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I was talking with a dealer I know who told me that Royal will discontinue the metal body Royal upright along with parts for it.

Wondering if anyone else has heard anything on this.
 
I hope not!

Those are some of the best carpet cleaning vacuums available! I suppose we'll still have Kirby and (hopefully) the traditional Sanitaires.
 
That stinks. I have to admit I didn't really give much thought to the metal Royals, but I should have paid more attention to them. It's always bad when a classic gets discontinued.
 
@texaskirbyguy When they discontinued at the beginning of 2018 the verbal news we got from TTI as dealers if they just weren't selling. I can confirm that you'll be lucky to move one or two units a year in a retail store. But it seemed at the vdta that they were just giving the Royal line the complete axe. ESSCO is now the exclusive distributor for Oreck/Hoover. This might have something to do with their business deal.
I will say I saw some amazing prototypes from TTI I think we'll see some cool stuff coming this year.
 
I think the primary culprit behind this is the general public. People today are just not interested in these "old-fashioned" machines that aren't totally automatic. They probably consider them too heavy and too cumbersome also, if they encounter them at all. I doubt most people even know about Royal vacuums anymore. Royal didn't sell door-to-door so they didn't stay in the public mind like Kirby and Rainbow did.

The public just seems to want to steer toward cheap plastic vacuums so they don't have to maintain them and throw them away quickly.
 
This is sad news indeed!


 


I've owned a Royal Everlast 8300 for about 5 years now and it is a fantastic cleaning machine. It is as good or better than my Kirby Sentria at deep cleaning carpets.


 


I hope that spare parts will continue to be available.


 


 
 
Hate to say this but...

It is true. Where I've worked at, we haven't sold a metal Royal upright in YEARS. We are aware that they are perhaps the best deep cleaning vacuum on the market when it comes to carpets. But, consumers most of the time who would walk in not only want a vacuum that does excellent on carpets but also something that does well on bare floors, has on-board attachments, and something with better filtration for their allergies. That's why we favor Tandem Air uprights over metal Royals. I knew Royal went downhill anyways when they cheapened some of their vacuums and replaced them with other rebadged TTI products besides Dirt Devil.
 
Tolivac, you are thinking about the same way I am, which is why I am looking for confirmations from other sources. The metal Royals are still on their website, more for the pro and commercial users. Heck, shakeout bags are still an option!
I have seen where some dealers will ‘unpromote’ some brands/types/models in order to sell other more expensive/profitable ones. An older and wiser (the latter now questionable) lady that I had worked with in 2004 called her usual plumber about her water heater tank leaking. He responded that tank type heaters we obsolete, being discontinued, and tankless is the wave of the future. Therefore he said he could only install tankless. So she believed it and had it done or several thousand, including the special high-current wiring and service contract for routine descaling. I told her she was crazy but she insisted on believing him because they knew each other a long time. Just last year I had my tank-type heater replaced with another tank of same size. My plumber said they were not going away anytime soon and I had choices of many brands and sizes. Got a Bradford White 50 gallon gas unit for just under 1k.

Unfortunately, companies do well at brainwashing their customers, from automobiles to vacuums. The younger generation may not readily know that these old style metal vacuums could last for decades, clean very well and be very efficient. Most now accept the short life of appliances or else they would be buying vintage or high end. People are suckers for ‘high tech’ whether it works or not; the coolness factor always seems to win these days. I am one of the few who can see through the corporate BS and stick to what works best for me.

I do question how long Kirby will survive. They make a wonderful, reliable, tough machine, but the high prices, undesirable door to door marketing, weight, and dated looks are against them. However, it is hard to mess with something that has been proven for next to a century. I can only assume that most of their customers are in the higher working classes or the caretakers of large estates. They count on selling less units for more $. I bet if they move production out of the USA, they would soon sink.

Regardless, the 6 Kirbys I have will take great care of my property until I die. After then they will be sold to clean someone else’s homes.
 
Hey

Has anyone heard of berkshire Hathaway. I don't know maybe Warren Buffett the best businessman America may have ever seen. They are worth $300 billion with all their companies. TTI may be big but Mr. Buffett is not going anywhere.
I'd love to see Kirby buy royal vacuum and keep metal upright commercial vacuum cleaner in USA permanently.
Les
 
Royal

There is no other US based vacuum company worth anything. It was a thought nobody else has capacity.
Les
 
Sadly, it doesn't seem like Royal was trying very hard. It may be a good vac, but it's based on a design that's almost 100 years old. Consumers don't want to buy old stuff. And if they do, they'll buy actually old stuff. It's that simple. I suppose it is still a little surprising as I would have thought they still marketed/sold them for janitorial work. If they did, they should have plenty of business... but idk.

If you ask me, they were trying to milk the metal uprights for as much profit in sales and as little investment in development as possible, until they couldn't sell any more of them.
 
I’ll second that. New Royals look old coming out of the box. They are great vacuums, but non-enthusiasts are likely to think they are antiquated. In a way, they are.

When I was wheeling my cart carrying my 1998 1020Z to the counter at the Goodwill recycling center, an employee in probably his early twenties, like me, came up and excitedly remarked “Hey! You got a real old one. They don’t make those any more. Right on!”

To someone who probably doesn’t know anything about vacuums, the Royal seemed like a relic.
 
"Old","Antiquated" This is where the Royal dealer needs to DEMENSTRATE to the prospect why the "old school" design is BETTER.Remember a YouTube video that demonstrates this VERY well.Its again the DEALER needs to do his job in promoting and demo'ing these machines to customers.If the customer SEES the Royal doing a better job than the WalMart or whatever plastivac-MAYBE-just MAYBE the customer will buy the Royal machine.DEALERS---DO YOUR JOBS!!!!!!Than MAYBE the metal Royal uprights could get a reprieve-And yes--despite their old school looks and such Kirby is still going to survive-think the DTD is whats helping them survive.Customers can SEE the Kirby picking up stuff rather than just seeing the machine sitting on a shelf at a box store and can't try it.Remember a vacuum cleaner is a tool YOU have to try it like other tools.Like the tool displays at Lowes-you can see the machines---but can't TRY them!
 
No wonder

I cannot even search for a dealer on their website because of some error or billing issue. If they want to up sales then they should at least start taking care if the basics
 
Glad I bought mine

I got my lightly used on eBay. It is sad but I think it's just because of their styling. We all like modernized products, even decor. It's a niche market for those of us who would care about how well something performs. Most people don't shop at vacuum stores anymore, not mention would the seriously consider touching a royal in a store. I DO understand why they are on their way out the door because everything about them is "classic". Plus if someone did find them to be a neat gadget, they would probably be put off by the belt changes and noise. However I do love mine, glad I got one. The noise is t really bad for me because my house is smaller. It grooms well but the wheels ruin my beautiful carpet lines.
 
Ben

Stark museum I called asked on royal inventory and he said the only inventory was new inventory. The old manuals were thrown out and no records kept. This was in January.
Les
 
Sad...

I didn't know a whole lot about Royal and had never used one before either. Well, back in January I bought one -- a 1988 884 -- from a thrift store. I almost walked away from it as I had already found a Kirby Sentria a couple of weeks before, plus there was a Kirby Heritage II Legend sitting right next to it that I put into my cart. I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole of collecting a whole bunch of stuff, so I passed on it -- almost. I was taking the Heritage II up to the front to pay for it when I stopped right back around and came back for the Royal. I'm glad that I did.

I'm glad I bought mine. It's a great little machine and seems like it is just as reliable and sturdy as Kirby. It's very quiet, it's simple in design and it does a really good job.

I shudder to think about what plans Bissell has for the Sanitaire brand, since their main machines are based off of something from the 50's (40's?). I mean, commercial users don't care about flash and pizzazz like consumers do, but maybe Bissell will assume that commercial users want a rebadged PowerForce bagless. The cost of production for the Sanitaire F&G must be very low as the tooling had paid for itself a hundredfold, but maybe the material and component cost -- the steel handles and brushrolls, the cloth bag and a motor that's not the usual Ametek-style tank/bypass style -- may encourage them to just rebadge one of their consumer uprights.

It's scary to think about what may come of Kirby once Mr. Buffett passes and somebody else takes the reins of Berkshire Hathaway. Will they well off Kirby/Scott Fetzer? Will they decide to move production to China? Will they make radical decisions to get rid of the iconic cast aluminum design and plasticize the entire machine? I am looking forward to see what comes after the long run of G-series machines but am kind of concerned as well. I think that it would be wise for Kirby to look in to dealer networks, kind of like Electrolux, Miele and so on, while keeping their D2D sales network and putting more effort into cracking down on and wedding out dishonest distributors and growing and investing in productive and honest distributors. They could possibly look into having their machines sold at upscale/high end department stores with in-store demos, and if it works, maybe expand into midrange stores like Macy and Sears (if Sears is able to climb out of their problems).
 

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