Dyson cyclone filtration, not that hot based on filters, are filters to blame?

[man114]

I use a DC33 and DC07 on occasion, recently purchased another Rainbow E Series from a thrift for $10 and was cleaning it today so I used the DC33. I've used it maybe 15-20 times since I last cleaned the filters around February. I'm not cleaning anything out of the ordinary, not getting an inordinate amount of dirt (if anything hardly anything). So I wash the filter and the water is black in the basin, like Rainbow water. Now the part I don't get is how come an 11 amp Fantom with only 2 cyclones has a clean white HEPA filter with equal use for such a long time? I think the increasing use of more cyclones without increasing airflow is actually hampering performance of the design. If filters restrict the airflow the design doesn't work as well. I'm half tempted to remove pre motor filters from one for experimental purposes. Anyone else notice this?

 

[super-sweeper]

Because the Fantom is the better vacuum!  

 


(Ducks and runs!)

 

[dys0nb0y]

I noticed that as well with my old Dc07 and dc33 but I did have have them as my everyday Hoover and used them to clean out other vacuum cleaners and their filter when I got my DC 41 are use that for cleaning out other vacuums and their filters and noticed the filter stayed spotless don't know why but the new Cyclone technologies is just fantastic

 

[niclonnic]

It's actually beneficial...

I haven't seen this happen with my DC07. If used to vacuum normal household debris, the filter stays spotless, and I've used that DC07 countless times. The filter only gets dirty if you vacuum up a ton of fine dust, such as carpet freshening powder.

Other companies have tried to implement dual-cyclonic technology (similar to the Fantoms) in their budget vacuums, but they've failed miserably. These are not efficient separation systems. My Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet's filter gets clogged with hair after a few uses, and my Eureka AirSpeed Unlimited Rewind's filter gets coated with dust VERY quickly. However, both machines have never lost suction.

So, the more cyclones a vacuum has, the better it can filter out microscopic dust, so that it doesn't reach the filter.

 

[super-sweeper]

It'll be 2025 and the Dysons will have 509 cyclones....and a puny motor to power them! 

 

[parwaz786]

"Fantom is the better vacuum"- How? Dyson is better in a lot ways you know.

And The later DC07's are de rooted, and the filters hardly get dirty. The New Cinetic Dyson wont even have a filter to wash, ever. It has 72 cyclones which never need to get washed out by even us lot because they are flexible.
The reason why the water was black is because you washed the POST motor filter, which shouldn't have any dust on it apart from Carbon dust which is from the motor. And atleast the Filters are trapping the dust, and not releasing it into the air.

 

[super-sweeper]

You do realize Fantom has a HEPA exhaust filter. I'm not starting another Fantom Vs. Dyson war.

 

[parwaz786]

YEah I know Fantom has a HEPA post motor filter

 

[man114]

The pre motor filter was filthy in both the DC33 and DC07, I maintain both vacuums accordingly. I don't believe the motors are powerful enough, with those filters in those models, to efficiently separate the dirt in the cyclone assembly, you are welcome to disagree but pit either of those against the 11 amp Fantom Domestic/Thunder and you would be surprised. Even without a pre motor filter the Fantom HEPA filter stays clean for months. I'm not attempting to start a vacuum war of any sorts, but merely surprised by this considering I don't frequently use these machines. I don't think the root cyclone or lack of it has anything to do with it. Actually a filterless Dyson might work better for those reasons.