Commercial Vacuum options take #2

[photowizd]

Well I'm posting this after being disappointed with my pick the first time around. I purchase a powrfilte backpack vacuum for a somewhat large dealership in my area. Was disappointed like day one, not as comfortable as I has hoped, horrible on area rugs, other small issues. So I'm back to sort out some of my thoughts. Went to my local vacuum dealer today and I thought I had my mind set on something but he gave me other options to ponder with.

I have been thinking about the Sebo Felix for a couple weeks now, modular in design, nice easy to service powerhead, top fill bags. He gave me an odd look, told me the neck of the vacuum is its weak point and it could fail on me.

We chatted for about an hour on all the many vacuums on the market and some were surprising options.

A rebuilt filter-queen with a non OEM powerhead

Miele C3 with the SEB 236, cord reel removed with static 50ft cord

Riccar Tandem air (probably the briliance models) Shocking option to me?

Miele U1

Riccar Vibrance with lifetime belt R20P



My dealer has been a bit burnt by sebo in the past board failures and working with them. So I guess he said he would sell me one but not recommended in his eyes.

My situation a large dealership, mostly hard flooring, different types, tile, laminate, commercial glue down, and lots of rubber backed area rugs. I do want a hose to corners and dusting.

I want to hear honest feedback on usability , reliability and easy of repairs, cost of ownership. All information provided will be helpful. Thanks in advance.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

What ya need is a metal Tristar CXL or Filter Queen good power head large bag and long hsoe perfect for floor or rugs powerful to easy to maneuver around and lots of attachments too .Eitehr of those can be bought on ebay in good condition and fora small fee metal construction means it will lasta life time long hsoe easy reach good floor tool and power head .Canister whit floor tool and power head would bea good choice in my books

 

[eurekaprince]

I’d go for the Aerus Lux Commercial upright or the Sanitaire Commercial SC9180b (see link below). Both are made for commercial environments with heavy gauge power cords and both have a brush roll shut-off option to clean all your bare floors. These vacs are made with a little more durability so that they can handle the dirt tracked in by customers coming in from the outside with sand, gravel and street dirt on their shoes. These may be better than vacs designed for the domestic market.




https://www.buysanitaire.com/Sanitaire/SC9180B-Sanitaire-Dual-Motor-Vacuum__SC9180B.aspx

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

I'm not an expert but I have done a lot of research. The sanitairre is solid considered 2nd behind the proteam vacuum. It's top rated on Amazon and quite a few other sites. I have looked for one on classified market but almost impossible. I'm posting link to Amazon.

Https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GM4YKWC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_81J6BbCGPC8YG

 

[holeefuk]

$300 commercial sebo felix variant much robust at heavy use, however, bag capacity limit downfall

Fix neck strong compared twistable neck. foot pedal PN release, flex not break if abuse drop.
Nonvariable board and switch invincible
cord robust as 220v industry equipment
can upgrade most premium feature after

i have mexico sanitaire older than me, still work and look brand new except black lung bag.

https://www.pwoutlet.com/Karcher-CV-300-Commercial-Upright-Vacuum-p/1.012-059.0.htm

 

[vacuumdevil]

15 years in the vacuum industry speaking.

The Felix is by far toughest vacuum you listed.

I think you should consider a SEBO mechanical it's an extremely tough machine designed for day-to-day use and abuse.

https://www.sebo.us/upright-vacuums...nical-heavy-duty-reliable-vacuum-cleaner.aspx

Here's a link to Windsor's website. SEBO's commercial division.

http://windsorvacuums.com/index.php

Have you also considered an NSS M1 ?

Hope that helps.



http://www.nss.com/prod_vac_m1.php

 

[eurekaprince]

But I don’t think you can turn off the brushroll with the Sebo Mechanical Upright. Cleaning bare floors is not that efficient if you can’t shut off the spinning brush roll - you get a lot of dirt scattering. In this case, there are lots of bare flooring to clean. I think he’d be better off with an upright that allows you to shut off the brush roll. It seems to be a feature lacking in all Sebo/Windsor uprights (besides the Felix), as far as I know.

 

[tolivac]

for the bare floors and up high cleaning the NSS Pig would be the best choice.There is also a powernozzle of the Pig that has a powernozzle connector for the NSS powernozzle if there are rugs or carpets.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@eurekaprince if you're not cleaning delicate wood floors doesn't matter. The commercial flooring that he's cleaning you don't necessarily need to shut off the brush roll it will clean just fine.
This is why most collector's shouldn't recommend things that aren't related to vacuum collecting.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@tolivac you have one of those right?

 

[photowizd]

I'm really torn

So I think most uprights are out of the picture even though I really like that form factor. So my thoughts guide me toward

Filterqueen with a Sebo ET1

Miele C3 (I love the machine but has many cons) Bag size, Powerhead

Sebo Felix (I still like that option but again I have some doubts never put my hands on one)

Nacecare NVH380?

 

[matt8808]

While the Sebo Mechanical is a fantastic machine - I have the UK version, the Evolution 350 as my household daily driver, the hard floor performance is somewhat poor when it comes to anything other than dust and hair. Any large particles like grit it will just scatter, so I invested in some extra wands and a Sebo Kombi floor tool to clean our kitchen floor with it.

I'd personally go for a Sebo Felix for what you want. Superb machines and you can shut the brush roll off for hard floor.

 

[eurekaprince]

Indeed Derek....try out the Nacecare/Numatic canister with the Sebo power nozzle. You’ll get a very flexible but durable cleaning machine that has a long-standing reputation in British commercial environments. And you can shut off the brush roll when needed, or change over to a nice wide bare floor nozzle for all those hard floors that need cleaning. Numatic even has an optional extra long hose to help you clean out the car interiors in the show room!

 

[blackheart]

My 2c

Go with the nacecare the bags are enormous. The filter queen won't be a good choice IMO they lose their airflow rapidly due to the smaller surface area of the filter vs the a bag.

 

[tolivac]

Vacuumdevil-Yes-I have two Pigs that have the powernozzle "Pigtail" connector.These are for a DIN type powercord.also have the powernozzle for the Pig or the NSS Designer Dry canister.I also use the Volt powernozzle with the Pig-Works GREAT!!If you pick up a small hard thing you hear it go thru TWO fans!!You KNOW its picked up!Sometimes get a satisfying "Thoop" into the Pigs bag!And there are several bare floor and carpet tool options available from NSS-for ANY type of carpet or floors.I have a carpet tool for my Pig and it works VERY well!when using it you push down slightly on the wand handle to rqaise the front of the tool a little for airflow-the pull up slightly when going back.Do that and the tool works well and is easier to use.Do that method with the Pig or central vac tools and its easier and more effective.Since these machines have high suction and airflow using the tools flat on the floor gets tiring and less effective.

 

[photowizd]

KARCHER CV 300 COMMERCIAL UPRIGHT?

Why is that so cheap or inexpensive compared to the Felix model. I know it has a lower wattage motor, no variable suction, and a fixed neck on the power head but that seem very inexpensive.

https://www.pwoutlet.com/Karcher-CV-300-Commercial-Upright-Vacuum-p/1.012-059.0.htm

 

[crazykirbydude]

Aerus

Your best bet is with Aerus. They are amazing machines.

 

[holeefuk]

Karcher CV300

i saw cv300 motor under the hood identical to premium sebo felix - Ametek Italian

charge high for premium feature

german entry model have modest filter, lifetime belt, hall sensors, handle switch, adjustable PN, 40feet cord more than i can afford pal

https://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?37469_7

 

[myles_v]

The Filter Queen, Sebo Felix/Windsor Axcess, and Nacecare all sound like good options. The NSS is another interesting option.

The Filter Queen option seems a little strange, but I think it could work out well. I don't have issues with them losing airflow very quickly with genuine filter cones, and the tank holds a ton of dirt.

Buying a Miele for a commercial environment would be stupid. They're great machines for home use, but they're not durable enough for the environment you'd be using it in and the consumables (bags, filters, etc) are prohibitively expensive for commercial use.

 

[myles_v]

Also, it sounds like your vacuum shop guy just had a bad experience with Sebo so he's trying to push you towards other brands. The Sebo Mechanical seems better than the Felix if you need a larger bag capacity.
Like what has already been stated, there's no need to be able to turn off the brushroll. Uprights with the brushroll turned off often give unacceptable cleaning results anyways, so you'll either want something with a dedicated hard floor tool or something with a rotating brush even on hard floors. They'll clean better with the brush spinning than without.

 

[eurekaprince]

But if those bare floors are washed with soap at some point, and maybe even buffed with a wax of some sort, won’t the residue end up on the vacuum’s brush roll and then transfer to whatever carpet it is used on? Bare floors end up with all sorts of sticky stuff created by wet material drying on it....that can’t be good for the bristles on the brush roll, no? There must be some good reason that many vacuums offer an easy way to shut off the brush roll for bare floor cleaning.

In my opinion, an upright is not a practical cleaner if you have lots of bare flooring to clean. And if the carpeting in this showroom is very low pile, a good suction only canister cleaner should work well on the carpeted surfaces, too.

There is a very innovative floor brush out there now called the “Sidewinder” that seems like a great idea for commercial environments - you swipe the brush from side to side instead of back and forth...allowing the user to clean large swaths of bare flooring more easily.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@photowizd looks like you answered your own question about that Karcher CV300.
It's got less features therefore it's less expensive to make.

Also you have a backpack vacuum right? so maybe the backpack vacuum for bare floors and get a dedicated upright for carpets?

They also make maid carts that fit backpack vacuums in them ,if you want it to be on wheels.

Here is one of my favorite upright commercial Vacuums right now .

 

[tolivac]

Maid services in my area use Meile vacuums and are quite pleased with them and they work well for the maids.Their cost isn't as high as you would think.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@tolivac that's interesting to hear. I have run over a few beat services over the years that do that. If they're running a straight suction cleaners it really is quite cost-effective.

 

[tolivac]

The maid services here replace the Meile machines every few years and trade in their old ones.They just stay in the back of the shop in the trade in pile.Those Meiles are just too beat up and paint scarred to resell-and count the hours run up on the motors.They often end up as parts machines for someone wanting a part at lower cost.One of the maid machines has a blown motor.Wore the brushes right down and scarred the commumtator.

 

[photowizd]

Sebo D4, Miele C3, Sebo Felix

I think I narrowed down my options, I have been using a old beat up simplicity upright. Its been decent but I see the flaws with that vacuum in this environment. I haven't really seen or heard too much on the Sebo D4? Anyone have any hands on experience with that unit?

 

[vacuumdevil]

@photowizd I have experience with all of the sevo canisters I have sold the k-3 and the E3 commercially before with good results. The machine seem to hold up fairly well. The D4 extra long cord and large bag should serve you well.
You can also get an extra wide power nozzle with the D4 .

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

My recommendations:
(1) Royal all-metal model CR5128Z
(2) Royal all-metal model CR5158Z (like CR5128Z, but with super-wide 18" nozzle)
(3) Kirby Avalir II, with the optional 50-foot-cord

~Ben

 

[n0oxy]

Sebo D4 and sidewinder

The Sebo D4 is a great machine, Sebos are made very well and their power nozzles are about as good as it gets. If you want an upright, the Sebo Felix is a good choice, it uses the same power nozzle but you can remove it and attach a hard floor brush, so even though it's an upright, it will clean hard floors as well as a canister.
The sidewinder is an awesome floor tool, I use it in my apartment which has a lot of hard floors, it works very well, especially when combined with a backpack but it will work with any canister or central vac.
Mike