turbo500
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Tom, on the subject of Rainbow, can you tell me if the Rainbow has any filters? Is there a filter up inside the machine, above the water tank at all?
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Out of all the Dysons I have owned, only one died of plaster dust. The DC05. I have vacuumed up plater with a DC04, DC14, DC24, DC25, DC08, DC05 and DC01. All survived except from the 05.
With the dc08, it had been used for plaster dust, saw dust, nails, screws etc and been bashed around with NOO filter washes. I got annoyed with the filter getting dusty, so I took the filter out and vacuumed. The post motor filter captured ALOT of the plaster dust. The motor never died. Then the machine got tilted up when I pulled the hose, the bin was upside down, the dust went through the shroud, through cyclones and into the motor. Still never died. Then I left it in the garden for 4 months. In snow and rain it just sat there. Then I took it home and tried it. The only thing broken was the switch. I out in another one and turned it on. The motor still worked as expected from a dyson...
With the dc08, it had been used for plaster dust, saw dust, nails, screws etc and been bashed around with NOO filter washes. I got annoyed with the filter getting dusty, so I took the filter out and vacuumed. The post motor filter captured ALOT of the plaster dust. The motor never died. Then the machine got tilted up when I pulled the hose, the bin was upside down, the dust went through the shroud, through cyclones and into the motor. Still never died. Then I left it in the garden for 4 months. In snow and rain it just sat there. Then I took it home and tried it. The only thing broken was the switch. I out in another one and turned it on. The motor still worked as expected from a dyson...
sptyks
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The new Big Ball may not have any filters in it, but I'll bet there will be lots of service calls because people will will ignore the warning label and suck up plaster dust and the cyclones will frequently get clogged.
Rainbow
Great points about Rainbow. I like the looks of the new Dyson machine but it does grind my gears that Dyson claims to be the first. And no, The rainbow has no filter above the water basin. The separator is Rainbow's magic compiment. Machines since the original E Series do have post motor filters.
Great points about Rainbow. I like the looks of the new Dyson machine but it does grind my gears that Dyson claims to be the first. And no, The rainbow has no filter above the water basin. The separator is Rainbow's magic compiment. Machines since the original E Series do have post motor filters.
hvrvaclvr
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Dyson also claims "That no other vacuum expels cleaner air" and "The Dyson Cinetic Big Ball vacuum has whole machine HEPA filtration. No other vacuum
expels cleaner air. Dyson Cinetic™ science captures allergens and bacteria. And the whole system is engineered to be completely sealed – ensuring no dirty air escapes" and "By capturing the dust that clogs all other, Only Dyson Cinetic science doesn't lose suction."
I don't what to think of those claims, because they're saying their other vacuums that they brag about never losing suction and having the best filtration do lose suction and do expel dust and other allergens.
expels cleaner air. Dyson Cinetic™ science captures allergens and bacteria. And the whole system is engineered to be completely sealed – ensuring no dirty air escapes" and "By capturing the dust that clogs all other, Only Dyson Cinetic science doesn't lose suction."
I don't what to think of those claims, because they're saying their other vacuums that they brag about never losing suction and having the best filtration do lose suction and do expel dust and other allergens.
turbo500
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Sorry Josh, but what are you trying to get at? Nobody has said you CAN suck those things up with a Rainbow? People were making the point that Dyson are claiming that this is the worlds first filter free vacuum and that's not true - Rexair/Rainbow have been going since the 30's.
Just like when the DC01 came out, Dyson claimed it was the worlds first bagless vacuum, but that wasn't true either....Rexair & Filter Queen were around long before Dyson.
Just like when the DC01 came out, Dyson claimed it was the worlds first bagless vacuum, but that wasn't true either....Rexair & Filter Queen were around long before Dyson.
sebo_fan
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The other thing that puzzles me is that if Dyson suggest NOT picking plaster up with it, why do it? It could invalidate the warranty surely?
turbo500
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^yes but nobody said you could! It's a flaw to owning a Rainbow, but just because that cleaner has a flaw doesn't mean it's ok for another to do so. And people know that, hence nobody disputed it. What people are correct with is Dyson's false "we are the first" claim, but you can't justify that by making another argument about a different factor altogether, that just doesn't work.
stricklybojack
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I am reminded the problem with..
"Wet dust doesn't fly" every time I clean a bagless, it is hard to get dust wet!
I believe this is why Rainbow added a Hepa after filter.
That said I love the idea of humidifying while you vacuum. One of the rarely mentioned
pluses of water filtration designs.
"Wet dust doesn't fly" every time I clean a bagless, it is hard to get dust wet!
I believe this is why Rainbow added a Hepa after filter.
That said I love the idea of humidifying while you vacuum. One of the rarely mentioned
pluses of water filtration designs.
hi-loswitch98
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Tayyab, I used to watch that Inforercial all the time! The original H2O Vac looked like a massive bubble to me! That must have been at least 10 years ago now though. *sigh*
IKR! 
I loved these 
and I remember when I was a kid there was the dc14 in QVC when it came out
Vac n sweep rechargeable vacuum on best direct
Shark transformer Vax
Star life cyclonic vac
And ironically, that H2O vacuum promoted by assistant Nancy Sullivan, appeared in TV show Drake and Josh! Nancy Sullivan is the mother if Drake and Josh and they had a H2O vacuum, then some blue a Eureka Whirlwind bagless upright with a duster
LOVELY LOVELY MEMORIES AS A KID!!!
I loved these and I remember when I was a kid there was the dc14 in QVC when it came out Vac n sweep rechargeable vacuum on best direct
Shark transformer Vax
Star life cyclonic vac
And ironically, that H2O vacuum promoted by assistant Nancy Sullivan, appeared in TV show Drake and Josh! Nancy Sullivan is the mother if Drake and Josh and they had a H2O vacuum, then some blue a Eureka Whirlwind bagless upright with a duster
LOVELY LOVELY MEMORIES AS A KID!!!
henrydreyfuss
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Dat ball and dem cones..
The new upright looks really interesting! The most exciting thing to me is the brushbar that looks superior to both the DC41 and DC65 (it looks like the UK's DC41 MKII's gap-free brushbar), so I can't wait to see how it cleans. The Cinetic Science is intriguing, but their cyclone packs on their current models are already so efficient, I'm more excited about the likely improvement in carpet-cleaning performance.
I wonder why the US models don't get the 'Max' slider that's on the UK models (does Dyson think Americans are so lazy we won't bend down to flip a switch?).. Just like theirs, the new TOL ball uprights love to glue themselves to hard flooring.
I recently acquired an inexpensive, but very broken-in DC41, and using it has revealed some design flaws that could be an issue across the entire ball upright range. The 'ball halves' have a bearing in their center, but also ride on very small wheels under the vacuum, and on both sides the wheels had completely seized up (I think moisture got into the ball itself). As a result, the vacuum rolls very rough when not in use. Only one half of the ball is easily removable to lubricate the wheel, and without special tools the other tiny wheel is hard to access. Dyson occasionally quietly addresses design flaws, so maybe this flaw was addressed in development in the Big Ball model.
Can't wait to try it! I hope it's a home run, like the DC59.
The new upright looks really interesting! The most exciting thing to me is the brushbar that looks superior to both the DC41 and DC65 (it looks like the UK's DC41 MKII's gap-free brushbar), so I can't wait to see how it cleans. The Cinetic Science is intriguing, but their cyclone packs on their current models are already so efficient, I'm more excited about the likely improvement in carpet-cleaning performance.
I wonder why the US models don't get the 'Max' slider that's on the UK models (does Dyson think Americans are so lazy we won't bend down to flip a switch?).. Just like theirs, the new TOL ball uprights love to glue themselves to hard flooring.
I recently acquired an inexpensive, but very broken-in DC41, and using it has revealed some design flaws that could be an issue across the entire ball upright range. The 'ball halves' have a bearing in their center, but also ride on very small wheels under the vacuum, and on both sides the wheels had completely seized up (I think moisture got into the ball itself). As a result, the vacuum rolls very rough when not in use. Only one half of the ball is easily removable to lubricate the wheel, and without special tools the other tiny wheel is hard to access. Dyson occasionally quietly addresses design flaws, so maybe this flaw was addressed in development in the Big Ball model.
Can't wait to try it! I hope it's a home run, like the DC59.
manchestervacs
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Four hundred and sixty quid?
I think I'll keep my DC14.
I think I'll keep my DC14.
<p>so i have been doing some research and i found a place that has already reviewed it and it gets a very good rating and they say it's the best dyson they have ever reviewed. But a bit of a review i quite agree with but the last bit about the kenmore and miele i dont hundred percent agree with that part as i've had the miele and found to have a few problems but i'm sure the miele has fantastic performance but i think overall the dysons is better that's just my opinion.and the part they say the kenmore matches or beats the dyson but i think the dyson does cleaning carpets and half hard floors better but the kenmore is a lot better with large particles like rice and pasta. Ps i don't agree with a pet hair test hundred percent as other places say it was quite well get and other places say it doesn't but for mybfrom personal experiencthe new one that we have it fantastic on pet hair.
http://vacuums.reviewed.com/content/dyson-cinetic-big-ball-animal-allergy-vacuum-cleaner-review
http://vacuums.reviewed.com/content/dyson-cinetic-big-ball-animal-allergy-vacuum-cleaner-review
vintagerepairer
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The thing about the filters is that as they gradually get clogged so performance drops and many consumers by then will be itching for a new vacuum cleaner anyway, so it's a good way to make a cleaner require replacement. Here, Dyson has spent a lot of money desining a vacuum that does away with filters.
Therefore they must also have designed a new way for the cleaner to break down.
Therefore they must also have designed a new way for the cleaner to break down.
