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Just looking at ConsumerReports.org, there are both bypass and direct air upright vacuums with excellent scores for cleaning carpet. Kirby isn't in the current ratings (possibly due to new model), but I believe the Sentria had an Excellent score the last time I checked. CR only provides categorical scores, so they don't actually report which vacuum removed the most dirt.
 
Well sebo fan, since Windsor is now part of the Karcher group, it pretty much is the same. Different look. I'd wish it wasn't like that since Sebo is here now but I guess it will have to do.

I'm willing to guess for the commercial market that 1 less switch, a potentially sturdier handle and a variable control are all not necessary and are points of failure. Then again the S12 XP auto leveling Windsor exists. Oh well, I don't know however the diff btw that and the X series!

I couldn't live without that speed control, instead of turning it off, I put it to the lowest setting. It's like idling a lawn mower :)
 
@ralph, though I can't test it, I'd be sad if it outperformed the Riccar Vibrance provided to me where I clean an office. I just tested my Felix there, and it blew the Riccar away. I have to take 5-7 passes to get all the salt/sand out of their front rug. The felix took it out in one pass. Both had barely filled bags since I just serviced the Vibrance.
 
There must be something wrong with the Riccar if it couldn't keep up with the Felix.  Maybe an internal blockage or perhaps the height wasn't set properly.
 
@sptyks, that's just it, you can't set the height on it. Has a floating head plus right side suction on the bottom. Loves to spit out salt too. I think the only ones that can are the top of the line models.

It can pick up a lot on the first pass, but it simply isn't 100% clean until I pass it a lot more. And since that is the rug to the front office, it has to be as presentable as possible.

I'd had blockages on it before, but I've found the cause of them and fixed it for awhile (leaky floor bottom connector hose). I can tell it was blocked by the tone of the machine.

Nice that it has a clutch on it though. It is built tough, but I wished they spent more and got the commercial version. The cord isn't as tough and had to be replaced, the bottom plate just lost a wheel, and isn't metal, so replaced that. For the $200 or so they saved, they ended up paying for it in repairs anyhow.

Heck, my biggest gripe on it is replacing the brush strips, such a PITA. The Riccar lady explained how to do it, but since one of the end caps wasn't coming off without bending it, I let them do it!
 
It sounds like the Vibrance has some problems. Is the brushroll on the Vibrance damaged? The lifetime of any vacuum in a commercial setting is much shorter than in a household.

Your Sebo Felix is a very good vacuum. I'm not surprised that it cleans well. I wouldn't use a nice household vacuum in a commercial setting, since it voids your warranty.
 
@ralph, no, and I've used it with barely any brushes since most never bothered to change the bags or do maintenance on it.

When the brushes are barely there, it still works ok but can't pull itself along.

But again, I just had them replaced, and also found a bad side bearing on it, so was replaced too.

As it is, I don't have a warranty on the Sebo. But the local dealer says why not, as it isn't really any different than the commercial ones. Legally however it doesn't have a grounded plug so that's the only part I'd worry about but don't care. I like the Felix vs the Dart/Axcess much better.
 
Sprockets said: "Heck, my biggest gripe on it is replacing the brush strips, such a PITA. The Riccar lady explained how to do it, but since one of the end caps wasn't coming off without bending it, I let them do it!"

I'm no expert, but your comment about the end cap made me think there might be something wrong with the brush roll. If there wasn't a problem, I assumed that a person of your expertise probably wouldn't have any problems removing it.
 
@ralph, hard to describe.

They said remove the clip to release the end cap, and pull off. Well, it came off, but the rest of it, being where the belt goes on it, wouldn't come off, and that had to be removed in order to get the one set of brushes replaced.

The other side holds the whole metal tube that holds it together. They told me it may take a lot of effort to get it off, but it will come off. Well, the other side has no clip, and while it looked like it was coming off, all it seemed to do was bend.

It wasn't my vacuum, and I wasn't going to be responsible for replacing a $80 brush roll, so I let them figure it out. Besides, they don't charge to replace the strips so why bother? :)

I tried looking for anything to help me out, but Riccar has no instructions to do it, couldn't find any videos either. Only found one schematic that showed all the parts, but that was it.

Sebo OTOH, well, they make it easy!
 
Update on the Vibrance vs Felix front. I cleaned the office today again, but during the day. That same rug? Well, the Felix did good but wasn't the clear victory I thought it was. The Vibrance will scrub very well, but leaves a tiny middle trail due to the bottom plate. The Felix manages to leave no such trail.

With the swivel neck and small head, it can clean in all the small crevices that I'd usually have to stop and take the hose out for with the Vibrance. And that's great for my wrists since I vacuum a lot. But I'll go back to using the Vibrance and use the Felix when it needs a good edge cleaning, which is every couple months.
 
my experience

I have owned many vacuums. Bought the purple Dyson in 2005 (I don't remember the name). It lasted five years and now it makes a loud noise as if something is caught in it. Hated that thing. Am also not a fan of bagless. You have to breathe in that stuff every time you clean it out. Not fun. I then bought a refurbished Kirby Diamond Edition around 2011, I believe. I always loved Kirbys as my grandparents has one. Had a salesperson come to my house once. Biggest mistake. Their sales tactics are ridiculous. So, the Kirby Diamond cleaned very well but anything with the hose was a no go. I never used it because it was such a pain to use and didn't have very good suction. I also noticed the Kirby would lose suction after starting to fill, and I was using the cloth bags. Even though the full line is only halfway up the bag, it would start to lose suction long before it got there. What was the point in a large bag if I could only fill it less than halfway before losing suction? The suction and airflow were quite powerful. It would definitely stick to the lino in the kitchen but, with such a large head, was impractical for cleaning under low furniture. Also, it was horrible on rugs, even with the motor on low.

Last October I went for it and purchased a SEBO d4 Premium. I really like it. The first thing I noticed was how it groomed the pile. For some reason, the Kirby never did that as well. I don't know if it was because it as so heavy it matted it down but the SEBO power head is very good at grooming. Sure, it doesn't have as much airflow at the head but I don't really need that much. We vacuum often and don't wear shoes in the house. Since our cat passed away two years ago, there just isn't nearly as much dirt to pick up. Mostly just dust which the SEBO does really well with. I love the tools, the build quality and the ease of going from hard surfaces, to carpet, to above floor cleaning. For us, it is the best compromise. I don't kid myself into thinking it does as well on carpets as the Kirby, however, if my carpets were to get really bad I would use the Kirby every month or so. Also, if one vacuums frequently, they may not need a direct air vacuum. If you put it off for a month or so, much of the dirt and dust will get matted to the bottom of the carpet and I would think something like a Kirby would be the vacuum of choice. We vacuum so frequently dirt and dust don't have time to get to the mat. And, as I said, there isn't much dirt coming in.

My point is different vacuums work better for different people and different environments. You also have to take the type of carpet into consideration. Something like a berber or short pile isn't going to need as much airflow as a short or long shag. As we continue to replace our carpets with hardwood and rugs, something like the Kirby becomes less of a need. I probably will vacuum my carpets with the Kirby, for good measure, as I haven't had it out since getting the SEBO. I do miss it and it is nice to switch things up.
 
Well said, Shrink1982 - the whole point in your statement that I read was "you also have to take the type of carpet into consideration," which is one of the more important criteria involved when choosing a vacuum. The brands don't tend to fully validate that, not because there are so many types of different carpet, but rather because it involves more than just pasting an approval seal from one of many recognisable brands of carpet to justify that model's existence.
 
I don't care

What anybody says. My simplicity symmetry s20up cleans every bit as good as my direct air machines.
I would say it's even better than my sanitaires on pet hair.
 
I've got a VK130 and i've had no problem with it at all. The suction is the same as the VK120 & VK122 I have plus I got the adaptor so I can use the VK130 PN with the other ones.
 
The VK130 has had some terrible reviews in Germany where the suction is slated and I found that info online after I had bought mine. I can see why.

I was using mine a few days ago without the PN added - and I found the fault why suction is greatly decreased; it is the carbon motor filter sponge.

It protects the motor but there's already a HEPA filter on board and the filter bags that could work just as well without it. Removing the carbon filter and replacing it with a home made cut to fit Miele AirClean filter suddenly gives my VK130 far more suction power.

No wonder Vorwerk improved the design on the later models with a similar microfilter grid at the top of the motor.

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