manchestervacs
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Splendid looking cars Midcenturyman!
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Cars
I currently have a 1981 Pontiac Trans Am Nascar edition pace car replica that is enjoying it's annual nap while Winter rages on. She comes out in May. My Summer driver is a 1996 Caprice and my year round car is a red 2013 Impala LT with moon roof and a monster 3.6 liter V6 under hood that really makes this car fly when needed and gets 31 plus MPG on the open road. I only have a pic of the 96 Caprice at the moment and here she is with only 88K miles on the clock. No troubles with these GM cars. There is a reason Caprices, Impalas, Crown Vic and Taurus's were used for law enforcement and severe taxi use. They are long lasting reliable sedans and all the ones my family and friends have owned over the years have been very reliable overall.
I currently have a 1981 Pontiac Trans Am Nascar edition pace car replica that is enjoying it's annual nap while Winter rages on. She comes out in May. My Summer driver is a 1996 Caprice and my year round car is a red 2013 Impala LT with moon roof and a monster 3.6 liter V6 under hood that really makes this car fly when needed and gets 31 plus MPG on the open road. I only have a pic of the 96 Caprice at the moment and here she is with only 88K miles on the clock. No troubles with these GM cars. There is a reason Caprices, Impalas, Crown Vic and Taurus's were used for law enforcement and severe taxi use. They are long lasting reliable sedans and all the ones my family and friends have owned over the years have been very reliable overall.
gsheen
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Joel
I Love the Caprice . We never got them here but their are a few floating around because of Movies that are been Filmed in Cape Town. Most are in USA Cop Car Colours although I ave seen a few yellow ones too. I love how big they are. With most of our cars been German or Japanese based we do not get really big cars here so these stand out in traffic.
Gareth
I Love the Caprice . We never got them here but their are a few floating around because of Movies that are been Filmed in Cape Town. Most are in USA Cop Car Colours although I ave seen a few yellow ones too. I love how big they are. With most of our cars been German or Japanese based we do not get really big cars here so these stand out in traffic.
Gareth
kirbyloverdan
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To all that think old large cars are
Safe you need to see this proof that they are not safe at all ...
All I can say is thank God they don't build em like they used to !!!
Dan [this post was last edited: 1/7/2015-18:47]
http://speedsociety.com/1959-chevrolet-bel-air-vs-2009-chevrolet-malibu-crash-test/
Safe you need to see this proof that they are not safe at all ...
All I can say is thank God they don't build em like they used to !!!
Dan [this post was last edited: 1/7/2015-18:47]
http://speedsociety.com/1959-chevrolet-bel-air-vs-2009-chevrolet-malibu-crash-test/
My family is also loyal to Toyota. Our current vehicles are a 2007 Camry Hybrid and a 2006 Sequoia. Absolutely zero mechanical issues over the life of the cars. <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Many times we'll drive over a 100 miles a day in the Camry. Most their use was in the hot central Arizona desert, which can be brutal. Both have about 120,000 miles on them, but with such great </span>reliability we don't plan on turing them in anytime soon.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">However, I must say that Grand Wagoneer is </span>pretty sleek. <span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I'd </span>probably prefer a smaller early Cherokee, but you can't go wrong with a woody! <span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">However, I must say that Grand Wagoneer is </span>pretty sleek. <span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I'd </span>probably prefer a smaller early Cherokee, but you can't go wrong with a woody! <span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span>
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kirbyloverdan
that doesn't prove anything. In that crash test is a 1950's Chevy Bel Air the people who poted above are talking about cars made in the 1980's and 1990's. Since the 1950's safety in cars has gotten better by so much. Comparing a 1950's car to a more modern one is simply not reasonable considering how many safety features a 1950's car lacks. The cars the people above are talking about are made in the 1980's and 1990's where safety was improved. Those cars actually have air bags and other safety innovations that they didn't have in the 50's. That crash test you provided proves nothing but that cars in the 50's were not safe. In the 1990's the safety in cars has been changed so much.
that doesn't prove anything. In that crash test is a 1950's Chevy Bel Air the people who poted above are talking about cars made in the 1980's and 1990's. Since the 1950's safety in cars has gotten better by so much. Comparing a 1950's car to a more modern one is simply not reasonable considering how many safety features a 1950's car lacks. The cars the people above are talking about are made in the 1980's and 1990's where safety was improved. Those cars actually have air bags and other safety innovations that they didn't have in the 50's. That crash test you provided proves nothing but that cars in the 50's were not safe. In the 1990's the safety in cars has been changed so much.
I just upgraded ...
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">I had been driving a 2008 Honda Civic LX for the last four years, and this past August I decided that it was time for a change. So I bought my first Hyundai: a 2013 Sonata GLS. It's a radical departure from everything I've ever driven! It has everything in it that I wanted and then some.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Hyundai has come a long way here in the USA since their first car, the Excel, debuted in 1986: they've made great strides in design and quality, and because I'd heard nothing but good things about them from people I knew who had them I decided I'd give one a try -- and I'm glad I did.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Oh -- in the 30+ years that I've been driving I've also owned two Fords, a Chrysler, a Suzuki, two Nissans, a Mitsubishi, a Pontiac, an Oldsmobile, and four Chevrolets. And I'm sorry to say but because of all the problems that the company itself has been embroiled in PLUS an extremely bad customer service experience I had with a local dealership, I will never buy another GM vehicle. I wish I didn't have to feel this way about an American company, but ...</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Bill W.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">I had been driving a 2008 Honda Civic LX for the last four years, and this past August I decided that it was time for a change. So I bought my first Hyundai: a 2013 Sonata GLS. It's a radical departure from everything I've ever driven! It has everything in it that I wanted and then some.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Hyundai has come a long way here in the USA since their first car, the Excel, debuted in 1986: they've made great strides in design and quality, and because I'd heard nothing but good things about them from people I knew who had them I decided I'd give one a try -- and I'm glad I did.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Oh -- in the 30+ years that I've been driving I've also owned two Fords, a Chrysler, a Suzuki, two Nissans, a Mitsubishi, a Pontiac, an Oldsmobile, and four Chevrolets. And I'm sorry to say but because of all the problems that the company itself has been embroiled in PLUS an extremely bad customer service experience I had with a local dealership, I will never buy another GM vehicle. I wish I didn't have to feel this way about an American company, but ...</span>
<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva;">Bill W.</span>
Tyler.
You are so correct. I personally love the Lincoln Town Cars and Cadillacs.
Every safety feature is there. There are so many airbags it's like being surrounded by a giant marshmallow!
I know VERY well how "unsafe" those big cars from the 50s were.
One July5,back in the '60s, a drunk driver ran a stop sign, hit our car head on. This was before DUIs, DWIs, lawsuits, Oprah!
The front seats was like a sofa "bench". There were NO seatbelts in the car... they came later.
We were hit so hard, I was thrown into the back of the front seat. I was seated in the back seat.
I ended up w/ a broken back. To this day, I have absolutely NO recollection of it at all. The mind CAN be very kind. When my mom died, I found all of the papers detailing the entire event.
I'm sure it's better I don't recall it. I DO remember wearing a brace for years, though.
So, yes, everyone realizes how unsafe older cars can be.
But, 1990s............. whole different story.
You are so correct. I personally love the Lincoln Town Cars and Cadillacs.
Every safety feature is there. There are so many airbags it's like being surrounded by a giant marshmallow!
I know VERY well how "unsafe" those big cars from the 50s were.
One July5,back in the '60s, a drunk driver ran a stop sign, hit our car head on. This was before DUIs, DWIs, lawsuits, Oprah!
The front seats was like a sofa "bench". There were NO seatbelts in the car... they came later.
We were hit so hard, I was thrown into the back of the front seat. I was seated in the back seat.
I ended up w/ a broken back. To this day, I have absolutely NO recollection of it at all. The mind CAN be very kind. When my mom died, I found all of the papers detailing the entire event.
I'm sure it's better I don't recall it. I DO remember wearing a brace for years, though.
So, yes, everyone realizes how unsafe older cars can be.
But, 1990s............. whole different story.
vacuumfreak95
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I have a 2003 Buick Lesabre with 81,000 miles. Soft ride and pretty good gas mileage.
kirbyloverdan
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I drive the inventor of gasoline powered automobile
And the pioneer of today's safety features in automobiles ,Numerous technological innovations have been introduced on Mercedes-Benz automobiles throughout the many years of their production, including:
The internal combustion engined automobile was developed independently by Benz and Daimler & Maybach in 1886
Daimler invented the honeycomb radiator of the type still used on all water-cooled vehicles today
Daimler invented the float carburetor which was used until replaced by fuel injection
The "drop chassis" – the car originally designated the "Mercedes" by Daimler was also the first car with a modern configuration, having the carriage lowered and set between the front and rear wheels, with a front engine and powered rear wheels. All earlier cars were "horseless carriages", which had high centres of gravity and various engine/drive-train configurations
The first passenger road car to have brakes on all four wheels (1924)[72]
In 1936, the Mercedes-Benz 260 D was the first diesel powered passenger car.
Mercedes-Benz were the first to offer direct fuel injection on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing
The "safety cage" or "safety cell" construction with front and rear crumple zones was first developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1951. This is considered by many as the most important innovation in automobile construction from a safety standpoint[5][verification needed]
In 1959, Mercedes-Benz patented a device that prevents drive wheels from spinning by intervening at the engine, transmission, or brakes. In 1987, Mercedes-Benz applied its patent by introducing a traction control system that worked under both braking and acceleration
an Anti-Lock Brake system (ABS) was first offered on the W116 450SEL 6.9. They became standard on the W12The (W211) E320 CDI which has a variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) 3.0-litre V6 common rail diesel engine (producing 224 hp or 167 kW), set three world endurance records. It covered 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in a record time, with an average speed of 224.823 km/h (139.70 mph). Three identical cars did the endurance run (one set above record) and the other two cars set world records for time taken to cover 100,000 kilometres (62,137 mi) and 50,000 miles (80,000 km) respectively. After all three cars had completed the run, their combined distance was 300,000 miles (480,000 km) (all records were FIA approved).[74][clarification needed]
Mercedes-Benz pioneered a system called Pre-Safe to detect an imminent crash – and prepares the car's safety systems to respond optimally. It also calculates the optimal braking force required to avoid an accident in emergency situations, and makes it immediately available for when the driver depresses the brake pedal. Occupants are also prepared by tightening the seat belt, closing the sunroof and windows, and moving the seats into the optimal position.6 S-Class starting production in 1979 and first sold in most markets iAt 181 horsepower per litre, the M133 engine installed in Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is the most powerful series production four-cylinder turbocharged motor (as of June 2013) and has one of the highest power density for a passenger vehicle.[75]
Half a century of vehicle safety innovation helped win Mercedes-Benz the Safety Award at the 2007 What Car? Awards.[72]n 1980.
Airbags were first introduced in the European market, beginning with model year 1981 S-Class.
Mercedes-Benz was the first to introduce pre-tensioners to seat belts on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pre-tensioner will tighten the belt instantaneously, removing any 'slack' in the belt, which prevents the occupant from jerking forward in a crash
In September 2003, Mercedes-Benz introduced the world's first seven-speed automatic transmission called '7G-Tronic'
Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), brake assist,[73] and many other types of safety equipment were all developed, tested, and implemented into passenger cars – first – by Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz has not made a large fuss about its innovations, and has even licensed them for use by competitors – in the name of improving automobile and passenger safety. As a result, crumple zones and anti-lock brakes (ABS) are now standard on all modern vehicles.
"The best or nothing "
"When only the best will do "
I love their mottos
Dan
And the pioneer of today's safety features in automobiles ,Numerous technological innovations have been introduced on Mercedes-Benz automobiles throughout the many years of their production, including:
The internal combustion engined automobile was developed independently by Benz and Daimler & Maybach in 1886
Daimler invented the honeycomb radiator of the type still used on all water-cooled vehicles today
Daimler invented the float carburetor which was used until replaced by fuel injection
The "drop chassis" – the car originally designated the "Mercedes" by Daimler was also the first car with a modern configuration, having the carriage lowered and set between the front and rear wheels, with a front engine and powered rear wheels. All earlier cars were "horseless carriages", which had high centres of gravity and various engine/drive-train configurations
The first passenger road car to have brakes on all four wheels (1924)[72]
In 1936, the Mercedes-Benz 260 D was the first diesel powered passenger car.
Mercedes-Benz were the first to offer direct fuel injection on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing
The "safety cage" or "safety cell" construction with front and rear crumple zones was first developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1951. This is considered by many as the most important innovation in automobile construction from a safety standpoint[5][verification needed]
In 1959, Mercedes-Benz patented a device that prevents drive wheels from spinning by intervening at the engine, transmission, or brakes. In 1987, Mercedes-Benz applied its patent by introducing a traction control system that worked under both braking and acceleration
an Anti-Lock Brake system (ABS) was first offered on the W116 450SEL 6.9. They became standard on the W12The (W211) E320 CDI which has a variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) 3.0-litre V6 common rail diesel engine (producing 224 hp or 167 kW), set three world endurance records. It covered 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in a record time, with an average speed of 224.823 km/h (139.70 mph). Three identical cars did the endurance run (one set above record) and the other two cars set world records for time taken to cover 100,000 kilometres (62,137 mi) and 50,000 miles (80,000 km) respectively. After all three cars had completed the run, their combined distance was 300,000 miles (480,000 km) (all records were FIA approved).[74][clarification needed]
Mercedes-Benz pioneered a system called Pre-Safe to detect an imminent crash – and prepares the car's safety systems to respond optimally. It also calculates the optimal braking force required to avoid an accident in emergency situations, and makes it immediately available for when the driver depresses the brake pedal. Occupants are also prepared by tightening the seat belt, closing the sunroof and windows, and moving the seats into the optimal position.6 S-Class starting production in 1979 and first sold in most markets iAt 181 horsepower per litre, the M133 engine installed in Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is the most powerful series production four-cylinder turbocharged motor (as of June 2013) and has one of the highest power density for a passenger vehicle.[75]
Half a century of vehicle safety innovation helped win Mercedes-Benz the Safety Award at the 2007 What Car? Awards.[72]n 1980.
Airbags were first introduced in the European market, beginning with model year 1981 S-Class.
Mercedes-Benz was the first to introduce pre-tensioners to seat belts on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pre-tensioner will tighten the belt instantaneously, removing any 'slack' in the belt, which prevents the occupant from jerking forward in a crash
In September 2003, Mercedes-Benz introduced the world's first seven-speed automatic transmission called '7G-Tronic'
Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), brake assist,[73] and many other types of safety equipment were all developed, tested, and implemented into passenger cars – first – by Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz has not made a large fuss about its innovations, and has even licensed them for use by competitors – in the name of improving automobile and passenger safety. As a result, crumple zones and anti-lock brakes (ABS) are now standard on all modern vehicles.
"The best or nothing "
"When only the best will do "
I love their mottos
Dan
ryan1994jeep
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Jeep All The Way
You can't go wrong with a Jeep. I had a 1994 Grand Cherokee that had 280,000 miles when I traded it in. Then I bought a 2007 Grand Cherokee that's fixing to roll on to the 200,000 club. I will always have one. It's never let me down or on the side of the road. I have to admit I am a sucker for a Chevy Tahoe, Range Rover,and Land Rover LR3/LR4.
On another note Jeep is supposed to be bringing back the Grand Wagoneer. I liked the Jeep Commander when it came out in 2006. I always thought they should have called it the Grand Wagoneer.
You can't go wrong with a Jeep. I had a 1994 Grand Cherokee that had 280,000 miles when I traded it in. Then I bought a 2007 Grand Cherokee that's fixing to roll on to the 200,000 club. I will always have one. It's never let me down or on the side of the road. I have to admit I am a sucker for a Chevy Tahoe, Range Rover,and Land Rover LR3/LR4.
On another note Jeep is supposed to be bringing back the Grand Wagoneer. I liked the Jeep Commander when it came out in 2006. I always thought they should have called it the Grand Wagoneer.
midcenturyfan
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I obviously agree that modern vehicles have infinitely better safety features than were available in the past. This is obviously a good thing, and I work in a hospital, so I see car crash victims.
However, I still enjoy driving historic vehicles, and I am prepared to accept the risks involved, in the same way that people that play sports, or climb mountains, accept the risks. This seems to offend some people. I have even had a lecture about the safety of classic cars from someone who rides a motorcycle.
Robin.
However, I still enjoy driving historic vehicles, and I am prepared to accept the risks involved, in the same way that people that play sports, or climb mountains, accept the risks. This seems to offend some people. I have even had a lecture about the safety of classic cars from someone who rides a motorcycle.
Robin.
That crash video involving the 59 Chevy vs the newer one makes me think of the head on crashes that used to be done with old steam locomotives that were going to be retired from duty and scrapped.It was a community event--everyone attended.The locomotives in volved often had rams welded onto them to rupture the boilers for even more effect-and danger.Have an old video of this somewhere in my collections of railroad videos.Quite spectacular-fortunately the audience was seated far enough away so they would not get hurt or killed.
Don't understand in the Mercedes post about the 6Cyl rail diesel engine.Loco engines are a whole diffrent beast than that used in cars.Were talking engines closer to that used in ships-often starting at 1500Hp to 6500Hp and up to 18 cylinders.The loco engine ran a generator that powered the locomotive traction motors that drove the wheels.the torque of the diesel alone could not start a loaded train-the motors could develop that torque though from the generator.First it was compound wound DC motor-now its VFD driven AC motors.At best that "small" 6 cyl engine would be used in a "doodlebug" car-powered passenger car that isn't pulled by a locomotive.Often on commuter trains.Often two or more of that sized engine would be used.Used like a traction motor.Each wheelset has one.Or that small engine could have other uses-Doodlebug trains for carrying rail maintenance crews,and on long freight trains for pumping air for the brake systems--"Compressor" car.And another rail use-very small yard switch locomotives for moving only one or two cars at a time-often in industrial rail yards.
Don't understand in the Mercedes post about the 6Cyl rail diesel engine.Loco engines are a whole diffrent beast than that used in cars.Were talking engines closer to that used in ships-often starting at 1500Hp to 6500Hp and up to 18 cylinders.The loco engine ran a generator that powered the locomotive traction motors that drove the wheels.the torque of the diesel alone could not start a loaded train-the motors could develop that torque though from the generator.First it was compound wound DC motor-now its VFD driven AC motors.At best that "small" 6 cyl engine would be used in a "doodlebug" car-powered passenger car that isn't pulled by a locomotive.Often on commuter trains.Often two or more of that sized engine would be used.Used like a traction motor.Each wheelset has one.Or that small engine could have other uses-Doodlebug trains for carrying rail maintenance crews,and on long freight trains for pumping air for the brake systems--"Compressor" car.And another rail use-very small yard switch locomotives for moving only one or two cars at a time-often in industrial rail yards.
I love seeing all the cars on this thread, and all the places they're located. Safety, I can remember reading that the 1956 Ford got some heat from critics and buyers because it was "implied" that the product was unsafe. Ford introduced the deep dish steering wheel, safety belts, possibly the padded dash, I'm just going from memory, I haven't done an in depth safety study. I was almost killed in a 1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera SL four door. It had the front safety harnesses mounted in the doors, and a big old fat airbag that helped chip my front tooth, and helped me get some fractured ribs. I'm sure the harness helped a lot too. Better than being dead though. I broke every bone in my right leg, and ankle. My Custom Cruiser has the belts anchored in the front doors too, and a thinly padded steering wheel center. I do not want to crash in that car.
Olds Custom Cruisers were the least luxurious of the 1977-1990 B bodied "box wagons" that we wagon nuts refer to the Pontiac Safaris, Chevrolet Caprice Estates, Cruisers, and Buick Estate Wagons of the same period. I looked at the Buick Le Sabre/Electra Estate wagons, the ultimate plushmobiles when ordered that way. You could get really cheap Estates with government fleet interiors and zero options. I even love the fake burled woodgrain they slathered their interiors with.
Olds Custom Cruisers were the least luxurious of the 1977-1990 B bodied "box wagons" that we wagon nuts refer to the Pontiac Safaris, Chevrolet Caprice Estates, Cruisers, and Buick Estate Wagons of the same period. I looked at the Buick Le Sabre/Electra Estate wagons, the ultimate plushmobiles when ordered that way. You could get really cheap Estates with government fleet interiors and zero options. I even love the fake burled woodgrain they slathered their interiors with.
suckolux
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I may be wrong, no really! But I think with Mercedes claims on the safety equipment their first was offering it as standard equipment and normally on the S class of course. We had traction control,anti lock braking and air bags here in the Early 70s, nobody wanted to buy them, they were optional.
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
Every single innovation starts
With the S class then the very next year it is applied to all of their models that's how it has been from the beginning but it always goes to all models .
Dan
With the S class then the very next year it is applied to all of their models that's how it has been from the beginning but it always goes to all models .
Dan
matt8808
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I've had a few cars over the years.
A late MK4 VW Golf - Was a superb car.
Volvo S40 (2003) - Was a superb car.
BMW E46 Facelift - Superb build quality but major reliability issues.
A battered 98 VW Polo - 180k on the clock and never let me down!
First car was a Pug 306 - I knew nothing about cars when I bought it. It was rubbish and I'll never buy another French car.
Have quite a thing for VW, Audi, Volvo, BMW ect..... I like the solid build quality you tend to get with these brands.
Currently have a R56 Cooper. Love it to bits. I drive for a living so wanted something fun for when I'm not at work.
So far it has 25k miles on it so it's still a baby.
Usual stuff on it that you'd expect from BMW group... Auto climate control, half leather sports seats, bluetooth, stop/start and my favouite bit about it - the John Cooper Works bodykit
Since buying I've changed a few bits... Had the alloy wheel colour changed and removed the white stripes from the bonnet. Also put my private number plate on it too.
The pic where it is all wet from being washed is the latest pic & how the car currently stands.
A late MK4 VW Golf - Was a superb car.
Volvo S40 (2003) - Was a superb car.
BMW E46 Facelift - Superb build quality but major reliability issues.
A battered 98 VW Polo - 180k on the clock and never let me down!
First car was a Pug 306 - I knew nothing about cars when I bought it. It was rubbish and I'll never buy another French car.
Have quite a thing for VW, Audi, Volvo, BMW ect..... I like the solid build quality you tend to get with these brands.
Currently have a R56 Cooper. Love it to bits. I drive for a living so wanted something fun for when I'm not at work.
So far it has 25k miles on it so it's still a baby.
Usual stuff on it that you'd expect from BMW group... Auto climate control, half leather sports seats, bluetooth, stop/start and my favouite bit about it - the John Cooper Works bodykit
Since buying I've changed a few bits... Had the alloy wheel colour changed and removed the white stripes from the bonnet. Also put my private number plate on it too.
The pic where it is all wet from being washed is the latest pic & how the car currently stands.
<a name="start_27824.311221"></a>"The best or nothing "
"When only the best will do "
That's why we drive a Ford...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
In seriousness though, over the past 7 years Fords have seen us through thick and thin and never ONCE broken down (and I'm not talking about new models, I mean older cars that you would expect to have issues). I can't comment on Mercedes', but I can be certain they couldn't do better. Maybe not worse, but certainly not better... The only difference is, they cost more!
"When only the best will do "
That's why we drive a Ford...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
In seriousness though, over the past 7 years Fords have seen us through thick and thin and never ONCE broken down (and I'm not talking about new models, I mean older cars that you would expect to have issues). I can't comment on Mercedes', but I can be certain they couldn't do better. Maybe not worse, but certainly not better... The only difference is, they cost more!
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
If I were to
Drive American it would be either a Ford or a Lincoln .
Never a GM with all the recalls and they're cars are just plain ugly no sense of style unlike the gorgeous Ford and Lincoln's of today .
Chrysler doesn't appreal to me just the Jeep Grand Cherokee that's it .
Dan
Drive American it would be either a Ford or a Lincoln .
Never a GM with all the recalls and they're cars are just plain ugly no sense of style unlike the gorgeous Ford and Lincoln's of today .
Chrysler doesn't appreal to me just the Jeep Grand Cherokee that's it .
Dan
rugsucker
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car safety/airbag trivia
Some great cars and info above.
Who can tell me when and what two full size cars had the first available airbags?(Not the test fleet studied by the insurance industry.)Also when the general idea of airbags was patented?Hint-Not the 90s or 80s.
To continue Mercedes safety features-
At one time the paint colors were rated for safety as being more or less visible to others in dark conditions.
The horizonal grooves across tail lights allow air and rain to clean them.and more.
Some great cars and info above.
Who can tell me when and what two full size cars had the first available airbags?(Not the test fleet studied by the insurance industry.)Also when the general idea of airbags was patented?Hint-Not the 90s or 80s.
To continue Mercedes safety features-
At one time the paint colors were rated for safety as being more or less visible to others in dark conditions.
The horizonal grooves across tail lights allow air and rain to clean them.and more.
