hi-loswitch98
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It's just so much easier, even if there is the (small) cost of bags.
Dysons Twice the Suction claim - is it true?
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madaboutsebo
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It is so much easier and cleaner too. I thought about the added cost of bags when I switched back but it's not that much to pay out now and again.
sebo_fan
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What annoys me no end is no matter what bagless brand that I have owned, whether it is Dyson, Hoover or Vax, dog hair forever gets stuck right at the top of the cyclone shroud which means the whole thing needs to be taken apart. Its all right if you have a bottom release trapdoor, but of little use when dust at the top gets stuck.
Morphy Richards (and a few others) have an ingenious turn dial scraper on their Endurance bagless cylinder vacs installed on the older paper pleated cone type filters that scrape against a mesh filter, thus loosening any clogged dust or hair off. However, the filters can still clog up just by sucking up a bit of paper and it gets stuck in between the dust chambers and the dust channel.
When owners are told that they no longer have to buy bags, only some who learn the hard way when it comes to dealing with clogged dust or clogged bins often return to vacs with bags. No wonder!
Morphy Richards (and a few others) have an ingenious turn dial scraper on their Endurance bagless cylinder vacs installed on the older paper pleated cone type filters that scrape against a mesh filter, thus loosening any clogged dust or hair off. However, the filters can still clog up just by sucking up a bit of paper and it gets stuck in between the dust chambers and the dust channel.
When owners are told that they no longer have to buy bags, only some who learn the hard way when it comes to dealing with clogged dust or clogged bins often return to vacs with bags. No wonder!
hi-loswitch98
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I don't even know why Bagless machines contest each other by comparing Bin Sizes, because I've always thought it was necessary to empty the Bin after each use. Whether it's a Dyson, Multicyclonic Vax or Hoover, or even a pleated filter machine, I've always emptied the contents into a carrier bag then put the bag in the bin.
Not that I have many bagless machines, mind.
Not that I have many bagless machines, mind.
sebo_fan
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Well, from memory the beauty of the old DC01 we had was that you could keep letting it go above the max fill line, or it might have been the DC04. That's the thing about Dyson, or other brands - if there's still suction at the end of the hose or the floor head, you're more than likely to keep using the machine rather than emptying it the moment it gets to the max fill line.
Owners and collectors are yet again, two very different sorts!
Owners and collectors are yet again, two very different sorts!
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Just to keep on the Bagless Subject, I bought the Zanussi AirSpeed Lite Pet a week ago. I have used it three times so far & whilst I have been impressed with it's Carpet Cleaning ability & the fact the filter is hardly dirty, the Suction isn't 'monstrous' in any way & the build quality is pretty poor. Also despite the fact it weighs 4.4kg (according to the box) I still find the machine hard to push & manouvere.
At least however for the price you get a proper cyclone system & not a pleated filter & it's performance was not bad on hard flooring, it didn't spit the bits everywhere.
At least however for the price you get a proper cyclone system & not a pleated filter & it's performance was not bad on hard flooring, it didn't spit the bits everywhere.
sebo_fan
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OH I know that one well. Sadly I didn't like the one I bought. Far too flimsy and a chore to get it to lie flat. Having to assemble most of it before usage wasn't impressive either.
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Zanussi_ZAN2011AZ__Review_6103355
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Zanussi_ZAN2011AZ__Review_6103355
hi-loswitch98
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I read your review before purchasing, you will see mine soon.
The only thing I like is the fact that it is Dual Cyclonic & the fact it has good Carpet Cleaning Ability. Other than that I find the machine horrid to use, hard to manouver, feels that it will break easily & not enough suction when using the tools.
Perhaps it will sell at the Car Boot or eBay.
The only thing I like is the fact that it is Dual Cyclonic & the fact it has good Carpet Cleaning Ability. Other than that I find the machine horrid to use, hard to manouver, feels that it will break easily & not enough suction when using the tools.
Perhaps it will sell at the Car Boot or eBay.
jaker15
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Hey...
We have the Zanussi here in the US, but it's called the Eureka AirSpeed. They are the worst. That spiral-looking thing around the bin? Yeah, it's just for decoration. It doesn't actually serve a purpose. You'd think that it added to the cyclonic action, but it doesn't. My 1954 Kirby 514 out-cleaned my dad's girlfriend's Eureka Endeavor NLS by a long shot. Just goes to show you that new machines aren't always better.
We have the Zanussi here in the US, but it's called the Eureka AirSpeed. They are the worst. That spiral-looking thing around the bin? Yeah, it's just for decoration. It doesn't actually serve a purpose. You'd think that it added to the cyclonic action, but it doesn't. My 1954 Kirby 514 out-cleaned my dad's girlfriend's Eureka Endeavor NLS by a long shot. Just goes to show you that new machines aren't always better.
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Other bagless machines
Airspeed One is flimsy, I gave it to my friend. I'm seeing them in thrift stores already! I ended up buying a Bissell Healthy Home to vacuum the breezeway (I prevaccum my breezeway with it before using my Rainbow) from the Ollie's display models for half off instead.
The Healthy Home isn't any great shakes either but at least it feels solid and is more maneuverable.
I'd take a Fantom Thunder over either.
I have a DC07 and DC33 on the Dyson side, I hardly use either anymore and am actually considering unloading them. In my opinion the root cyclone works better, I never had any issues with it clogging, I'd firmly hit the upper part of the cyclone with the palm of my hand when emptying. My issue is they smell dirty, I don't know why but I don't get that with the Fantom Thunder, perhaps it has to do with the difficulty of getting the upper part of the cyclone assembly clean or the smell gets caught in the pre motor filters. I immensely dislike the narrow brush roller it gets clogged too quickly with hair.
With any of them my wife can't empty them because of her asthma, I have to empty them outside the house. Thus despite the inconvenience of the water we've been using the Rainbows (D4 and E Series) much more often, and once you get used to it, it isn't that bad, plus my wife can empty them. I've used the newest Rainbow and it's hose suction (while not formally measured) seems as good or better than any Dyson I've ever tried.
So I've got two Dysons but rarely use them. They're not bad, they're not spectacular either. They don't roll as easily as say the Fantom, and even if they have more airflow and suction, the brushroller hurts their carpet cleaning performance.
Airspeed One is flimsy, I gave it to my friend. I'm seeing them in thrift stores already! I ended up buying a Bissell Healthy Home to vacuum the breezeway (I prevaccum my breezeway with it before using my Rainbow) from the Ollie's display models for half off instead.
The Healthy Home isn't any great shakes either but at least it feels solid and is more maneuverable.
I'd take a Fantom Thunder over either.
I have a DC07 and DC33 on the Dyson side, I hardly use either anymore and am actually considering unloading them. In my opinion the root cyclone works better, I never had any issues with it clogging, I'd firmly hit the upper part of the cyclone with the palm of my hand when emptying. My issue is they smell dirty, I don't know why but I don't get that with the Fantom Thunder, perhaps it has to do with the difficulty of getting the upper part of the cyclone assembly clean or the smell gets caught in the pre motor filters. I immensely dislike the narrow brush roller it gets clogged too quickly with hair.
With any of them my wife can't empty them because of her asthma, I have to empty them outside the house. Thus despite the inconvenience of the water we've been using the Rainbows (D4 and E Series) much more often, and once you get used to it, it isn't that bad, plus my wife can empty them. I've used the newest Rainbow and it's hose suction (while not formally measured) seems as good or better than any Dyson I've ever tried.
So I've got two Dysons but rarely use them. They're not bad, they're not spectacular either. They don't roll as easily as say the Fantom, and even if they have more airflow and suction, the brushroller hurts their carpet cleaning performance.
sebo_fan
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In the case of the Kirby being better than the Airspeed or any bagless upright for that matter, well its a case of dirty fan vs clean fan.
At the end of the day, dirty fan always cleans better, but I prefer clean air - Im happy that the carpet's dust and hairs get taken up. Anything else is a bonus. Without damaging the carpet at the same time.
At the end of the day, dirty fan always cleans better, but I prefer clean air - Im happy that the carpet's dust and hairs get taken up. Anything else is a bonus. Without damaging the carpet at the same time.
