Commercial Vacuum options take #2

[myles_v]

Also, it sounds like your vacuum shop guy just had a bad experience with Sebo so he's trying to push you towards other brands. The Sebo Mechanical seems better than the Felix if you need a larger bag capacity.
Like what has already been stated, there's no need to be able to turn off the brushroll. Uprights with the brushroll turned off often give unacceptable cleaning results anyways, so you'll either want something with a dedicated hard floor tool or something with a rotating brush even on hard floors. They'll clean better with the brush spinning than without.

 

[eurekaprince]

But if those bare floors are washed with soap at some point, and maybe even buffed with a wax of some sort, won’t the residue end up on the vacuum’s brush roll and then transfer to whatever carpet it is used on? Bare floors end up with all sorts of sticky stuff created by wet material drying on it....that can’t be good for the bristles on the brush roll, no? There must be some good reason that many vacuums offer an easy way to shut off the brush roll for bare floor cleaning.

In my opinion, an upright is not a practical cleaner if you have lots of bare flooring to clean. And if the carpeting in this showroom is very low pile, a good suction only canister cleaner should work well on the carpeted surfaces, too.

There is a very innovative floor brush out there now called the “Sidewinder” that seems like a great idea for commercial environments - you swipe the brush from side to side instead of back and forth...allowing the user to clean large swaths of bare flooring more easily.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@photowizd looks like you answered your own question about that Karcher CV300.
It's got less features therefore it's less expensive to make.

Also you have a backpack vacuum right? so maybe the backpack vacuum for bare floors and get a dedicated upright for carpets?

They also make maid carts that fit backpack vacuums in them ,if you want it to be on wheels.

Here is one of my favorite upright commercial Vacuums right now .

 

[tolivac]

Maid services in my area use Meile vacuums and are quite pleased with them and they work well for the maids.Their cost isn't as high as you would think.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@tolivac that's interesting to hear. I have run over a few beat services over the years that do that. If they're running a straight suction cleaners it really is quite cost-effective.

 

[tolivac]

The maid services here replace the Meile machines every few years and trade in their old ones.They just stay in the back of the shop in the trade in pile.Those Meiles are just too beat up and paint scarred to resell-and count the hours run up on the motors.They often end up as parts machines for someone wanting a part at lower cost.One of the maid machines has a blown motor.Wore the brushes right down and scarred the commumtator.

 

[photowizd]

Sebo D4, Miele C3, Sebo Felix

I think I narrowed down my options, I have been using a old beat up simplicity upright. Its been decent but I see the flaws with that vacuum in this environment. I haven't really seen or heard too much on the Sebo D4? Anyone have any hands on experience with that unit?

 

[vacuumdevil]

@photowizd I have experience with all of the sevo canisters I have sold the k-3 and the E3 commercially before with good results. The machine seem to hold up fairly well. The D4 extra long cord and large bag should serve you well.
You can also get an extra wide power nozzle with the D4 .

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

My recommendations:
(1) Royal all-metal model CR5128Z
(2) Royal all-metal model CR5158Z (like CR5128Z, but with super-wide 18" nozzle)
(3) Kirby Avalir II, with the optional 50-foot-cord

~Ben

 

[n0oxy]

Sebo D4 and sidewinder

The Sebo D4 is a great machine, Sebos are made very well and their power nozzles are about as good as it gets. If you want an upright, the Sebo Felix is a good choice, it uses the same power nozzle but you can remove it and attach a hard floor brush, so even though it's an upright, it will clean hard floors as well as a canister.
The sidewinder is an awesome floor tool, I use it in my apartment which has a lot of hard floors, it works very well, especially when combined with a backpack but it will work with any canister or central vac.
Mike

 

[vacuumdevil]

@kirbyclassiciii
Those are all super cool vacuums.
Generally speaking dir air for commercial use is a no-go these days. The added cost of fans and belts are unnecessary .The industry has reflected this.
Also it appears we can no longer order Royal metal uprights from TTI.
I've seen the generation series used commercially it tends to be a rather expensive proposition.

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

vacuumdevil

Alex,

Especially not those metal Royal uprights with the shake-out bags (the ones without a "Z" in their model nomenclatures). When I watched this video, you explained that the shake-out bag had been outlawed in a few states.

~Ben[this post was last edited: 12/2/2018-22:40]

 

[tolivac]

How come Sanitaires are STILL the most common commercial vacuums?You should have seen a Carpetpro that was used in a burger place that the user tried to pick up a WHOLE hamburger with it!!!!!WHAT A MESS-A Sanitaire would have been easier to clean out.Actually as I a said it before---NO vacuum cleaner is really good for food service use!That is why brooms,Bissel sweepers are still used in restaurants.

 

[royalfan]

@photowizd Just buy a SEBO and call it good. Can't ask for better then them !

 

[vacuumdevil]

2018

@tolivac I haven't seen one direct air commercial sanitaire out in the field im my travels. The only Sanitaires I've seen have been bypass coming on lately. They've really lost most of their commercial market share. Nilfisk-advance,Karcher,Bissell&commercial Hoover have taken the place for sure. I think it was a different story 15 years ago they definitely were pretty popular. I'm included a link to my Instagram where I've documented my travels and what I've seen.

@kirbyclassiciii I can't have a custom video for everybody. The point of that video is the show the shortcomings of Dirty air vacuums . The dump bag was besides the point. TTI Royal does make good HEPA bags. Another example of the point I was trying to make.

 

[tolivac]

The Sanitaires are VERY common out here.ProTeam uprights are also common here.At one restaurant I frequently eat at--they have NO vacuum at all-just a mop and a broom.The place has all hard floors.

 

[tolivac]

The Sebo shown in the video is surprisingly clean for being in a restaurant.The Sebo dealer here DOES NOT recommend them for use in foodservice places.The Sebo is another HOME type vacuum.The warrantee can be invalidated if this is used commercially-but folks use them like other vacuums for commercial use.

 

[oldskoolguy]

I reeccomend a Hoover Guardsman or convertible/decade. The guardsman is not listed as bagged on Hoover commercial’s website, but it is available as model c1431-010. It also uses the same motor from the 80s convertibles and decades. Alternatively you might find a Kirby to be a good choice. I’d reccomend a sentria or later, but reallly any model is going to work fine. If you want a clean air, try the cleanmax pro series. I used one during my time working at a rec. centrer, and it cleaned well and withstood all the use it got.

 

[vacuumdevil]

@tolivac I definitely didn't sell them that vacuum. But it came in so I made a video .
That's an important point about the warranty!

Of course if you're using commercially I would recommend the Windsor or Karcher version

https://www.kaercher.com/us/professional/commercial-vacuums.html

 

[tolivac]

Notice how familiar the Karcher vacuums are!!!!!On the Felix style vacuums I would be concerned about the nozzle on the main body breaking.Has happened.I haven't seen ANY Windsor vacuum cleaners in my area.No Windsor dealers here that I know of.The closest would be Raleigh or Charlette.