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keiththomas

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As I already have two Dyson Vacuum Cleaners, I was sadden to see he has now increased the prices of many towards over £300 and to £400.00 My next Vacuum upright will be a VAX Air Reach or a German Machine, yes they are upgraded but has become far too expensive even with the 5 year warranty. This arrogance could be a long fall from grace, look at Hoover how they ended. Remember his washing machine that died due to unreliability and insane prices
 
Same Prices Over Here

Taking inflation into account, Dyson prices have either stayed steady and decreased over the years. I went on archive.org and checked out Bed Bath & Beyond's prices for 2006. The TOL model at the time, the DC15, sold for $599, which amounts to $680.66 in 2012 dollars. Today you can buy the new TOL DC65 for $649.99 at the same store. In 2006, you could also buy a basic DC14 for $429, while today a basic DC40 is $399. 


 


Still way too expensive for my tastes, but that is why I buy refurbished. 
 
I agree - Dyson has got far too expensive, but he aint a billionaire for nothing you know!


Mr Dyson churns out cheap quality tat from Malaysia, and uses his UK customer base's love for him to rip them off for hundreds of pounds. A very clever con man, but still people fall for his marketing spin - especially the younger generation. But us older folk know better!
 
That's good to see Hilo, but a good many people still love him and are very loyal to his products, as they were impressed with his early models like the DC01 but are slowly learning that what  he makes today are not as rugged and reliable, and nor are they made in England. You only need to read the reviews on his products to find this out - where people comment "Its not a patch on my old DC07" or the likes. Miele vacuums are much better quality than Dysons, but still people waste their money on Dyson thinking bagless is best.
 
Inflation

As backintheback mentions, when inflation is taken into account, the price of the Dyson cleaners has not moved much. When launched in January 1998, the Dyson DC03 cost upwards of £279.99 depending on the model. Some were over £300. In today's money, £279.99 is around £418. So strictly speaking, there is is little change.

What has changed of course is that the price of all electrical goods has plummeted, and for numerous reasons. This had now altered our perception of what we are paying, and if we're talking about vacuum cleaners (as indeed we are) I'll compare like-for-like by mentioning that a Numatic Henry -a cleaner which year on year has always retailed for around £100- would have cost about £149 back in 1998, thus being 50% more expensive than it is today. So In a world where the cost of pretty much everything has gone up, electrical goods have gone down, which means that effectively Dyson cleaners have held their price.

Dyson will, of course, attribute this to the brilliance of the goods they sell; I, on the other hand, consider it far more to do with the excellent marketing and the way in which Dyson has managed to forge itself into a must-have "brand". Retailers do of course work out their own margins, but the biggest factor in all of it is the cost price of the goods. So the more Dyson charges the retailer, the less profit they make. In turn, those who get good cost prices are able to sell for less, meaning those who don't get such favourble cost prices make less profit, and even more so when they have to match their retail price against that of a bulk-buying competitor. Taking this to it's logical conclusion, as is the case with many goods in retail, sometimes it's cheaper and easier for a business to stop selling that product, especially if there is something else they can sell and make more on instead. It's never about retail prices, but profit. As an example, someone selling a £400 Dyson may well make less % profit than they would on selling a Henry.

I disagree that unreliability and "insane" pricing of the Dyson washing machine was behind the decision to suspend production, rather I always believed it was the lack of KNOWN reliability which put the fear into many consumers. When the washing machine was launched in 2001, the electrical marketplace was an entirely different world from how we know it today. In-store finance was plentiful; the economy was good; consumers were encouraged to take out more and more credit. Therefore paying for a Dyson washing machine was not quite an issue, given that one could choose how to do so, even going so far as to take longer to pay it off if needs be.

However, at this same time, the consumer was still looking for a machine which would stand the test of time, as we were still very much in a culture of getting white-goods repaired and expecting them to last a good deal of years. The reports of unreliability did not really filter through until the latter days of production of the washing machines. Like I said, it was the unknown reliability which caused the problem. Had the machine been a lot cheaper to buy, more consumers may have taken the plunge and invested in one. It wasn't that they objected to paying the price, more that they didn't really know what they were going to get back. We need to remember also that by the year 2001, the reliability of the vacuum cleaners was arguably very questionable, even if such matters did not affect sales.

Of course, having a washing machine which was purple & yellow didn't help matters either, not when so many UK consumers have the washing machine on show in the kitchen, though I appreciate that there was another model in white too. But the flagship machine was uber garish.

Now that Dyson appliances have been on sale for over 20 years, and now that a "brand" has been established, I think that same Dyson washing machine might well sell today, even if the credit terms might not be as plentiful as they once were. We have new generations of consumers who are too young to recall what it was like to buy a washing machine with a view to it lasting, and who are too young to know about the "Dyson Story". In a world were so-called 'Technology' is everything, the Dyson washing machine could well have stood a chance. That said, the core selling point of being able to wash clothes quickly may well be lost on the consumer of 2014, given that "quick wash" options are available on probably all automatic washing machines, and are favoured by consumers, irrespective of the thoroughness of such washing cycles.
 
When our old LG Washing Machine was purchased back in 2004 - it was £400, but it wasn't made in China & it is still going strong. How much would £400 be in todays money?
 
"Mr Dyson churns out cheap quality tat from Malaysia, and uses his UK customer base's love for him to rip them off for hundreds of pounds. A very clever con man, but still people fall for his marketing spin - especially the younger generation. But us older folk know better!"

But us really old people like me tend to get ripped off by thugs who ring our doorbells and gain entry to our homes, then rob us. My statement is no exaggeration. Nor are any of the other countless scams one hears about daily.

I have no particular like for James Dyson or his company, but in contrast to my last paragraph, I don't see how he "rips people off" by making goods which they choose to buy at the prices they choose to pay. No one forces people to buy his products. They do so because they like them.
 
Good post Benny!


One of the reasons I wouldn't have bought the Dyson Contra-Rotator was that I thought it was ugly, plain and simple. The idea of two drums rotating against each other might have been a sound one, but it proved a disaster for Dyson with so many of these machines failing and having to have the contra-rotator function disabled. As with many Dyson products, it was over-engineered and not able to withstand the test of time, and the punishment it would receive in the homes of ordinary families.
 
When reports came through that Dyson were disabling the contrarotor facility of their washing machine, I thought to myself it must have been a huge kick in the teeth for those who'd invested in one. It was, of course, the main reason for buying the machine in the first place.

However, reliability was not known about when the washing machines were actually on sale and of course the decision to disable the contrarotor came after production of the washing machines had ended.

Having said this, to a consumer who'd had a number of washing-machine breakdowns, the eventual reprogramming of the machine so that it worked like all the others must have come as some sort of relief. At least the machine now did something.
 
there will

only be a market for Dysons till the next fashion statement appears when that happens they are dead .In the uk the Dyson vacuum cleaner has become a fashion statement a must have just like the huge tv set giant american fridge it would only take someone to come along with a machine thats more atractive [not necsisarilly better ]and Dyson are fxxd .I can see some of you steadily going purple eyes bulging fact is you know its true
 
I know it's true Anthony. I agree with all you say.

But I cannot see a time in the next few decades when this will happen. I don't see how there would be enough money in it for anyone to try and do so.

A lot of things which don't currently happen in life result from their being insufficient money available to either make it worthwhile, or indeed to make it happen at all, rather than it not being possible.
 
I think Dyson are going to be with us for a fair few years yet, as they still have too many customers the world over for them to fail. James Dyson is more competent at marketing his items to the public than actually producing a reliable, sturdy product. He spends millions on advertising, and that cost has to be re-couped through the price of his products. The fact that Dysons are fashion icons makes them successful, as people always want the latest model!
 
I think also that Dyson is able to comfortably feed off the back of the current trend nay fever for constantly replacing "technology" fueled goods. Never in my lifetime have I seen such a frenzied attempt to change and upgrade anything. We have of course always had yearnings for things and a constant thirst to buy the latest, but I don't ever remember it being a practical reality in quite the way it is now.

If the recent explosion of computer and mobile phone technology had not occurred, I think the sales of new Dyson models would be much, much slimmer.
 
HiLo, Im unsure what you are trying to get at. An LG back in 2004 would have cost at the very least £450 and upwards. I know - we had one.

In todays money I'm not entirely sure how that would be calculated - even as helpful as Benny's inflation calculator is - current LG washers cost the same, so they've only, statistically speaking, fallen down in price by some £50.

As for Dyson - I don't dislike Dyson - and the prices of HIS vacuums aren't THAT different from the prices set by Miele, SEBO, Bosch and AEG.

The main difference there is that you are paying for better performance quality and quietness, healthier dust capture and better engineered for user friendliness and maybe aside from Numatic and SEBO - Bosch and Miele really know how to squeeze a bit more money out of you "as a bonus."

For a start, Bosch dust bags aren't available from every high street franchise, thus pushing the buyer to buy online only plus optional tools are scarce.

Miele on the other hand have tons of dust bag availability but at just 4 in a pack with an extensive family of (often not required, but they are there, anyway!) cost optional tools to tart up your vacuum.

I may be a happy owner of a Miele S8 Eco model, but I would never feel justified in paying £500 for the S8UniQ with LED lights that offer no real added function that I feel Im missing out on my "ordinary, non tarted up" Miele vacs.

At that price I'd like to see the entire body covered in Velvet like Miele have done with their S6 Red Velvet.
 
I bought my LG machine (WM14225FD) back in 2006, and it was £360 if I remember rightly, on promotion in Currys at the time. Its a fantastic machine - and at the time I was dubious about buying one as I had no experience of LG products. I was originally set on buying a Hotpoint Ultima washer and Ultima drier, but was sold on the beltless inverter drive of the LG as opposed to the older belt drive technology on the Hotpoint. It proved to be a good choice, as both machines are still running fine

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LG

I've heard some remarkable reports about LG appliances, yet in my own strange mind I cannot forget that LG is the brand which was previously known as "Goldstar". To say that was a budget brand would not scratch the surface.

Also, there has always been a sense of tackiness with some of the whitegoods, but that I realise is entirely subjective. The reports I've heard have always been good, and indeed I'm given to believe that LG TV & audio is one of the best brands available today.
 

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