Dyson Canisters

[sbnhvlvr]

Looking to get a Dyson Canister have read reviews on the DC26 City Multi-Floor and DC39 Animal Ball, do any of you own either one and which do you recommend. Like the size of the DC26 but it only has an airwatt rating of 160 while the DC39 Animal has an 275 airwatt rating. Consumer reports gives the DC26 an 31 rating and the DC39 Animal an 51 rating. I have 4 cats, a dog, and hard floors to keep clean.

 

[gsheen]

Go for the dc39, I absolutly love them , I think it is the best dyson canister they have made, The animal trigger head rival upright vacuum cleaners. My customers Love them, I have had one for about 8 months now.


 


I have he dc26 canister too but that machine is designed for smaller apartments, I would go for the DC39 ,,,,, The dc29db animal is also worth a look if you guys get it there.


 


Gareth  

 

[rolls_rapide]

In the photo...

Is that fluff wrapped around the turbo brush?

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson canister

Gareth,
Nice looking machine. Is the mobility of the machine provided by the small wheels on the undercarriage or does the ball provide the mobility?
I have the DC23. Did they add any length to the hose or electric cord on this model? It looks like it may be lighter weight than my DC23 too.
They had a nice presentation on QVC last week of this machine. Always looking to see what they changed on the lastest Dyson!

 

[singingrainbow]

I second that. After owning my dc39 for about 3 months now, I can honestly say that it's one of the best bagless canisters I have ever used. The turbo tool rivals many uprights for carpet cleaning. I would avoid the dc26, with all those pets you would need to empty it several times each use.


Gareth, we do not get the dc29 here, the dc39 and dc26 are all we curently have sadly. Also, I know what you meant now from your original post about the 39 when it came out, and I agree with you completely.


Rob, the hose is not any longer than the dc23 but it is anchored differently so it seems about a foot longer. The cord is about the same length to. As for the ball, it's just for looks because the small wheels provide the steering and it's a bit lighter too.


Quite frankly, I never use my dc23 anymore because the dc39 is so much better in almost every way!
Scott

 

[madabouthoovers]

We have many Dyson models here in the UK. Here is my take on it: If you only have hard floors and no carpeting, then you dont need the turbine head - this is an expensive addition that is for people with short pile carpets that have pets. Anything with long hair will clog up the revolving brushbar anyway as it is not electrically driven. The Dyson canisters do not have variable suction control so using the tools on cutains and soft furnishings can be a challenge, and the main hose is not all that long for reaching high ceilings etc
The Dc26 is is tiny cleaner for people with small flats (apartments) and whilst it would be ideal for hard flooring you will indeed be emptying the canister several times per session if you have a large area to clean and many pets. Suction power is not so critical on hard floors though as it is on carpets, so I would say to get the DC39 with standard head called the DC39 Multifloor. The only difference between the Animal and Multifloor is the price and the fact that the animal model has turbobrush for carpeting.
If you have never had a Dyson before, they are quite noisy cleaners, especially the DC39 as it has 280 Airwatts of suction.
If you must have a bagless canister, then yes, the Dyson is the best to go for as they do multicyclonic best. They also come with a 5 year warranty here in the UK, dont know about the US though, and with the Dyson, it is highly probable that you will need to use the warranty as well, as the build quality is not as good as Miele or Sebo. Motors are good, but will not do well and will blow prematurely if filters are not cleaned as stated on the guidelines. Dysons, being bagless, are fairly high maintenance cleaners and will smell doggy in use if the canister and cyclone assembly is not cleaned out properly where dogs live on the premises.

 

[gsheen]

rolls rapide f


That is bits of cotton from a progect my son was doing at the time, There was cotton and foam all over the carpet. I should have cleaned it before I took the pic. I thrashed this machine before we launched it in SA, ( In SA we most people have cleaning lady's who are well known for destroying anything, I had  kirby in were the cleaner head's one side was broken OFF, brush roll included )  I normally don't like canister vacuums and prefer uprights but this thing is amazing, in my opinion its the best canister I have ever used, I hate dragging a vacuum behind me but this one is great. 


 


I also like the fact that the hardfloor tool has a parking tab( dc23 didn't ) that means you can lug it around on the back of the machine like on the photo. 


 


The trigger on the handle is one of those dyson idea's and you wonder why no one ever came up with that before. its so convenient when cleaning a house with carpets and hardfloors or with rugs on the hardfloor.

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson canister

Thanks for the update Scott.
It sounds like it has positive improvements over my DC23. As posted by Steve,my DC23 is loud but about what I expected in the price range. Of all my machines,nothing comes close to my Miele for a quiet motor.
I have never had any problem with my Dyson leaking dust but it does have the "doggy" smell.

Scott-Thanks to the Texas vac Convention and Ken Bashford,I have been so happy with the new Rainbow and it's constant air flow,suction and design that everything else seems like I am just pushing and rearranging the dust or tring to keep the smell and leaking dust from sifting back into the room.
It made such a difference in the asthama and allergies.
The new Dyson sounds good!

 

[madabouthoovers]

The problem with the doggy smell comes with the Dyson because the pet dander and other debris sticks to the inlet area to the cyclones and cant be cleaned properly without dismantling the cyclone assembly. This area is the area behind all the tiny holes around the inner shroud inside the bin. You'd be surprised if you could see how much smelly crap builds up here, and also if you remove the clear bin and look up the central tube from the bottom of the cyclone assembly you will se an awful lot of buildup by the exit holes at the bases of the cyclones. To get rid of this I usually wash out the whole cyclone assembly with a water jet from a hose and also remove the inner shroud by dismantling the cyclone assembly. Dysons arent too bad of you dont have dogs, but dogs are the culprits in most cases for very smelly cleaners, bagged or bagless. Bagged are easier to clean as you just change the bag and filters. Bagless you pay a premium for not buying bags and cleaning them is a dirty smelly process.

 

[suckolux]

Have the dc39 animal plus, LOVE it. Moves around in tight places well, the hand controls for the suction bleed and to stop the turbo brush, very clever, tools work well, perfect for my place anyway!

 

[gsheen]

doggy smell,

having 11 cats and 3 dogs my dysons have never smelt of dog, however the minute ai use a sebo or miele even wit the charcoal filter the machine stinks of dog in a few uses

 

[sebo_fan]

I had the DC26 City Vac and I just couldn't get on with it - worse for the fact that for that model alone, Dyson's other tools don't fit on it, so you're stumped if you want to buy the accessory kit or anything else other than optional turbine tools that Dyson sell for it, exclusively. It also has a tiny bin capacity and fills up pretty quickly.

 

[gsheen]

Sebo fan , I have a UK spec dc26 and its tools are all interchangeble with other current dyson canisters and uprights, It has the same tool connection as the 


 


dc 19T2,19db,22,23,24,25,27,29,32,33,38,39,40,41.


 


All of the attachments fit including the hard flor tool, turbine head, mini turbine head, uptop tool, soft dusting brush,stubborn dirt brush

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson cansiter

Gareth
I will agree with you on this point. My new Miele started smelling after ony a few uses. I only have a slight odor with the Dyson when it is first turned on. I thought it just might be because it sets so long between use.
My attachments are interchangable on my Dyosn upright and cansiter. I like the fact that you are not forced to buy double sets of tools. I have never used a DC26.
Being a collector,I may not be a good judge of the Dyson's having an odor problems because I always put my Dyson away with an empty bin and it as seen very little real use.
I am still a little confused-what is the point of the "ball" if it is not used for the mobility of the machine?
Also would you say that this machine would have better air flow with the change in the hose connection?
A very interesting machine to be sure!
Thanks Gareth for the information.

 

[singingrainbow]

Rob, to be honest the ball is more or less a gimmick to try and tie the ball canisters in with the ball uprights despite the fact the ball has no real purpose on the canisters.


After all, many consumers would not "get it" if it didn't have a ball.


Scott

 

[earthling177]

Dyson's spiel is that the ball makes it easy to steer around furniture and corners, which *is* one of the problems with canisters in general and the DC23 in particular, it keeps getting stuck on things. Supposedly, between the triangular "guide" under the cyclone and the articulated joint and ball, the canister just "folds" and steers past obstacles. Also, the ball is supposed to have more acoustic insulation than the previous canisters, making the machine quieter.

But I have no first-hand experience with it, so I'll let people who have used it report back.

Speaking of first-hand experience, one of the things I liked about the DC23 is that it can be easily used to vacuum stairs because the notch under the cyclone makes it nest on the steps, making it very stable. I was wondering if people who have used the DC39 could report if it has a similar feature or if it's a pain in the rear to vacuum staircases with it?

Thanks in advance,
-- Paulo.

 

[Sanifan]

Well, I have the DC23. It was my first real vacuum cleaner and got me interested in this whole world of vacuums.

My girlfriend and I loved it. It cleaned really well. Worked fantastically on the kind of carpet she had. And it filtered really well, too. The air seemed so clean after vacuuming with it.

Since then, my daily driver has been a Tristar CXL. We moved to a house with mostly hard floors and the straight suction works well.

After having tried out a lot of different vacs, now, I have to say the DC23 IS very loud. I took to wearing hearing protection with it. And compared to the Tristar, the Dyson does have a somewhat clunky feeling plastic hose that feels just a little too short. The plastic wheels feel rattly on the hard floors, as well. Not as nice as the little rubber wheels on the Tristar. I pretty much stopped using the Dyson as the Tristar is so much more bearable noise-wise.

Still, I'm very intrigued by the DC39. Sounds like a dream canister vacuum. Is it as loud as the DC23? Could be a deal breaker if you like quieter vacuums. Hopefully one of these days I will find a really good deal on one. Seems like a winner!

 

[vintagerepairer]

Regarding the new trigger on the handle of the Dyson to switch the brush on and off; Gareth, you said you wonder why no one came up with the idea before, well, I don't wonder that, and I don't say this to be pedantic, I say it because it is how I feel. Dyson has made little secret of the fact that designing this feature took a lot of work, and that of course costs money. The cost is then added to the price of the cleaner. You clearly like the feature, and that's great. I don't dislike it, but I have to say I never found switching cleaning heads too much of a deal. Even though that new Dyson tool can have the brushes switched off, I would never use anything but a floor tool with fixed bristles to clean a hard floor. I still maintain that brushes are far better for a floor than a smooth surface, but that is only an opinion.

I have always maintained that the greatest difficulty I have had when using any vacuum cleaner is in the moving of large furniture, not the changing of attachment. I feel that James Dyson likes to make up problems to solve. Until someone can come up with something which dispenses with the need to do any cleaning at all, everything else is only going to be second best or less. All Dyson does is pick out a mere niggle and then tries to overcome it in his own unique way.

It is the same with the balls on his cylinder cleaner. A 2.5m hose attached to a DC19 (which I actually did once) would have solved the problem of not being able to move freely with the cleaner, as a hose of that length is short enough to be able to pull the cleaner easily, but long enough to get around furniture in the average room in a home, without too much difficulty. I noticed the DC32 had an incredibly short hose. I know someone who has one and she hates it because the hose is just not long enough to use for high-level cleaning, even with the extension tubes attached.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I found this to be the problem with the DC19 T2 Animal I had for a short while, the hose was too short and even with the wand attached and crevice nozzle, it wouldnt reach the ceiling to dust for cobwebs etc. I found the DC19's wand to be all plastic and quite flexible especially at the joint of the handle to the tube. The DC19 was noisy and even more so with the turbo brush. I have read that the DC39 produces 83dB sound level, but reading many reviews written about it, no-one seems to complain about the noise being excessive. The DC07 was by far the most noisy Dyson, so I would hope they had improved on the noise level.
Having also read the user guide for the DC39 it says that the filters should be washed every month. With the older cleaners it was every 6 months. As the pre motor filters are what harbours a lot of the doggy smells, this is a good idea, as I always thought the older schedule of cleaning the pre-motor every 6 months was far too long. SOme of the DC07 models I have bought to refurb have stunk of dog something chronic from having the filters neglected.

GSheen - I would hope your Dyson does not smell of dog as you are a vacuum person, and you would maintain your cleaner properly and wash it as you are supposed to, that way it should not smell of dogs. However, many people dont follow the instructions and dont clean the filters as they should, and when the cleaner gets a bit older and the dirt and smell builds up, the cleaner will smell. Yes, indeed bagged cleaners do smell of dogs too, even with the charcoal filters - but buying a Dyson Animal cleaner in the hope to avoid this smell, you must clean it as specified - Gsheen, how many people do you suspect dont follow the guidelines and bring cleaners to you for loss of suction all clogged up with the filters never washed from day 1 of owning the cleaner? Many people just dont want to be bothered with dirty smelly filters on a bagless machine, and sell them on EBay when they wont suck up any more, meaning bargains to be had for people like you and me.

 

[sebo_fan]

Whoops - it wasn't the DC23, it was the City Vac DC26 - sorry! At the time of purchase I wasn't able to get other tools for it. It may have improved now. I found the DC26's main problem was the larger hose - it made managing and in performance, difficult. The whole experience was also fairly expensive for what the DC26 brings to the table. See review if you wish.



http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/vacuum-cleaner/dyson-dc26-city-multi-floor/1566213/

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson canister

Scott,
Many thanks again for clearing the "ball" issue up. I had watched the presentation on one of the home shopping channels and they kept referring to the fact that it was like the "DYSON BALL UPRIGHT" technology but I could not undertand how it would work. I noticed one of the show hosts got it caught going around a corner and when they demonstrated it cleaning high, it is always JUST over their heads.
I also notice that when they empty the bin they NEVER use any real dirt that would naturally go into the air and on eveything in the room in reality.

I think the Dyson has some nice features and I like their tools,high suction but they are not for everyone and sure would not advise one for someone who has allergies or asthma and will be emptying the dust bin.

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson canister

Scott,
Many thanks again for clearing the "ball" issue up. I had watched the presentation on one of the home shopping channels and they kept referring to the fact that it was like the "DYSON BALL UPRIGHT" technology but I could not undertand how it would work. I noticed one of the show hosts got it caught going around a corner and when they demonstrated it cleaning high, it is always JUST over their heads.
I also notice that when they empty the bin they NEVER use any real dirt that would naturally go into the air and on eveything in the room in reality.

I think the Dyson has some very nice features and I like their tools,high suction but they are not for everyone and sure would not advise one for someone who has allergies or asthma and will be emptying the dust bin.

 

[gsheen]

Rob 


 


you say that but judging the condition of the miele's we see in our wrokshop for repair and servicing I think that you will get more dust on your hands trying to remove the miele bag than anything else. Especially if it uses the new material bags, They leak dust like mad. 10 years ago when a miele cam into ort shop whit the paper bags the inside of the machine was clean and clear, Now with the high filtration bags the machines are always filthy and dusty.


 


It does make perfect sence though. Old paper bags a habit of clogging but they did this because they stpped the dust. If you think about it the new bags are high filtraton, meaning they don't clogg asmuch but the only way a bag will breathe easier is by making the pours bigger so they do not clogg. I have yet to see one of these high filtration bags work properly. 


 


Mad about hoovers


If you still think that Miele build quality is better than dysons then you have't seen new miele's, I have seen better quality plastics on entry level Electrolux's and Eureka's. The s5's are always in here for broken switches and hoods, The worst thing is they paint the switches so after a few uses the button looks terrible. 


 


Vintage repairer


 


That trigger feature is so handy when you have a house that is multi floored, Yes I always prefer to use a proper hardfloor nozzle on the hard flooring BUT when doing day to day Joshua clean-ups as we call them in our house( my eldest son) it is a very handy feature when the kida are going nuts supper needs to be done and homework, garden pets carwash ,over time wrk ,, yea the hectic life 


 


sbnhvlvr


Thank you for starting a good thread, Its been a while since I have enjoyed a thread 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Gsheen - do you honestly think Dyson are better quality than Miele? I know that most Dysons are now more expensive than Miele cleaners, but I cannot see how the Miele Hyclean bags make the bag compartment more dirty than a paper bag. Having 2 Miele cleaners myself, an S6 and an S7, both use the genuine Hyclean bags and I dont find the dustbag compartment gets filthy.
Everyone has their own opinions of the vacs they own, and whilst I own more Dyson cleaners than Miele cleaners, I still prefer the Mieles.
Each brand has its plus points, but I still say that the S7510 Miele upright runs rings round the Dyson uprights in terms of build quality and performance. Compare the sole plate on an S7 to a Dyson DC14 (Both current cleaners in 2008 when the S7 was launched) - which one would you say was better built?

 

[gsheen]

Dc14, I own both but compare apples with apples , Compaire the S7 to a dc25 and the dc25 will run circles around the S7, it also weighs half the weight and moves more freely 


 


I own the company that is the appointed service agent for dysn in SA, We hardly ever see a dyson with any body damage. The few we do see have been in extream circumstances, IE hit by the car in the garage, or fell 4 stories. I am not an officiol Miele agent Yet I get so many with broken body's The S7 is prown to breaking the bag door,  and the swivel, I don't think there is a country in the world better suited to testing Vacuums than SA. The level of abuse they get given here by cleaning staff is unrivalled. 


 


 


I too like Miele's but they are not made like they used to be, and I would never ever say that they are better made than a dyson, The Eectrolux Ultra one is a far superior machine to a Miele and much better made, 


 


 

 

[sebo_fan]

I definitely agree with Gareth that the current Miele vacs you can buy now are made of lesser quality - the main bodies and internal parts are made with lighter, cheaper plastics to balance the weight.  However, bear in mind that the HyClean dust bags (and previously the IntensiveClean bags) were both synthetic to cope with the higher motors. It is the same with the Hoover Pure Filt bags made for the Sensory, Telios and Arrianne - even when Hoover stopped selling the Arrianne in the UK, they appeared on the continent with 1700 watts that had tendencies to tear the basic, brown dust bags compared to synthetic bags. I noted the generic Miele paper dust bags used in my much heavier Miele S571 were of no use either due to the higher power of 1800 watts - the synthetic dust bags cope better with the higher power.


 


 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Gsheen, I see, you are a service agent for Dyson, that would explain why you are so in favour of them, and quite right too - I wouldnt expect otherwise, as you have to be seen to be totally loyal to the brand. Each appointed agent has to be 100% brand loyal, I watch lots of youtube vids from different vacuum dealers, and if the franchise is Miele, then Miele are all singing all dancing, and if its a Riccar/Simplicity franchise in the States, then nothing is better than a Riccar. Some dealers go to great lengths to big up their appointed brand, whilst belittling others and I am amazed by some of the tactics used. I love watching the GoVacuum (American company) vids, and as they are big on Miele, they dont have a good word to say about Dysons lol. I'm sure if you watched the guy from GoVacuums giving a Miele demo, you'd say he was talking a load of bull when he berates a Dyson that he is comparing the Miele to. Each Dealer as I say has to be brand loyal, as that brand probably gives the dealer quite a few perks.

 

[gsheen]

Yes I am very brand Loyal, I believe in the brand but I always did even when I worked for the competition, 


 


I do however like many brands of vacuum as a collector 

 

[williamr1248]

Dyson canister

Gareth,
I agree with you about the Miele. I feel just OK about my Miele. It has good suction,very quiet but I don't like it my application because of the short cord,short hose and heavy wand. Mine also started having an odor after the firt few uses.
I like some things about the Dyson. I do not seem to have dust leakage with the Dyson but in my case I cannot deal with the flying dust when it is time to empty and who wants to save dirt and filth in the closet. I also do not care for the short cord and hose on my DC23. It might be just great for some users but not in my particular application with lots of hard floors,carpets and multiple floors.
I would think it would be best suited for a smaller apartment.