turbo500
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Why are you so interested in flogging your sh!t to people that, between them, clearly know everything about vacuums. Since when did Vacuumland become Dragons Den?
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS KIRBY CONVERSION
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turbo500
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^sorry, that was rude. But you really can't expect to come on here plugging this kind of product and all of us, with our vast areas of knowledge on the subject, to turn around and go "oooohhh isn't it wonderful, lets ALL by one!" without asking you questions on it.
Re: KEELER, Bagless & Patents...
RE: Re:a007kirbyman patient info from 29 yrs. ago
This is all public information on Patents at the USPTO.
You state these 'performances', 'facts' & 'claims' about products & inventions; we (especially myself & vintagehoover, maybe others?!?!) are L@@King for some "hard-copy" information or "facts" on these things, [BEFORE purchasing something]. (Then, as I politely stated previously, you don't have to dig for the info.)
If I had 'intentions', (LOL), you would have to be acknowledged so you would get your royalties. Geez, just relax! (LOL)
As this is public information (at the USPTO), is this 'improper' to ask for some documentation?!?!? Hmmmm...
Again, TY & all have a wonderful day.
Bill
RE: Re:a007kirbyman patient info from 29 yrs. ago
This is all public information on Patents at the USPTO.
You state these 'performances', 'facts' & 'claims' about products & inventions; we (especially myself & vintagehoover, maybe others?!?!) are L@@King for some "hard-copy" information or "facts" on these things, [BEFORE purchasing something]. (Then, as I politely stated previously, you don't have to dig for the info.)
If I had 'intentions', (LOL), you would have to be acknowledged so you would get your royalties. Geez, just relax! (LOL)
As this is public information (at the USPTO), is this 'improper' to ask for some documentation?!?!? Hmmmm...
Again, TY & all have a wonderful day.
Bill
Re:turbo500 flogging your sh!t
The only reason I entered into the discussion about my bagless conversion was to give some facts and info concerning my products. I have watched for almost 1 year and have read comment after comment about my product with none of the experts having ever seen or having used one. I just thought it might be good to answer some questions and give some of my 40 year history in this business. I am a vac man just like you guys. I do not now or never thought that vacuum collectors would be interested in buying a modification of any kind. You are purest, like antique car collectors. I just wanted you gentleman to read my feedback's in e-bay to see what the owners of my conversion think. I merely suggested that before you condemn something you should actually see and use the product. As to a007kirbyman Usually when someone is checking into patient info is is because they want to copy or try and steal your invention. Sorry if I seem blunt, he is a Kirby man and I have been through this many times before. After being cussed at and grilled about my 29 year old patents pending I believe I will stop for now, I would like to ask my critics, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE. I am quite proud of my past. Thank you all for your time. Jim
The only reason I entered into the discussion about my bagless conversion was to give some facts and info concerning my products. I have watched for almost 1 year and have read comment after comment about my product with none of the experts having ever seen or having used one. I just thought it might be good to answer some questions and give some of my 40 year history in this business. I am a vac man just like you guys. I do not now or never thought that vacuum collectors would be interested in buying a modification of any kind. You are purest, like antique car collectors. I just wanted you gentleman to read my feedback's in e-bay to see what the owners of my conversion think. I merely suggested that before you condemn something you should actually see and use the product. As to a007kirbyman Usually when someone is checking into patient info is is because they want to copy or try and steal your invention. Sorry if I seem blunt, he is a Kirby man and I have been through this many times before. After being cussed at and grilled about my 29 year old patents pending I believe I will stop for now, I would like to ask my critics, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE. I am quite proud of my past. Thank you all for your time. Jim
turbo500
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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE
...You really don't want me to answer that. Let me tell you, in my short life, I've done far more than design something which is already in production (just look at the lux uprights in the UK and low end vax's..infact look at every cheap bagless vacuum on the market and tell me your bagless kirby converter isn't just one of their cyclones design to be plonked onto a kirby) for a product that would be far superior in performance, maintenance and style WITHOUT it. I don't pretend to be a genius. And I know that there's people on here with far more knowledge on the subject that myself. But with all the knowledge we have between us, we pretty much know everything and we're not thick and I think it;s pretty obvious that you have BLATANTLY come on here to try and sell your product to us. Well here's the fact for you - half of us can't stand bagless vacuums, and the other half who can all have Dysons. So what's the point?
I apologies NOW if I have offended anyone - thats not the intention and those of you who speak to me regularly know how blunt i am. I just think this is a crock, tbh.
...You really don't want me to answer that. Let me tell you, in my short life, I've done far more than design something which is already in production (just look at the lux uprights in the UK and low end vax's..infact look at every cheap bagless vacuum on the market and tell me your bagless kirby converter isn't just one of their cyclones design to be plonked onto a kirby) for a product that would be far superior in performance, maintenance and style WITHOUT it. I don't pretend to be a genius. And I know that there's people on here with far more knowledge on the subject that myself. But with all the knowledge we have between us, we pretty much know everything and we're not thick and I think it;s pretty obvious that you have BLATANTLY come on here to try and sell your product to us. Well here's the fact for you - half of us can't stand bagless vacuums, and the other half who can all have Dysons. So what's the point?
I apologies NOW if I have offended anyone - thats not the intention and those of you who speak to me regularly know how blunt i am. I just think this is a crock, tbh.
turbo500
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^yes. because I think your product is pointless. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some people like tea, others prefer coffee.
Isn't this pretty much the same cyclone that you're sticking on Kirbys? Hardly an achievement copying someone else's design.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
Isn't this pretty much the same cyclone that you're sticking on Kirbys? Hardly an achievement copying someone else's design.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
turbo500
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..and here's another one.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001801/partNumber/0883667.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001801/partNumber/0883667.htm
turbo500
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...oh, and ANOTHER one...
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produ...|Upright+bagless+vacuum+cleaners|14418648.htm
turbo500
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In a bagged vacuum, you have a bag to trap the dirt and then a filter to stop fine particles blowing into the motor. As the bag fills, it clogs. Fact. As it clogs, it loses suction - some more than others. Take the bag away and all you have are filters to hold the dust back from blowing into the motor. That is basically what all those low efficiency cyclones do. The minute dust hits that cyclone chamber, they clog because all the dust is coming in direct contact with the filter. As the filter clogs, the motor starts to struggle and eventually over-heats. Kirby, a highly respected vacuum brand with exceptional performance and reliability, don't have this problem. Dirty fan motor and a bag the size of...well..a really big bag. Your product removes that. As it clogs, the vacuum will lose suction and become unreliable and a waste of the £1,500 people spend on them. Why would you spend that amount of money on a vacuum to go and add something that reduces it to the level of a machine you can get for under £40 in Argos? So therefore, I think it's pointless.
turbo500
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I've just caught your video on cleaning the thing. Messy messy messy!! When you bang it, you're going to get COVERED in dust and bacteria and you have to do that each time you use it, which is a ball ache. Again, this is something I would expect to pay £40-£80 for, not £1,500 PLUS $99.00 for the conversion unit. I'll give Mr. Dyson his credit - he got his cyclonic system spot on!
turbo500
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...and seeing as you decided to start question my life by asking "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN YOUR LIFE!?" making this rather personal, I have acquired the right to insult "your" product. And I think frantically yelling (as implied by your annoying OVER USE OF CAPITALS) at poor Jack that his "NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING" gives HIM the right to insult your product equally.
Re: turbo500
If a person doesn't want to clean the unit after each use, I would strongly advise them not to get one. The people who have bought the units don't seem to mind the cleaning of the jar and filter. In fact I think that is the best part, seeing how much it picks up, you would have to see it to believe it. I guess my price is just right according to you. You suggest a worth of 40 to 80 , it cost $89.00. I don't think I am responsible for what a person pays for their Kirby. I do want to say that I did not realize you were a teenager. I am not in the habit of sparing with someone as young as you. When I ask what you had done in life so far I did not realize you were only 18 or so, I have 5 children and 15 grandchildren, some of which are older than you. Again I'm sorry I did not mean to offend you. Looks like you have a fine vacuum collection,I'm sure you are a fine young man. Jim Keeler
If a person doesn't want to clean the unit after each use, I would strongly advise them not to get one. The people who have bought the units don't seem to mind the cleaning of the jar and filter. In fact I think that is the best part, seeing how much it picks up, you would have to see it to believe it. I guess my price is just right according to you. You suggest a worth of 40 to 80 , it cost $89.00. I don't think I am responsible for what a person pays for their Kirby. I do want to say that I did not realize you were a teenager. I am not in the habit of sparing with someone as young as you. When I ask what you had done in life so far I did not realize you were only 18 or so, I have 5 children and 15 grandchildren, some of which are older than you. Again I'm sorry I did not mean to offend you. Looks like you have a fine vacuum collection,I'm sure you are a fine young man. Jim Keeler
Just watched the video as well...
"The dirt is going to move towards the filter" so you are admitting that it IS going to clog and lose suction? Surely the idea would keep the dirt away from the filter as long as possible?
Oh goody! My allergies would absolutely LOVE to touch and bang out the filter!
Why can't I just pay attention to it every 6 months? Oh... Wait... Low efficiency cyclone.
The unit will NOT have full power every time! The average home user can't clean a Dyson filter yet alone performing all that filter maintenance EVERY TIME
It sure is very very... something... Simple is not the word
It also is "a little different to anything I have seen"... So grateful that it is nothing like my Dysons.
"The dirt is going to move towards the filter" so you are admitting that it IS going to clog and lose suction? Surely the idea would keep the dirt away from the filter as long as possible?
Oh goody! My allergies would absolutely LOVE to touch and bang out the filter!
Why can't I just pay attention to it every 6 months? Oh... Wait... Low efficiency cyclone.
The unit will NOT have full power every time! The average home user can't clean a Dyson filter yet alone performing all that filter maintenance EVERY TIME
It sure is very very... something... Simple is not the word
It also is "a little different to anything I have seen"... So grateful that it is nothing like my Dysons.
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS CONVERSION
Re:shanonabc: If any of your comments were right the people who own and use the Keeler bagless would not say that it is great, and many say they love it, many say much better than a Kirby with a bag. These are not my claims any more these are from my customers. You guys just can't get past the fact that it works besides what you think you know. People love it. That's a fact. Jim
Re:shanonabc: If any of your comments were right the people who own and use the Keeler bagless would not say that it is great, and many say they love it, many say much better than a Kirby with a bag. These are not my claims any more these are from my customers. You guys just can't get past the fact that it works besides what you think you know. People love it. That's a fact. Jim
re: turbo500 pictures of bagless vacs- not Keeler's
I guess that you have made your point, all bagless vacuum dirt cups look alike. What do you think a dirt cup should look like? I thought of making it out of aluminum but it would weigh more and you would not be able to see the dirt. Help me out here. What should it look like? Jim
I guess that you have made your point, all bagless vacuum dirt cups look alike. What do you think a dirt cup should look like? I thought of making it out of aluminum but it would weigh more and you would not be able to see the dirt. Help me out here. What should it look like? Jim
"besides what you think you know"
if we went by this principal the world would be severely flawed.
Surely you can grasp the concept that a bagged machine, bagless machine & (certain) "cyclonic" machines will lose suction because of the clogged bags/filters?
if we went by this principal the world would be severely flawed.
Surely you can grasp the concept that a bagged machine, bagless machine & (certain) "cyclonic" machines will lose suction because of the clogged bags/filters?
rolls_rapide
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Looking at the video, it appears that the air duct into the cyclonic chamber is centred, rather than tangentially offset like any other manufacturer's cyclonic chamber. I doubt that it even has cyclonic action. On this basis, I would imagine that cyclonic separation efficiency would be next to useless, since the airflow would be split into two opposing paths which would clash. The dirt and dust would very quickly coat the pleated filter. Constantly having to clean the filter will become tedious, offering no advantage over a bag.
The awkward shape is likely to come into contact with furniture.
Conclusion: a basic bagless design, that has no inventive steps and thus nothing of merit.
The awkward shape is likely to come into contact with furniture.
Conclusion: a basic bagless design, that has no inventive steps and thus nothing of merit.
veroroger
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I'm confused....
My, but some people are certainly getting riled up over this thread, aren't they? And, far too personal in some of the comments made here - some things are best left to individual emails.
However, my confusion deals with the dirt catching action of the Kirby vacuum and how this invention works. I've gone and looked at my two Kirby's and both push the dirt into the bag rather than suck the dirt into the bag. Now, if the dirt is pushed into this cannister, why does it matter if it's cyclonic or not? As far as the filter, I'm quite sure it will clog with use but that's to be accepted just as bags will clog in use. If the purchaser chooses not to clean the filter, they will have less performance. My assumption is that this cannister is useful in eventually costing less than bags and, if emptied after each use and filter cleaned, will give the user like new performance each time. Am I wrong?
My, but some people are certainly getting riled up over this thread, aren't they? And, far too personal in some of the comments made here - some things are best left to individual emails.
However, my confusion deals with the dirt catching action of the Kirby vacuum and how this invention works. I've gone and looked at my two Kirby's and both push the dirt into the bag rather than suck the dirt into the bag. Now, if the dirt is pushed into this cannister, why does it matter if it's cyclonic or not? As far as the filter, I'm quite sure it will clog with use but that's to be accepted just as bags will clog in use. If the purchaser chooses not to clean the filter, they will have less performance. My assumption is that this cannister is useful in eventually costing less than bags and, if emptied after each use and filter cleaned, will give the user like new performance each time. Am I wrong?
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS CONVERSION
re: Rolls rapide some of what you said about no cyclonic action is right on. That seems to be why it works so good. Go figure. If you will go to my e-bay feedbacks you will see over 118 positive feedback's, that's 100%. No one that has used one of my units has said that it does not work. So I guess if all the people who own one say it works, maybe we could assume that it works for what ever reason. It just doesn't matter why you gentleman think it doesn't work, it does. You just can't change the facts. Nice to meet you. Jim
re: Rolls rapide some of what you said about no cyclonic action is right on. That seems to be why it works so good. Go figure. If you will go to my e-bay feedbacks you will see over 118 positive feedback's, that's 100%. No one that has used one of my units has said that it does not work. So I guess if all the people who own one say it works, maybe we could assume that it works for what ever reason. It just doesn't matter why you gentleman think it doesn't work, it does. You just can't change the facts. Nice to meet you. Jim
rolls_rapide
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I would also cast doubt that a patent would be allowed.
Simply because dirty fan, non-cyclonic bagless has been done before: (UK Hoover Turbomaster & Turbopower 'Freedom'; USA Hoover bagless, etc).
"Prior art" and all that.
Simply because dirty fan, non-cyclonic bagless has been done before: (UK Hoover Turbomaster & Turbopower 'Freedom'; USA Hoover bagless, etc).
"Prior art" and all that.
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS CONVERSION
re: verorodger Nice to meet you Rodger. You are right on. It's so simple. You are the first person to grasp the reality of the bagless conversion. I have never mentioned anything about getting a patient, prior art and all of that. I prefer to get patient pending on this type of item as it affords a better type of protection. Thats another matter entirely. That is not relevant to weather it works or not. Rodger did you see my you tube video? Did you see my customers feedback's in e-bay? 118 people have said that it works. Nice to meet you. I lived if Florida half of my life. St Pete. area and Ft. Lauderdale area. Thank you for understanding how it works. Their isn't a lot of science involved it just works. Jim Keeler
re: verorodger Nice to meet you Rodger. You are right on. It's so simple. You are the first person to grasp the reality of the bagless conversion. I have never mentioned anything about getting a patient, prior art and all of that. I prefer to get patient pending on this type of item as it affords a better type of protection. Thats another matter entirely. That is not relevant to weather it works or not. Rodger did you see my you tube video? Did you see my customers feedback's in e-bay? 118 people have said that it works. Nice to meet you. I lived if Florida half of my life. St Pete. area and Ft. Lauderdale area. Thank you for understanding how it works. Their isn't a lot of science involved it just works. Jim Keeler
CUSTOMERS LOVE THE BAGLESS CONVERSION
re: shanononabc. Well I guess we need not say anymore, I couldn't possibly keep up with an intellect like yours. I guess its a door stop. Do you think I can still sell it for $89.00. I never thought of it having a second use. Thanks for the idea. I will add it to my advertisements. A 2 for one invention. I knew if I talked to you men long enough I would get something out of it. Thanks Jim
re: shanononabc. Well I guess we need not say anymore, I couldn't possibly keep up with an intellect like yours. I guess its a door stop. Do you think I can still sell it for $89.00. I never thought of it having a second use. Thanks for the idea. I will add it to my advertisements. A 2 for one invention. I knew if I talked to you men long enough I would get something out of it. Thanks Jim
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