did electrolux-aerus ever use lamb motors

[n0oxy]

So, I was talking to our local Aerus rep, the one I bought my Aerus classic from and asked if he had anything used he might want to part with. While the Aerus classic is a great vacuum, I love the sound of the two stage motors that were used in some of the previous models. Turns out he had a model called the Electrolux Advantage, I'm not sure when it was popular, but he said it has a brand new Lamb motor in it. As far as I know, all of the Lamb motors are made by Ametek. It sounded great, a nice two stage motor sound and he offered me a good price, so I got it, and I'm glad I did, it's an awesome machine. I'm just wondering if they ever used these motors, or if he retrofitted an Ametek motor in to it. Either way, it works great, and is quite powerful. He told me something else that I did not know. Apparently the current Aerus classic motors do not use brushes, they are brushless motors. Kind of makes you wonder why more motors are not made that way.

 

[dysonman1]

Aerus does not used brushless (Switched Reluctance) motors in any of their machines.

Ametek (Lamb) never made motors used by Aerus. They made after-market motors "to fit" Electrolux (Aerus) machines.

 

[ronni]

Congrats on your purchase.

The AdvantageSeries, model 1625, was manufactured mainly for indirect sales succeeding the Regency Series line. It was also sold door-to-door at the end of its run. Years of manufacture were circa 1992-94. The factory-paired power nozzle model was 1725 (with a brown cover to match the top of the tank). The earlier ones had a braided hose, and the later ones had a coiled vinyl hose.

There was also an upright model 1746.

Photos courtesy of eBay:

 

[blknblu]

I made one.
I retrofitted an Ametek Lamb motor into a gray Ambassador III.
It works much better than the original Electro Motor one.
Ametek Lamb makes/made many different models of a 2-stage, 5.7 inch, thru flow motor.
I picked one with dual ball bearings
If retrofitting, save everything. You may need to modify an existing part to get the motor to fit properly.
This one should last a very long time, as the motor is engineered well, and is easily serviceable

http://www.ametekfsm.com/

 

[n0oxy]

replacing motors with better ones

Kind of makes you wonder how many different vacuums this idea will work with. I've heard of it done with Electrolux models, and with some Panasonic-Kenmore models. Wonder how many different motors Ametek and Dommell make. I would think the most difficult part of making this work is getting the motor to fit, but you also need to make sure it has a good seal so suction doesn't leak.

 

[blknblu]

sealing the motor.
They make gaskets for the motors in different thicknesses and sizes to seal the gap.
I measured and got a foam seal for mine.
The foam was denser than the typical weatherstrip foam.
similar to the old mouse pads.

 

[djtaylor]

1205 motor

If I need to replace the motor in my 1205 can anyone tell me what new motor would be best. I love my 1205, but it's not the most powerful of vacuums I've used. I also have a 6000 that has lots of power. Is there a motor similar in power to the one in my 6000 that would fit in the 1205?
Thanks.

 

[vacuumlad1650]

You would need a Silverado type motor...it would take some wiring modifications.
Andy

 

[blknblu]

Easiest way is to get the motor with the adapter plate.
since the Super J & Olympia motors were longer, the PVC pipe adapter is needed for those models. On the later metal canister vacuums, their is an extension on the bag chamber.

For the 1205, you may not need the pipe adapter.
I have a 1205, but have not opened it up yet. The motor is similar to a Super J, but is not as large.

You may also look for a used motor from a later metal canister model after the Silverado. A pic of a Diamond Jubilee motore is shown.

 

[real1shep]

 


In spite of its rep, the Diamond J motor is a brute, albeit louder than I'd like. Doesn't woooosh like the G for example. But my DD Diamond J pulls about 80 inches of water. I bought it that way...never touched it. By contrast, I have another untouched-by-me Diamond J that pulls only 65 inches. I've restored a lot of Diamond J's....depending on their lives and locales, they pull different inches.....I see no pattern other than ones coming from good homes being on the high end of the inches gauge.


 


 


The problem with older canister vacs is that by now they have been handed down or sold through garage sales. If you pay $10-$25 for a Diamond J for example(or you got it for free), most people jump if the opportunity arises, to suck something up wet with it...'what's to lose?' they're thinking. Over half the Diamond J's I've been into have sucked in something wet with varying degrees of damage. I know (because of what we paid for our new Diamond J back in '84), the last thing in the world I would ever do was vac over something wet. The salesperson(woman) started to suck ashes out of our airtight stove during the demo. That's about as close as I ever came to hitting a woman. I couldn't believe she was doing that. Then she took my pink Hoover upright in for trade. I had just gone through it and it was my pride & joy from college daze. I'm sure it got thrown in a pile somewhere and taken to the dump....still stings to think about it....I need to let that go....lol.


 


 


Personally, I like the challenge of restoring the original motors, even if I have to buy a rewound armature or scavenge from another vac. But if you can get a quality 2 stage motor with ball bearings on either end and don't mind the noise level....you'd probably be better off.


 







 


 


 


 


 


 


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[real1shep]

<a name="start_33285.363435"></a>Easiest way is to get the motor with the adapter plate.
since the Super J & Olympia motors were longer, the PVC pipe adapter is needed for those models. On the later metal canister vacuums, their is an extension on the bag chamber.

For the 1205, you may not need the pipe adapter.
I have a 1205, but have not opened it up yet. The motor is similar to a Super J, but is not as large.

You may also look for a used motor from a later metal canister model after the Silverado. A pic of a Diamond Jubilee motore is shown.



 


I'm not having a lot of joy navigating the Ametex website to even find the replacement Lamb motor for the 1205 et al you pictured. Are they listed on eBay perhaps? Adapter plates, foam on the same site?



 


Kevin

 

[blknblu]

Just google 1205 motor.
The one with the Lamb motor is hard to find, unless you get a Perfect 101 motor.

Next project is to put this Ametek Lamb into my Olympia One.
bottom motor in pic.
Top one is from a Diamond Jubilee. I never cared for the Electro Motor's

 

[real1shep]

Found the motor you pictured in Post #363435 at evacuumstore. In the 'questions' section they were asked directly if it was a Ametex Lamb motor. They said no it was a Electromotor(what you labeled as Ametex Lamb in the aforementioned post).  So still in the dark to find the Ametex Lamb motor, or better information.


 


If I have time tomorrow, I'll go in and live chat with an Ametex representative on their website....see if I can get anywhere. This isn't working here.


 


Kevin


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[electrolux-dude]

Regarding 1205 motor

In my experience with working on 1205 motors just giving them a good cleaning and cleaning the fans will improve the suction tremendously. I bought a 1205 at an estate sale that upon opening it up discovered it had it's original motor replaced with a Lamb style replacement motor. I could tell from the sound of the motor that it didn't sound right, it sounded whiny and really loud! Fortunately I had another original 1205 motor I rebuilt and put the machine back to original again. Night and day difference when it comes to the sound. I wouldn't recommend a replacement Lamb motor for a 1205 through Silverado. Try to stick with original if at all possible. Chances are the 1205 can be serviced and if it has it's original motor it can be disassembled and thoroughly cleaned and it will work like new!

 

[real1shep]

 


The only problem I get into with original motors is if someone has sucked up something wet and there's damage to the bearings....or they ran with the bag too full and weakened the armature/windings. I've bought a Super J that only pulled about 58 inches of water. I gambled with a rewound armature that was more cost than the entire vacuum with accessories. That's normally not something I characteristically do, but the historical importance of that big motor is unique to Electrolux. Heck, even the brushes cost more than the rest of the models due to their size.



 


 


I'm glad to hear you say that about the Lamb motor, because they aren't cheap. However, I might make that an option to folks when I'm restoring Diamond J's. From what I see and read, the Lamb motor is a better motor than the DJ's original outsourced motor.



 


Kevin












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