Dyson DC02 Restoration
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titaniciscool
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So are the filters they take similar in any way? Like would a Dyson pre motor filter fit the Lightning?
super-sweeper
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Fantom And Dyson
Are a UNIVERSE apart, The Fantom's a quality machine and the Dyson is not!
In the early 1980s SC Johnson Wax was licensed the use of Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology, and produced a bagless commercial machine called the Vectron. In the Early 1990s, Iona of Canada began to produce this same model as the Fantom Thunder. The Thunder was a beast of a carpet cleaning, very well built bagless vacuum cleaner (Remember, This model was originally designed as a Commercial machine!)
The Thunder was a hit in America, it was the best Bagless on the market (In my opinion, It even beat Dyson!). Despite the Rainbow guy above going on about Fantom being in-efficient, The Thunder was an excellent vacuum. The Handle-Hose was a beloved first for the Vacuum market. Soon the cheaper Fury model was released, being slightly cheaper and less efficient than the Thunder. There was also the rarely-seen Lightning canister, the companion to the Thunder upright. The Cyclone XT (Which had a Stainless-Steel motor pre-filter in the top of the Cyclonic assembly!) appeared in the late 1990s. Dyson approached Fantom (Remeber-Fantom had been licensing Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology!) with his "M.E.M.A" Filter (Maximum Efficiency, Maximum Airflow). Dyson wanted Fantom to use these filters on their vacuums. Fantom said NO, As Fantom loved to sell expensive (But worth it for such a great vacuum!) HEPA filters. Dyson then pulled his licensing agreement, sending Fantom to produce cheaper, Single-Cyclone vacuums, The most memorable being the Wildcat. The Wildcat was all-around terrible. It clogged easily and filtered badly. Even worse, Westinghouse produced a CORDLESS Wildcat, Which also did not fair well. These cheap uprights, combined with problematic circuit boards in the Wildcat and Cyclone XT, plus Fantom not honoring warranty claims lead Fantom to bankruptcy in October 2001. The Thunder and Fury models were made to the end, With the Fury also being made in "Special Edition", And even "Special Special Edition" Models. These specials models, along with most Fantoms, Are considered Uncommon to rare by today's standards. After Fantom left the scene, Dyson appeared in America in 2002 with the DC07 models. America (For whatever reason!) took to Dyson the same way it took to the beloved Fantoms. Unfortunately, They did not find the same quality or performance they had with Fantom. Today Dyson is considered the status symbol of many American (And Britanica) homes. People prove their $$$$$ by blowing it on the latest Dyson model, then showing it off to neighbors and friends. Dyson then makes himself rich by charging insane amounts for these plastic status symbols, because people will pay that price. If people bought vacuums over quality instead of bagless status symbols, there would not be a Dyson today. Fantom is STILL the best Bagless <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Upright Vacuum Cleaner</span> The vacuum market has ever seen.
Fantom had a great run, it is a Company I've missed.
To answer your question, in no ways will the DC02 Filter fit the Lightning, that's like saying you can fit a Toyota Prius engine into a Ford Falcon (Dyson being the Prius!
).
Importing a DC02 would be insanity, and why would you go through the troubles of importing when there's better Fantoms sitting in thrift stores and vacuum shops somewhere?
Are a UNIVERSE apart, The Fantom's a quality machine and the Dyson is not!
In the early 1980s SC Johnson Wax was licensed the use of Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology, and produced a bagless commercial machine called the Vectron. In the Early 1990s, Iona of Canada began to produce this same model as the Fantom Thunder. The Thunder was a beast of a carpet cleaning, very well built bagless vacuum cleaner (Remember, This model was originally designed as a Commercial machine!)
The Thunder was a hit in America, it was the best Bagless on the market (In my opinion, It even beat Dyson!). Despite the Rainbow guy above going on about Fantom being in-efficient, The Thunder was an excellent vacuum. The Handle-Hose was a beloved first for the Vacuum market. Soon the cheaper Fury model was released, being slightly cheaper and less efficient than the Thunder. There was also the rarely-seen Lightning canister, the companion to the Thunder upright. The Cyclone XT (Which had a Stainless-Steel motor pre-filter in the top of the Cyclonic assembly!) appeared in the late 1990s. Dyson approached Fantom (Remeber-Fantom had been licensing Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology!) with his "M.E.M.A" Filter (Maximum Efficiency, Maximum Airflow). Dyson wanted Fantom to use these filters on their vacuums. Fantom said NO, As Fantom loved to sell expensive (But worth it for such a great vacuum!) HEPA filters. Dyson then pulled his licensing agreement, sending Fantom to produce cheaper, Single-Cyclone vacuums, The most memorable being the Wildcat. The Wildcat was all-around terrible. It clogged easily and filtered badly. Even worse, Westinghouse produced a CORDLESS Wildcat, Which also did not fair well. These cheap uprights, combined with problematic circuit boards in the Wildcat and Cyclone XT, plus Fantom not honoring warranty claims lead Fantom to bankruptcy in October 2001. The Thunder and Fury models were made to the end, With the Fury also being made in "Special Edition", And even "Special Special Edition" Models. These specials models, along with most Fantoms, Are considered Uncommon to rare by today's standards. After Fantom left the scene, Dyson appeared in America in 2002 with the DC07 models. America (For whatever reason!) took to Dyson the same way it took to the beloved Fantoms. Unfortunately, They did not find the same quality or performance they had with Fantom. Today Dyson is considered the status symbol of many American (And Britanica) homes. People prove their $$$$$ by blowing it on the latest Dyson model, then showing it off to neighbors and friends. Dyson then makes himself rich by charging insane amounts for these plastic status symbols, because people will pay that price. If people bought vacuums over quality instead of bagless status symbols, there would not be a Dyson today. Fantom is STILL the best Bagless <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Upright Vacuum Cleaner</span> The vacuum market has ever seen.
Fantom had a great run, it is a Company I've missed.
To answer your question, in no ways will the DC02 Filter fit the Lightning, that's like saying you can fit a Toyota Prius engine into a Ford Falcon (Dyson being the Prius!
Importing a DC02 would be insanity, and why would you go through the troubles of importing when there's better Fantoms sitting in thrift stores and vacuum shops somewhere?
singingrainbow
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Alex, you forget that the Johnson wax/Fantom thunder was designed by James Dyson himself.
I really hate to disagree with you because Fantom is one of my all time favorite brands (I have had the VHS tapes over the fantoms since I was very little, and naturally watched them hundreds of times). By any chance have you had the opportunity to use any of the non clutch dc07s? If not then, I agree that the clutch dysons are not the most efficient carpet cleaners (understatement of the century), but the non clutch machines used a traditional round brushroll which I find to work worlds better.
My take is this: The non clutch dc07 has better suction, filtration, tools, ergonomics, runs cooler, has a longer hose, and cleans at least as well as the thunder (at least the two that I own) and better than the fury (again, I LOVE the fury and own several, but this is what I have found in my own home).
The reason I would go through the trouble to import an "inferior" machine is because I would like my own little slice of world-changing vacuum history. I likely wont be able to do it for a long time, but I will try. Like it or not, dyson has permanently changed the vacuum world. That's not to say that I necessarily like it either.
Scott
I really hate to disagree with you because Fantom is one of my all time favorite brands (I have had the VHS tapes over the fantoms since I was very little, and naturally watched them hundreds of times). By any chance have you had the opportunity to use any of the non clutch dc07s? If not then, I agree that the clutch dysons are not the most efficient carpet cleaners (understatement of the century), but the non clutch machines used a traditional round brushroll which I find to work worlds better.
My take is this: The non clutch dc07 has better suction, filtration, tools, ergonomics, runs cooler, has a longer hose, and cleans at least as well as the thunder (at least the two that I own) and better than the fury (again, I LOVE the fury and own several, but this is what I have found in my own home).
The reason I would go through the trouble to import an "inferior" machine is because I would like my own little slice of world-changing vacuum history. I likely wont be able to do it for a long time, but I will try. Like it or not, dyson has permanently changed the vacuum world. That's not to say that I necessarily like it either.
Scott
super-sweeper
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DC07
I've owned the full-kit and regular DC07, Both with clutches. The full-kit's plastic busted everywhere, including the handle release and nozzle suction thingy. The Thunder has NEVER broken a plastic thing to my knowledge, along with whooping the DC07 and a DC14 in a cleaning competition!
Be careful with importing, be sure to put it to test against the Fantom Lightning
.
I've owned the full-kit and regular DC07, Both with clutches. The full-kit's plastic busted everywhere, including the handle release and nozzle suction thingy. The Thunder has NEVER broken a plastic thing to my knowledge, along with whooping the DC07 and a DC14 in a cleaning competition!
Be careful with importing, be sure to put it to test against the Fantom Lightning
singingrainbow
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I imagine there won't be much competition there!
The thunder sure was tough as it was originally designed for commercial use.
Do you own any amway vacuums by chance? Now THERE is a brute cyclonic vacuum!
Scott
Do you own any amway vacuums by chance? Now THERE is a brute cyclonic vacuum!
Scott
super-sweeper
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Amway,
Is the other Brute of the Bagless cleaners. I've been looking into buying one, When I do I'll put it up against the Fantom and Dyson!
Amway went to license Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology in the mid-1980s, only pulled out of the deal and essentially "Stole" the technology when they put the ClearTrak model intro production. Amway and Dyson eventually reached an agreement, and Amway was allowed to continue production.
Is the other Brute of the Bagless cleaners. I've been looking into buying one, When I do I'll put it up against the Fantom and Dyson!
Amway went to license Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology in the mid-1980s, only pulled out of the deal and essentially "Stole" the technology when they put the ClearTrak model intro production. Amway and Dyson eventually reached an agreement, and Amway was allowed to continue production.
singingrainbow
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Indeed, you will love it.
Have you read dysons autobiography?
Scott
Have you read dysons autobiography?
Scott
madabouthoovers
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So, theres us on this side of the Atlantic that want to own Riccar and Simplicity machines, and you over there that want Dysons galore, that we get going two a penny one Ebay over here, such as the old DC01 and DC02's.
I'd love a swap - you can have Dyson over there and we'll have Riccar and Simplicity over here, and you'd be welcome to Dyson!
I'd love a swap - you can have Dyson over there and we'll have Riccar and Simplicity over here, and you'd be welcome to Dyson!
super-sweeper
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trading,
A Dyson for a Riccar is like trading a Prius for a DeSoto!
And no, I haven't read the autobiography, and don't know if I would care too!
A Dyson for a Riccar is like trading a Prius for a DeSoto!
And no, I haven't read the autobiography, and don't know if I would care too!
titaniciscool
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Would the dirt bin from a DC02 fit the Lightning? That way you can have the better inner cyclone and more airflow....
singingrainbow
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Sadly no, from the pictures I have seen the bin connection is completely incompatible as the cyclone exit is designed differently.
Believe me, I have wondered about all this before!
Believe me, I have wondered about all this before!
super-sweeper
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Why on EARTH
Would you even TRY fitting a DYSON part to a FANTOM, or any vacuum for that matter! That poor Lightning would have the most shameful Cyclonic bin in the house!
The Lightning and Dyson DC02 are two completely diffrent designs. I don't know why you would want to fit a DC02 bin on the Lightning, It's already miles ahead of the DC02, or any Dyson for that matter!
Would you even TRY fitting a DYSON part to a FANTOM, or any vacuum for that matter! That poor Lightning would have the most shameful Cyclonic bin in the house!
The Lightning and Dyson DC02 are two completely diffrent designs. I don't know why you would want to fit a DC02 bin on the Lightning, It's already miles ahead of the DC02, or any Dyson for that matter!
dyson89
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DC02 motor variations
Thank you Beko 1987 for posting such a comprehensive breakdown of the DC02 have just completed this on my DC02 De Stijl apart from removing the motor and cable. Will shortly take apart the DC02 DAS and DC02 Clear I have too.
Does anyone know how many motor types were used in the DC02, YDK or panasonic etc?
My DC02 Clear needs a new motor but as it's incomplete I may use it as a static display model.
Thank you Beko 1987 for posting such a comprehensive breakdown of the DC02 have just completed this on my DC02 De Stijl apart from removing the motor and cable. Will shortly take apart the DC02 DAS and DC02 Clear I have too.
Does anyone know how many motor types were used in the DC02, YDK or panasonic etc?
My DC02 Clear needs a new motor but as it's incomplete I may use it as a static display model.
dyson89
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Thank you for the info
dyson89
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Dc02 pedal switches
Could someone please explain how to remove the 2 pedal switches on a DC02? For the power and cable reel. Also how do you get the big central button release out of it's bracket for getting the lid off the cyclone basically.
Could someone please explain how to remove the 2 pedal switches on a DC02? For the power and cable reel. Also how do you get the big central button release out of it's bracket for getting the lid off the cyclone basically.
eurekastar
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Thanks for posting the photos of the restoration! I love it! I'm glad to see that newer brands are still repairable too.
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