Dysons Twice the Suction claim - is it true?

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ONE other aspect that Dyson seems to get away with other brands copying is weight - Dyson's idea of "lightweight" promises appears to be 7kg with some of their cylinder vacs.

When you consider that a twice as bagged capacity cylinder vac from any of the German brands can total 5kg, Dyson really must be thinking buyers aren't reading any of the specs or trying out other vacuums in store, despite their lengthy marketing campaigns.
 
It's like I've said before, Jon, Dyson's success lies purely in clever marketing and not in actual product. Dyson created a problem for people that next existed.

Generally speaking, most bagged vacuums do not lose enough suction to reduce performance so dramatically that the machine doesn't pick up. The machine will still pick up the same amount with a full bag as it does with an empty one.

And lets face it, who REALLY gave a flying fig about emptying a vacuum bag? We just got on with it. Bag, bin, done. Infact, disposable paper bags were added to vacuums to make them easier to empty. Prior to this, all vacuums had cloth shake out bags. And then we took the bags away again? Bit of a step back.

But Dyson's "Say goodbye to the bag" campaign tapped into a gap in the market. It planted a teeny tiny seed of doubt in consumers minds, that grew and grew into something so big that the market was completely taken by storm. DC01's were flying off the shelves, but they really weren't all that good. The suction is poor, the build quality isn't great, the brushroll is pathetic. There were other, cheaper, higher performing and better made machines available at the time from Hoover, Electrolux, Panasonic and Hitachi, but still the lowest performing and most expensive cleaner was the one that was selling. All due to marketing.

In credit to Mr. D, his very clever campaign worked. He's a very intellegent man and knows what he's doing. But sadly, his understanding of promotion hasn't meant his vacuums are actually any good.
 
Generally speaking, most bagged vacuums do not lose enough s

That is right. Especially with Miele, Sebo & Numatic Cleaners where you can fill the bag to the point where it feels like a brick & you will only loose a bit of suction. Plus, a triple-layer or more vacuum bag will act as a filter too.
 
So true Chris I've read comments like that before their very clever with their marketing! Something I've noticed more and more in recent years. I was one of them that got sucked into all that clever marketing (excuse the pun!).

I don't regret going back to bags or do it's emptying bins and washing filters. I've not noticed any dramatic lost in suction using a bag vacuum. The leaps in bag technology means bags filter better allow air to flow through them better and allow them to fill to the top so they are like a brick! Like you say bag bin done easy no mess quick and simple off you go again with a new bag to fill. Love the synthetic bags I'm using on my SEBO Felix.
 
I'm with you madaboutsebo, it's so easy just to take a bag out, put in the bin & put a new one in. Plus, bagless dust cups won't fit in my bin lid, so I have to physically remove the bin lid, which is a pain.

It was recommended by Hoover in their instructions that for Asthma Sufferers was to get a carrier bag & secure it halfway around the bin then empty. Sounds kind of pointless if you ask me because with a bag machine that's all done for you, & you don't have to empty the Vacuum after each use :)
 
Well, when you have to go down a flight of stairs & outside where the bin is unsheltered & it's blowing a gail? Eeer, no.

That's why now I empty them into a carrier bag then put into the regular bin but I still get into contact with dust.
 
It certainly is hi-loswitch98 less messy. I agree with you there pointless emptying a bagless bin into a carrier bag when a bag vacuum it's already done for you. Come to think I probably did that with my Dyson's on occasion if I didn't empty straight into the dust bin. Which made a mess of the dust bin too nice bit of airborne dust when putting other rubbish in yuk! Probably why I used a carrier bag! Pointless. That's true no emptying each time or more regularly than a bagged machine.
 
It is so much easier and cleaner too. I thought about the added cost of bags when I switched back but it's not that much to pay out now and again.
 
What annoys me no end is no matter what bagless brand that I have owned, whether it is Dyson, Hoover or Vax, dog hair forever gets stuck right at the top of the cyclone shroud which means the whole thing needs to be taken apart. Its all right if you have a bottom release trapdoor, but of little use when dust at the top gets stuck.

Morphy Richards (and a few others) have an ingenious turn dial scraper on their Endurance bagless cylinder vacs installed on the older paper pleated cone type filters that scrape against a mesh filter, thus loosening any clogged dust or hair off. However, the filters can still clog up just by sucking up a bit of paper and it gets stuck in between the dust chambers and the dust channel.

When owners are told that they no longer have to buy bags, only some who learn the hard way when it comes to dealing with clogged dust or clogged bins often return to vacs with bags. No wonder!
 
I don't even know why Bagless machines contest each other by comparing Bin Sizes, because I've always thought it was necessary to empty the Bin after each use. Whether it's a Dyson, Multicyclonic Vax or Hoover, or even a pleated filter machine, I've always emptied the contents into a carrier bag then put the bag in the bin.

Not that I have many bagless machines, mind.
 
Well, from memory the beauty of the old DC01 we had was that you could keep letting it go above the max fill line, or it might have been the DC04. That's the thing about Dyson, or other brands - if there's still suction at the end of the hose or the floor head, you're more than likely to keep using the machine rather than emptying it the moment it gets to the max fill line.

Owners and collectors are yet again, two very different sorts!
 
Just to keep on the Bagless Subject, I bought the Zanussi AirSpeed Lite Pet a week ago. I have used it three times so far & whilst I have been impressed with it's Carpet Cleaning ability & the fact the filter is hardly dirty, the Suction isn't 'monstrous' in any way & the build quality is pretty poor. Also despite the fact it weighs 4.4kg (according to the box) I still find the machine hard to push & manouvere.

At least however for the price you get a proper cyclone system & not a pleated filter & it's performance was not bad on hard flooring, it didn't spit the bits everywhere.
 
I read your review before purchasing, you will see mine soon.

The only thing I like is the fact that it is Dual Cyclonic & the fact it has good Carpet Cleaning Ability. Other than that I find the machine horrid to use, hard to manouver, feels that it will break easily & not enough suction when using the tools.

Perhaps it will sell at the Car Boot or eBay.
 
Hey...

We have the Zanussi here in the US, but it's called the Eureka AirSpeed. They are the worst. That spiral-looking thing around the bin? Yeah, it's just for decoration. It doesn't actually serve a purpose. You'd think that it added to the cyclonic action, but it doesn't. My 1954 Kirby 514 out-cleaned my dad's girlfriend's Eureka Endeavor NLS by a long shot. Just goes to show you that new machines aren't always better.
 
Other bagless machines

Airspeed One is flimsy, I gave it to my friend. I'm seeing them in thrift stores already! I ended up buying a Bissell Healthy Home to vacuum the breezeway (I prevaccum my breezeway with it before using my Rainbow) from the Ollie's display models for half off instead.

The Healthy Home isn't any great shakes either but at least it feels solid and is more maneuverable.

I'd take a Fantom Thunder over either.

I have a DC07 and DC33 on the Dyson side, I hardly use either anymore and am actually considering unloading them. In my opinion the root cyclone works better, I never had any issues with it clogging, I'd firmly hit the upper part of the cyclone with the palm of my hand when emptying. My issue is they smell dirty, I don't know why but I don't get that with the Fantom Thunder, perhaps it has to do with the difficulty of getting the upper part of the cyclone assembly clean or the smell gets caught in the pre motor filters. I immensely dislike the narrow brush roller it gets clogged too quickly with hair.

With any of them my wife can't empty them because of her asthma, I have to empty them outside the house. Thus despite the inconvenience of the water we've been using the Rainbows (D4 and E Series) much more often, and once you get used to it, it isn't that bad, plus my wife can empty them. I've used the newest Rainbow and it's hose suction (while not formally measured) seems as good or better than any Dyson I've ever tried.

So I've got two Dysons but rarely use them. They're not bad, they're not spectacular either. They don't roll as easily as say the Fantom, and even if they have more airflow and suction, the brushroller hurts their carpet cleaning performance.
 
In the case of the Kirby being better than the Airspeed or any bagless upright for that matter, well its a case of dirty fan vs clean fan.

At the end of the day, dirty fan always cleans better, but I prefer clean air - Im happy that the carpet's dust and hairs get taken up. Anything else is a bonus. Without damaging the carpet at the same time.
 

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