Dyson DC01 De Stijl X2

[sebo_fan]

I agree - a beater bar isn't all the be all and end all. I thought the brush bar on my DC01 was perfectly acceptable - I don't tend to analyse how the brush rolls - if it leaves my carpets looking clean and groomed, then I'd be happy. Also none of the brush rolls in Miele et al turbo brush heads have beaters - they're not all bad.

 

[jmurray01]

"if it leaves my carpets looking clean and groomed, then I'd be happy." So you don't care that the Dyson is leaving behind fine dust that you can't see ?

 

[sebo_fan]

Do you know, I really wish just wish you'd learn to stop responding unless you have actually owned a Dyson. The only bagless you owned is a Dustmanager. No wonder that's all you know as the basis of leaving dust behind- that I can understand as I had one of those horrid Hoovers before. And for your info JM, bagged vacuums leave dust behind too - especially the soft bagged Hoover uprights. We don't all want to know where your conversation is going to lead, because it will always return -like it normally does - to the machines you have on your profile.


 


The last time we went down this road before you went on and on about your blessed Hoover Ranger and if it wasn't that, it was a constant reflection to dirty fan uprights.


 

 

[jmurray01]

Oh I am the first to admit that I don't own a Dyson, BUT, I've heard it spoken many a time and PROVED on a YouTube video that Dysons leave dust behind.

If you don't want to accept that then that's your problem.

And did I mention my "blessed" Ranger ? No, I don't believe I did.

 

[turbo500]

I really wish just wish you'd learn to stop responding u

I completely agree! Although Jamie is not the only one guilty of doing this. There are many people out there notorious for judging the performance of a vacuum cleaner by watching a YouTube video. Anybody that bases their entire opinion of the performance of a cleaner on watching a video has absolutely no valid argument or point to raise regarding said cleaner. You cannot form an opinion on any cleaner until you have used it; preferably in your home environment. What works for one person might not work for somebody else. Also, as much as I love my vintage vacuums, they're not perfect. The softbags in particular. I don't think they leave much behind, but they do spew a lot more dust back out into the air than a hardbag with decent filters.

 

[jmurray01]

Chris, I am NOT saying I know the ins and outs of a Dyson from watching a video - ALL I said was that the video proved even a Junior picked up more fine dirt than a Dyson.

And for the record, I have used a DC01 so although I don't currently own one I do have some experience.

What is this, a créche ?

 

[turbo500]

What is this, a créche ?

insert well known expression regarding a pot and a kettle...

 

[jmurray01]

And in what way am I being childish ?

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh you don't have to mention the actual word "Ranger," JM -we all know what you'll be leading up to though.


 


Respectively, owning and using are two different aspects - but I do wish you'd make up your mind and stop shooting yourself in the foot. First you say you don't own a Dyson and then you judge the performance from another's video. I think we were here before with another thread regarding videos: http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?17310


 


On post 186116 you actually state "you need to actually be there and use it," in reference to actual ownership versus video judgement alone. Later in the same thread you admit you like to Dyson bash.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 

[parwaz786]

jmurray01

How was the dc01? what didn't you like and what did you like? My DC07 standard is my best ever upright with seals in the soleplate and the DC08 is my best cylinder i have ever used

 

[thekirbylover]

videos and vacuums

so chris, i cant say if the sebo x4's are good even though i have watched many reviews with people saying how good they are, and how they like the performance, and when alex did that video of the x4 test you, cant judge the performance of the machine thereofre you cant say alex's sebo did good

 

[turbo500]

^You can't entirely form a fully valid and informed opinion of any cleaner until you have actually use it in person. I've been caught out before with that and learnt the hard way not to judge a cleaner until I've used it. 


 


And hey, Dyson get hundreds of good reviews, doesn't mean I like em....

 

[jmurray01]

Talking of reviews, you know the PurePower has many good reviews on the Argos website ? Yet we know better and it astonishes me that people can actually praise the PP with all the faults we know about being collectors and enthusiasts.

 

[turbo500]

Bottom line is though, Jamie, that the Purepower has pretty reasonable pick up. If you ignore the fact that we are enthusiasts of vacuums and put yourself in the general consumers shoes for a moment, the Purepower isn't as bad as we make it out to be. It's only because we notice the design flaws and also compare with other vacuums. To your average vacuum buying public, the Purepower picks the mess up off the carpet. Job done. 

 

[jmurray01]

You have a point there.

The Dust Manager on the other hand, even the general consumer wouldn't be able to ignore the flaws in that!

 

[sebo_fan]

Buyers and Collectors - Two very different groups of peeps.

RE: Argos reviews.

Argos reviews are very much written by the common buyer and I tend to look at them if I'm buying a product from Argos before passing off my money. In terms of the PP vacs though Jamie, a lot of buyers just buy the machine because it has the "Hoover" name attached to it. Yet with other models, some buyers have put comments on that slate the particular model, citing that Hoover weren't the brand they thought they were buying, leading from their past glory.

Another review company, Reevoo seems to be used by Hoover UK on their own website but they never seem to check up on the actual content of the reviews, only using the average rating to promote the models - yet some of the Reevoo reviews are really quite damaging to some of the machines that Hoover have not done their homework in checking up with.

It does surprise me that Hoover don't learn from their reputation. Clearly although the Pure Power has its many faults, its bag design is far more efficient even if buyers do have to source bags. Buyers tend to live the mantra that if you buy a cheap bag less upright vacuum, it means no more buying bags - but then they find they have to either buy a replacement filter or a drive belt. End of the day they have to keep buying something for it. As Chris states quite clearly, buyers aren't that bothered in flaws - they buy a machine that is fit for purpose.

I have however said this before and will continue to do again - when I had to live with a Dustmanager in a rented property, a friend from the Yahoo Hooverland group advised me to get a bag holder grommet from either an old Pure Power or from a repair shop, thus chucking away the hopeless split bag less bin design and screwing in the bag holder to the back of the machine that just uses the Pure Power body. Result? A high suction powered upright vacuum able to use the dust bags AND maintaining better power, suction and ultimately the performance the design illustrates. The cost of the part was next to nothing either!

Albeit being noisy and a brute to push - an inherent design fault I hate about Pure Powers despite their height selection.

 

[thekirbylover]

heres mine