for cleaning, leaving the owner's vacuum in the closet.
constellation86
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Absolutely awesome link...thank you! And thanks mercury man for the 1205 motor explanations! ebay is always problematic;fantastic selection, but caveats abound. Even having good pics are often woefully deceptive. Let's face it, if you want to cheat someone, ebay's the place to do it. And this of course, shrouds the honest seller who really does have something of interest and describes it accurately. Much to the seller's chagrin, when ebay changed their rules, it's now very easy to get a refund through PayPal. Before, it was often like the Middle Ages and the feedback 'wars' were incredibly tiring.
I'll just keep looking then for a pristine 1205. Can you tell anything about the model run by color changes? They started out turquoise and then what?
I'll just keep looking then for a pristine 1205. Can you tell anything about the model run by color changes? They started out turquoise and then what?
henry200
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One of our members, the amazing electrolux-137 has an excellent cronological overview on his website. He has pages and pages of descriptions with photos of the various models from day one up through the G, 1205 and beyond.
http://www.1377731.com/lux/
http://www.1377731.com/lux/
mercuryman
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Re: The 1205 [More Info]:
The 1205 was always turquoise in color. In 1972, the only appearance detail which changed was the fact that the body, rather than being smooth metal, became a sort of "textured" metal which continued to be used on all the rest of the metal square tank models made by Electrolux through the mid-late 1980s.
The early 1205 ('68-'72) came with the optional PN-1 with telescoping wand. In 1972, a redesigned power nozzle called the PN-2 was introduced (which had a shiny aluminum housing and sported a more square-ish shape). The major difference between the PN-1 and the PN-2 was the type of motor in which they were equipped. Apparently, the newer PN-2 came with a sturdier motor that would last for twice as long as the motor in the PN-1. Even though the PN-1 and PN-2 sound similar when in use, there are slight (yet distinct) differences that I can hear when using one versus the other. I think the PN-2 motor sounds as though it runs smoother than the motor in the PN-1, which sounds (at least to me) as though it runs a little rough.
In 1974, to commemorate Electrolux' 50th anniversary of manufacturing vacuum cleaners in America, the Model 1205J was introduced (known as the Golden Jubilee). It had a redesigned carrying handle, was painted in gold, had a slightly different power switch, a slightly different cleaning selector, yet came with the PN-2 (if the customer decided to purchase the power nozzle). This machine had the same motor as the late-model turquoise 1205.
In 1976, the Super J was introduced, which looked almost identical to the Golden Jubilee, except it bore the model # 1401 (instead of 1205J). The Super J came with a more powerful motor than the 1205/1205J. This was the cleaner introduced alongside the PN-4, designed to be an effective power nozzle to be used on shag carpets which were popular at the time.
I think the true allure of the Model 1205 is that it was the first of the square-tank canisters that had a long run up until "fairly" recently. It was drastically different from the earlier "deluxe" models that Electrolux offered (the Automatic Models G and F). It also came in that lovely turquoise color and sounded smooth and quiet when it ran. A 1205 in pristine shape is truly a beautiful vacuum cleaner.
The 1205 was always turquoise in color. In 1972, the only appearance detail which changed was the fact that the body, rather than being smooth metal, became a sort of "textured" metal which continued to be used on all the rest of the metal square tank models made by Electrolux through the mid-late 1980s.
The early 1205 ('68-'72) came with the optional PN-1 with telescoping wand. In 1972, a redesigned power nozzle called the PN-2 was introduced (which had a shiny aluminum housing and sported a more square-ish shape). The major difference between the PN-1 and the PN-2 was the type of motor in which they were equipped. Apparently, the newer PN-2 came with a sturdier motor that would last for twice as long as the motor in the PN-1. Even though the PN-1 and PN-2 sound similar when in use, there are slight (yet distinct) differences that I can hear when using one versus the other. I think the PN-2 motor sounds as though it runs smoother than the motor in the PN-1, which sounds (at least to me) as though it runs a little rough.
In 1974, to commemorate Electrolux' 50th anniversary of manufacturing vacuum cleaners in America, the Model 1205J was introduced (known as the Golden Jubilee). It had a redesigned carrying handle, was painted in gold, had a slightly different power switch, a slightly different cleaning selector, yet came with the PN-2 (if the customer decided to purchase the power nozzle). This machine had the same motor as the late-model turquoise 1205.
In 1976, the Super J was introduced, which looked almost identical to the Golden Jubilee, except it bore the model # 1401 (instead of 1205J). The Super J came with a more powerful motor than the 1205/1205J. This was the cleaner introduced alongside the PN-4, designed to be an effective power nozzle to be used on shag carpets which were popular at the time.
I think the true allure of the Model 1205 is that it was the first of the square-tank canisters that had a long run up until "fairly" recently. It was drastically different from the earlier "deluxe" models that Electrolux offered (the Automatic Models G and F). It also came in that lovely turquoise color and sounded smooth and quiet when it ran. A 1205 in pristine shape is truly a beautiful vacuum cleaner.
Thank you Nicholas for the wonderful link to Consumer Reports of 1971! Once again, Vacuumland has helped me to trust my memory and prevent me from thinking I was imagining things! It's amazing how much detail I remember about the secret fascination I had with vacuum cleaners as a toddler/child and teenager. How I remembered that Consumer Reports ranked the 1205 as one of their top canisters is beyond me...I can hardly remember what I had for lunch a week ago!!!!
Great to also see that the Eureka 2070 was top-rated.....this was the more bare bones version of the top of the line 2080 Vanguard. Interesting to note that the Eureka 1800 series canister was not acceptable due to a design flaw in the bag compartment!!!
Great to also see that the Eureka 2070 was top-rated.....this was the more bare bones version of the top of the line 2080 Vanguard. Interesting to note that the Eureka 1800 series canister was not acceptable due to a design flaw in the bag compartment!!!
Amazing...Lester's site was like going to the well thirsty.;-) I really love the G and especially the funky turquoise 'Jetson' color scheme. Soooo....I'm looking at adding another...to make three. And then after that, a 1205 to match the 1205 accessories set I already have. I'm going to go for condition first, rather than seek out the later, stronger motor. I can always put the stronger motor in from a wrecked/donor unit. I've rebuilt hundreds and hundreds of electric motors over the yrs.
Thanks again mercuryman, for the insight to the 1205 variants. I like your plausible theory about the maids using their own vacuums, while the home owner's Electrolux sat in the closet. My ex had a maid come in and use the Diamond J I bought in '84. She claims the maid ruined the vacuum and she bought a later variant not that long ago.
I know I want a 1205, but it has to be 'cherry' in condition at least. What I see are pretty beat-up. With three G's in use, I can afford to wait it out for a fine 1205 to come along.
This site is so cool....guys unabashedly talking about old vacuum cleaners. I mentored two boys until they aged out and they would hide information from me if there was a garage sale going on with old vacuums. They knew I would put the car into 4wheel drift if I saw old vacuums for sale.;-) I don't understand how guys grow out of vacuums....most boys I knew growing up where fascinated with vacuums. Not always running them as in cleaning ALL the rooms in a house, but how they worked, the attachments and the power involved. Guys talk about shop vacs, but not about house vacuums.
I only came into Electrolux later in life, because my mom always insisted on having a 'Rexair' for a canister model-if you could call it that. R2D2 looking things that sat on what looked like a hospital bedpan with wheels. Turn the thing on out of the water and it looked like the spinning disc would be happy to remove most of your hand. I was much more interested in taking apart her Hoover than the Rexair.;-)
Thanks again mercuryman, for the insight to the 1205 variants. I like your plausible theory about the maids using their own vacuums, while the home owner's Electrolux sat in the closet. My ex had a maid come in and use the Diamond J I bought in '84. She claims the maid ruined the vacuum and she bought a later variant not that long ago.
I know I want a 1205, but it has to be 'cherry' in condition at least. What I see are pretty beat-up. With three G's in use, I can afford to wait it out for a fine 1205 to come along.
This site is so cool....guys unabashedly talking about old vacuum cleaners. I mentored two boys until they aged out and they would hide information from me if there was a garage sale going on with old vacuums. They knew I would put the car into 4wheel drift if I saw old vacuums for sale.;-) I don't understand how guys grow out of vacuums....most boys I knew growing up where fascinated with vacuums. Not always running them as in cleaning ALL the rooms in a house, but how they worked, the attachments and the power involved. Guys talk about shop vacs, but not about house vacuums.
I only came into Electrolux later in life, because my mom always insisted on having a 'Rexair' for a canister model-if you could call it that. R2D2 looking things that sat on what looked like a hospital bedpan with wheels. Turn the thing on out of the water and it looked like the spinning disc would be happy to remove most of your hand. I was much more interested in taking apart her Hoover than the Rexair.;-)
electrolux-dude
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Maybe I can help
Hi, Real 1, This is Nathan, Electrolux-Dude. I have several 1205's, if you are still looking for one. Here's a picture of one that I have, I will be glad to service and clean it and check its motor over to make sure it's in top shape. Let me know if I can help!
Sincerely,
Nathan
Electrolux-Dude
Hi, Real 1, This is Nathan, Electrolux-Dude. I have several 1205's, if you are still looking for one. Here's a picture of one that I have, I will be glad to service and clean it and check its motor over to make sure it's in top shape. Let me know if I can help!
Sincerely,
Nathan
Electrolux-Dude
compactelectra
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Here's My 1205
Along with some of the rest of the line. Smart looking machine.
Along with some of the rest of the line. Smart looking machine.
Hi Nathan! Yes, I would be interested. I will email you and we can go over details and pics. For now, I'm just interested in the canister itself, not the accessories. Thanks!
NICE collection of vacuums, compactelectra. Very smart looking 1205!
Kevin
NICE collection of vacuums, compactelectra. Very smart looking 1205!
Kevin
floor-a-matic
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PN connector on hose
A nice innovation to plug the PN cord (has 2 outlets; 1 in front; 2nd in rear)
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?6151
A nice innovation to plug the PN cord (has 2 outlets; 1 in front; 2nd in rear)
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?6151
crevicetool
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Unless I missed it somewhere within the thread, hasn't Electrolux always made their own motors? I've got an Electrolux News magazine announcing the debut of the Super J (Sept. 1975) It goes to great lengths about how they had to re-tool all of production lines to accommodate the manufacture of the larger motor. At great expense too.
Fred - every time I see your trio of blue machines, I have to say WOW!
Fred - every time I see your trio of blue machines, I have to say WOW!
Well, I bought Nathan's 1205 he offered me and another 1205 on ebay. I'm gonna use the best body with the best motor...even if it means swapping parts. The same guy on ebay had a really nice looking turquoise G, but I already have two. Part of me says I can never have enough G's and another part of me say, "You're a chump."
Soon I'll post pics of my meager collection, including the shop vacs and the two Dirt Devils I rebuilt. I've been polishing the metal bits with; Luster Pad Metal Polish. We clean motorcycle chrome exhaust pipes with a product called Blue Job....yeah I know, bad choice of words, but I think it might work great on metal vacuum, non-painted parts..;-)
Nobody understands the addiction of this hobby but you guys.;-) Thanks for being here!
Kevin
Soon I'll post pics of my meager collection, including the shop vacs and the two Dirt Devils I rebuilt. I've been polishing the metal bits with; Luster Pad Metal Polish. We clean motorcycle chrome exhaust pipes with a product called Blue Job....yeah I know, bad choice of words, but I think it might work great on metal vacuum, non-painted parts..;-)
Nobody understands the addiction of this hobby but you guys.;-) Thanks for being here!
Kevin
Crevicetool....I've been told that when the Diamond Jubilee came out, it was the first use of a non in-house motor.
Floor-a-matic....I'm not following you on the hose (two plug-ins)?.....even after going to the link. This however, is one thing I deviate from with traditionalists. I buy the newest hose I can find with the most features. I paid like $80 for the hose I use on the G. Very modern with the pistol grip....I would have even gone with the one that had the on/off switch on the pistol grip if it had been listed for the G.
Those cloth/fabric hoses in time with a lot of use, just fail. I can see collecting them with their original hoses for display, but not for hard use. When I replaced the last cloth/fabric hose, my suction went up about a third I'm guessing.
Kevin
Floor-a-matic....I'm not following you on the hose (two plug-ins)?.....even after going to the link. This however, is one thing I deviate from with traditionalists. I buy the newest hose I can find with the most features. I paid like $80 for the hose I use on the G. Very modern with the pistol grip....I would have even gone with the one that had the on/off switch on the pistol grip if it had been listed for the G.
Those cloth/fabric hoses in time with a lot of use, just fail. I can see collecting them with their original hoses for display, but not for hard use. When I replaced the last cloth/fabric hose, my suction went up about a third I'm guessing.
Kevin
crevicetool
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OH oh, we have yet another one that has a thing for shiny metal. You may want to post pics of your motorcycles too! Nothin' better than getting blinded by the reflection of the sun by a Harley crossing your path. I take my vacuum parts to a motorcycle chrome/polishing shop when I'm restoring one of my machines. I was surprised just how interested they are in these old vacuums.
If you look on reply #19 in that link, floor-a-matic is speaking of that blue hose. The plug from the power nozzle can be inserted in from either the front or rear of that square junction block just above the hose handle.
Interestingly enough, the early 1205's also came with two connectors on the machine itself. The automatic connection through the hose coupling, and an additional one at the bottom of the bag/front cover. This would accommodate a pig-tail type hose. When repairing, that front cover is a nightmare of wires and connections. I don't know if we have ever solved the mystery why Lux did that.
I completely agree with you on hoses. The original hoses were beautiful both the fabric and some of the later saran covered examples. They really put a lot of effort into making them part of the "decor". I think my favorite is the Lux XXX hose in shades of gray, black and white. However I find them stiff, not so easy to use, heavy - and they broke down readily. Take a look at how the weave is splitting and breaking in that same picture(reply#19). Give me a good vinyl hose anytime.
Rick
If you look on reply #19 in that link, floor-a-matic is speaking of that blue hose. The plug from the power nozzle can be inserted in from either the front or rear of that square junction block just above the hose handle.
Interestingly enough, the early 1205's also came with two connectors on the machine itself. The automatic connection through the hose coupling, and an additional one at the bottom of the bag/front cover. This would accommodate a pig-tail type hose. When repairing, that front cover is a nightmare of wires and connections. I don't know if we have ever solved the mystery why Lux did that.
I completely agree with you on hoses. The original hoses were beautiful both the fabric and some of the later saran covered examples. They really put a lot of effort into making them part of the "decor". I think my favorite is the Lux XXX hose in shades of gray, black and white. However I find them stiff, not so easy to use, heavy - and they broke down readily. Take a look at how the weave is splitting and breaking in that same picture(reply#19). Give me a good vinyl hose anytime.
Rick
crevicetool
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Not to get off-topic here, but you gotta get one of these! A Lux model LX. This is a machine I restored. I polished the aluminium, but the side rails and the cordwinder were re-chromed at the bike shop.
crevicetool
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Rear view.
electrolux~137
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<span style="font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: medium;">That's a beautiful LX. Was the metal shop able to re-chrome the cord winder without removing the cord? Just wondering how that was done.</span>
crevicetool
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Nope. I disassembled the whole unit and took in only the two steel outer halves.
Now that's what I'm talking about, metalwise....LOL! That XXX is incredible-you should be proud. I'm just not that interested in models that far back....but I can certainly appreciate those of you that are! I think the G is as far back as I'd like to go, again, very subjective.
Certainly....I have a long way to go on my polishing efforts. Just a matter of elbow grease, but not to exceed the factory luster.
My MC BTW, is not a Harley. I looked at everything made back in '95 and decided on a Suzuki. The fit & finish on comparable Harley's at the time were indifferent-pre Evo motor. It was a good choice; still have the bike and it still 'blinds you' when it goes by;-)
Cervicetool; I went through that whole thread again and understand now about the two plug arrangement, thanks. Like we both agree, give us a modern hose to actually use, anytime!
Kevin
Certainly....I have a long way to go on my polishing efforts. Just a matter of elbow grease, but not to exceed the factory luster.
My MC BTW, is not a Harley. I looked at everything made back in '95 and decided on a Suzuki. The fit & finish on comparable Harley's at the time were indifferent-pre Evo motor. It was a good choice; still have the bike and it still 'blinds you' when it goes by;-)
Cervicetool; I went through that whole thread again and understand now about the two plug arrangement, thanks. Like we both agree, give us a modern hose to actually use, anytime!
Kevin
floor-a-matic
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Electrolux LX
Nice Lux LX there. The LX is one of my dream vacs; so are the XXX, AE, 1956 Thrift T & G.
Nice Lux LX there. The LX is one of my dream vacs; so are the XXX, AE, 1956 Thrift T & G.
