marks_here
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Every time I hear/read the name "Roger" I think of Mr. Humphries of "Are You Being Served" when they switched departments to the toy department & he was demonstrating the Wibbly Wobblies 
BREAKING NEWS: Dyson gives Shark a you-know-what!
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sebo_fan
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Roger is also a member of this forum and he is known as sensotronic on here. He's been a member of this forum before you, Nic.
marks_here
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I have watched Roger's videos before. They are very informative & thorough & after watching them he leaves it up to you what to do with that information he has provided. That's just my opinion
godfreys_guy
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Wibbly Wobbly
And sit down and discuss how nice it is living in wibbly wobbly land....
But little do they know - Spencer the Spider...fancies roger, and comes up behind him and gobbles him up for lunch! But there is no need to worry - because Spencer the Spider doesn't really like the taste of Roger, so he spits him out!
And they all lived happily ever after for 3.75
And sit down and discuss how nice it is living in wibbly wobbly land....
But little do they know - Spencer the Spider...fancies roger, and comes up behind him and gobbles him up for lunch! But there is no need to worry - because Spencer the Spider doesn't really like the taste of Roger, so he spits him out!
And they all lived happily ever after for 3.75
That was a good video!
I never thought a cordless vacuum would work THAT well! That Vax picked up a TON of dirt from the carpets and floors in Roger's house.
Not having to hassle with a cord is vacuuming nirvana!
I never thought a cordless vacuum would work THAT well! That Vax picked up a TON of dirt from the carpets and floors in Roger's house.
Not having to hassle with a cord is vacuuming nirvana!
sensotronic
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The episode where they swap departments in AYBS? is one of my favourites, especially since I actually had the wibbly wobbly playground when I was a child. Being the BBC, they couldn't actually mention the real name of the toys which were Weebles. "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down."
What about Funtime Freddie who came with his own shower cubicle?
The part with the wibbly wobblies starts at 9:33.
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewIh2npscno
What about Funtime Freddie who came with his own shower cubicle?
The part with the wibbly wobblies starts at 9:33.
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewIh2npscno
super-sweeper
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It's vacuuming nirvana until the battery dies! You'll be running back to the cord!Â
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I'm free! Hahahaha love it 
sebo_fan
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I had Weebles. Weird hollow eyes but above all lots of fun!
sebo_fan
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There is no convincing here - but rather just another way to vacuum.
After all, look at robotic vacuums - how many members on here have them? I don't think many UK members admit to having any of them, let alone a few U.S members.
Id adore cleaning with my cordless dust buster for example. Would I go back to a dust pan and brush? To clean up crumbs behind food jars on my main work top? Why would I want to? Or cleaning behind delicate china with a long crevice tool on a dust buster - heck of a lot safer than trying to wedge a cleaning brush between them, only to find dust just gets moved around.
After all, look at robotic vacuums - how many members on here have them? I don't think many UK members admit to having any of them, let alone a few U.S members.
Id adore cleaning with my cordless dust buster for example. Would I go back to a dust pan and brush? To clean up crumbs behind food jars on my main work top? Why would I want to? Or cleaning behind delicate china with a long crevice tool on a dust buster - heck of a lot safer than trying to wedge a cleaning brush between them, only to find dust just gets moved around.
Super-sweeper, yes, that is true. With most cordless vacuums, you have to plug the charger directly into the vacuum or place the vacuum onto a charging cradle. But with the Vax/Hoover Air Cordless, it comes with two batteries which provide up to 50 minutes of runtime (25 minutes per battery). Both batteries are removable and are placed onto a separate charger to be charged.
Sebo_fan, i agree with you. I own a Black & Decker 20V dust buster with a removable battery. That thing is LOUD! However, it works well for quick cleanups. I've used it to clean up after my shedding Black Lab, Lady. A couple months ago, she was shedding like crazy! All I had to do was whip out that vacuum and suck up the tufts of fur on the carpet.
Here is a link to said dust buster on Amazon.com.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-...7&sr=8-4&keywords=black+and+decker+20v+vacuum
Sebo_fan, i agree with you. I own a Black & Decker 20V dust buster with a removable battery. That thing is LOUD! However, it works well for quick cleanups. I've used it to clean up after my shedding Black Lab, Lady. A couple months ago, she was shedding like crazy! All I had to do was whip out that vacuum and suck up the tufts of fur on the carpet.
Here is a link to said dust buster on Amazon.com.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-...7&sr=8-4&keywords=black+and+decker+20v+vacuum
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sebo_fan
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I actually find the Morphy Richards vac to be quieter than the Vax - but only just.
Morphy Richards?
Now what is this "Morphy Richards" vacuum?
Now what is this "Morphy Richards" vacuum?
marks_here
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Morphy Richards is like Sears here in the states...
sebo_fan
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The MR SuperVac is sold as Hoover Presto in the U.S - see link to another thread where I refer to it.
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?27155_14
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?27155_14
Oh
I see what you're talking about now! There are a few other 2-in-1 (stick with detachable dust buster) vacuums I've seen from Electrolux and Bissell.
Here is the Hoover Presto product information page on Hoover.com.
http://hoover.com/products/details/bh20100/presto-2-in-1-cordless-stick-vacuum/
I see what you're talking about now! There are a few other 2-in-1 (stick with detachable dust buster) vacuums I've seen from Electrolux and Bissell.
Here is the Hoover Presto product information page on Hoover.com.
http://hoover.com/products/details/bh20100/presto-2-in-1-cordless-stick-vacuum/
sebo_fan
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"review" now up and running at Ciao UK. http://www.ciao.co.uk/VAX_U86_AL_B__Review_6133988
sebo_fan
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The thing about this Vax is (and probably Hoover's Windtunnel Air Cordless) is that it is proposes a longer life based on the fact that the batteries are completely removable. This isn't a new thing because GTECH already produce removable batteries to allow owners to hang onto their cordless sweepers than unnecessarily replace the whole unit.
Of course the competition/other brands may well develop something similar to battle with the TTI Cordless Air in time. But for the moment, its a good machine in terms of those looking for cordless power for quick clean ups. I would suggest that those looking to use a Cordless Air in place of a mains vacuum would have to realise that there isn't that much suction through the hose and they may well have to invest in another battery and spare filter given the weekly clean required to keep the filter fresh and clean as suggested by the brands.
Of course the competition/other brands may well develop something similar to battle with the TTI Cordless Air in time. But for the moment, its a good machine in terms of those looking for cordless power for quick clean ups. I would suggest that those looking to use a Cordless Air in place of a mains vacuum would have to realise that there isn't that much suction through the hose and they may well have to invest in another battery and spare filter given the weekly clean required to keep the filter fresh and clean as suggested by the brands.
That's true
Most cordless vacuums have built-in batteries and have chargers that have to be plugged into the vacuum itself for charging. And when the batteries reach the end of their useful life, the entire vacuum will have to be discarded and the batteries recycled. With Bissell cordless machines, there are instructions in the manuals that show how to remove the batteries.
Yes, the Vax/Hoover Air Cordless would theoretically last a lot longer than other cordless machines. One configuration of the US Hoover model includes an additional filter, so the vacuum can be used while the other filter is being washed. As of right now, replacement batteries are only available through Hoover.com (US) and cost $99.00 each. Outrageous!
As for performance, yes, the Air Cordless is good if you just want the carpet to look nice before guests come over. It wouldn't be good for a home with wall-to-wall carpeting. As FantomVacuumFan stated in his video, the Air Cordless would be good for apartments and homes with hard floors and area rugs. He also said that it would be good for elderly people, too, due to the light weight, swivel steering and lack of a cord to trip over.
In the end, the Vax/Hoover Air Cordless shows that the idea of a full-sized battery-powered upright still has a long way to go. It won't (yet) replace a corded upright vacuum.
Most cordless vacuums have built-in batteries and have chargers that have to be plugged into the vacuum itself for charging. And when the batteries reach the end of their useful life, the entire vacuum will have to be discarded and the batteries recycled. With Bissell cordless machines, there are instructions in the manuals that show how to remove the batteries.
Yes, the Vax/Hoover Air Cordless would theoretically last a lot longer than other cordless machines. One configuration of the US Hoover model includes an additional filter, so the vacuum can be used while the other filter is being washed. As of right now, replacement batteries are only available through Hoover.com (US) and cost $99.00 each. Outrageous!
As for performance, yes, the Air Cordless is good if you just want the carpet to look nice before guests come over. It wouldn't be good for a home with wall-to-wall carpeting. As FantomVacuumFan stated in his video, the Air Cordless would be good for apartments and homes with hard floors and area rugs. He also said that it would be good for elderly people, too, due to the light weight, swivel steering and lack of a cord to trip over.
In the end, the Vax/Hoover Air Cordless shows that the idea of a full-sized battery-powered upright still has a long way to go. It won't (yet) replace a corded upright vacuum.
sebo_fan
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Well I have wall to wall carpet and I think the Vax Air Cordless works absolutely fine. I haven't watched that video, but mine works well on both carpet and hard floors. Funnily enough mine snags on rugs and mats that aren't heavy enough to lay on a carpet - bathroom mats with thin rubberised backings on lino for example appear to get sucked up the Vax and possibly because of no bars on the sole plate to counteract this.
The Morphy Richards SuperVac on the other hand just goes over the mats easily without sucking it up into its smaller dust channel.
I have since knocked one star off the Vax product though - primarily because suction through the short and difficult to manage hose is poor - fine for removing light dust but even with a full battery on board, it fails to move a hand sized mini turbine turbo tool. [this post was last edited: 11/19/2014-05:23]
The Morphy Richards SuperVac on the other hand just goes over the mats easily without sucking it up into its smaller dust channel.
I have since knocked one star off the Vax product though - primarily because suction through the short and difficult to manage hose is poor - fine for removing light dust but even with a full battery on board, it fails to move a hand sized mini turbine turbo tool. [this post was last edited: 11/19/2014-05:23]
sebo_fan
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Also your friend in the video relates to the filter differences on the Hoover Windtunnel Air and compares it to the Cordless Air - however he has got it wrong - the HEPA filter in the mains version is located above the main shroud at the top of the vacuum - not above the motor at the bottom of the mains vacuum.
It is not his fault entirely that he feels disappointed by the Cordless Air - it is down to both Hoover and Vax's claims that it is a full size upright that can do a large surface area - and thus falsely puts into the minds of its buyers that it can do the same job as a corded upright vacuum with a hose on it.
It is not his fault entirely that he feels disappointed by the Cordless Air - it is down to both Hoover and Vax's claims that it is a full size upright that can do a large surface area - and thus falsely puts into the minds of its buyers that it can do the same job as a corded upright vacuum with a hose on it.
"Now compare the Shark Rotator Powered Lift-Away on the same points listed above" okay
-Leaves behind dust on hard floors
Gives you hard floor tool designed for that reason
- Weaker suction at the head
Cant argue that
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Above floor cleaning requires carrying the heavy vacuum around
Not true at all can be placed on included caddy or left on PN
- "Advanced swivel steering" doesn't turn as well
Lift vacuum from wand and pn for better movement
- Narrower head doesn't have edge cleaning
Which is why they give you a crevice tool. Also most vacs dont have this
- 7 year warranty; but I'm not sure about long-term durability
Can outlast Warranty if properly maintained
Not saying shark is better than dyson but those points can be argued
-Leaves behind dust on hard floors
Gives you hard floor tool designed for that reason
- Weaker suction at the head
Cant argue that
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Above floor cleaning requires carrying the heavy vacuum around
Not true at all can be placed on included caddy or left on PN
- "Advanced swivel steering" doesn't turn as well
Lift vacuum from wand and pn for better movement
- Narrower head doesn't have edge cleaning
Which is why they give you a crevice tool. Also most vacs dont have this
- 7 year warranty; but I'm not sure about long-term durability
Can outlast Warranty if properly maintained
Not saying shark is better than dyson but those points can be argued
eaves behind dust on hard floors
Gives you hard floor tool designed for that reason -Dyson is more convenient, at a push of a button, you can vacuum hard floors instead of inconvenience of the shark, taking the wand off, etc
- Weaker suction at the head
Cant argue that - OK
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Above floor cleaning requires carrying the heavy vacuum around
Not true at all can be placed on included caddy or left on PN - OK I will give you that
- "Advanced swivel steering" doesn't turn as well
Lift vacuum from wand and pn for better movement- again less convenient
- Narrower head doesn't have edge cleaning
Which is why they give you a crevice tool. Also most vacs dont have this - cheap vacs also have crevice tools, and Dyson has it too, and Dyson can edge clean straight away, instead of releasing the wand which also takes longer on that than the Dyson wand, which can be ready to use within a second
- 7 year warranty; but I'm not sure about long-term durability - Same with Dyson, examples are the DC01 which is 21 and a half years old, and there are soo many still being used, and when they are on ebay, it is not because of a bad motor, its something simple like a cable connection (improved with a grommet later on) or a loss of suction (the main culprit is the sole plate, not the filters believe it or not)!
Not to say Shark is a bad vacuum, it seems like a very good machine for the price! Wouldn't mind having one TBH
Gives you hard floor tool designed for that reason -Dyson is more convenient, at a push of a button, you can vacuum hard floors instead of inconvenience of the shark, taking the wand off, etc
- Weaker suction at the head
Cant argue that - OK
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Above floor cleaning requires carrying the heavy vacuum around
Not true at all can be placed on included caddy or left on PN - OK I will give you that
- "Advanced swivel steering" doesn't turn as well
Lift vacuum from wand and pn for better movement- again less convenient
- Narrower head doesn't have edge cleaning
Which is why they give you a crevice tool. Also most vacs dont have this - cheap vacs also have crevice tools, and Dyson has it too, and Dyson can edge clean straight away, instead of releasing the wand which also takes longer on that than the Dyson wand, which can be ready to use within a second
- 7 year warranty; but I'm not sure about long-term durability - Same with Dyson, examples are the DC01 which is 21 and a half years old, and there are soo many still being used, and when they are on ebay, it is not because of a bad motor, its something simple like a cable connection (improved with a grommet later on) or a loss of suction (the main culprit is the sole plate, not the filters believe it or not)!
Not to say Shark is a bad vacuum, it seems like a very good machine for the price! Wouldn't mind having one TBH
Where is this thread going?
Sebo_fan, FantomVacuumFan is not my friend, but a YouTube user that I'm subscribed to. I enjoyed his videos about the various Fantom vacuums he's owned, hence his namesake. This guy is also a fan of Hoover, and has a Hoover Linx cordless stick vac, a Hoover Platinum Collection Windtunnel bagless upright and a Hoover Windtunnel Air (original model).
To clarify, on the corded Hoover Windtunnel Air, the filter located above the main shroud is a pre-motor filter, used as a second line of defense. The HEPA filter is located above the motor, and traps the carbon dust and so on.
As for the original subject about Dyson vs. Shark, I'd like to share my comments on those points:
Hard floor cleaning - the Shark includes a "Hard Floor Genie" tool which features a straight suction opening with a microfiber pad, which allows for vacuuming AND dusting hard floors. I agree, the Dyson is more convenient. Plus, with the active base plate, it'll pick up better on hard floors. Shark's dusting pad will have to be washed periodically.
Suction at the head - The majority of vacuuming is done with the main head, and that's where suction matters most. More suction allows for cleaner carpets.
Above floor cleaning - I think the Lift-Away feature and canister caddy are very cool, but I don't find them to be that convenient. I'd rather have the Dyson's instant release wand, even if it's plastic and lacks a handle.
Swivel steering - Dyson's Ball turns a full 90 degrees, whereas the Shark, with its wheeled power head, can't turn very well. But again, I don't find the Powered Lift-Away feature to be very convenient.
Head width and edge cleaning - The Shark doesn't clean edges well, due to the left edge of the power head, where the belt runs. Dyson's head is about 3 inches wider, so it gets the job done faster.
Warranty and longevity - Yes, both the Dyson and Shark are easy to maintain. Maintenance is basically the same for both:
- Empty the bin after every use or when it's full
- Rinse the filters under water every 3 months
Yes, the Shark does seem like a great value for the price! I would want to get one if I couldn't afford the Dyson.
Below is a still frame from the Dyson video, showing a comparison of the cleaner head width.
Sebo_fan, FantomVacuumFan is not my friend, but a YouTube user that I'm subscribed to. I enjoyed his videos about the various Fantom vacuums he's owned, hence his namesake. This guy is also a fan of Hoover, and has a Hoover Linx cordless stick vac, a Hoover Platinum Collection Windtunnel bagless upright and a Hoover Windtunnel Air (original model).
To clarify, on the corded Hoover Windtunnel Air, the filter located above the main shroud is a pre-motor filter, used as a second line of defense. The HEPA filter is located above the motor, and traps the carbon dust and so on.
As for the original subject about Dyson vs. Shark, I'd like to share my comments on those points:
Hard floor cleaning - the Shark includes a "Hard Floor Genie" tool which features a straight suction opening with a microfiber pad, which allows for vacuuming AND dusting hard floors. I agree, the Dyson is more convenient. Plus, with the active base plate, it'll pick up better on hard floors. Shark's dusting pad will have to be washed periodically.
Suction at the head - The majority of vacuuming is done with the main head, and that's where suction matters most. More suction allows for cleaner carpets.
Above floor cleaning - I think the Lift-Away feature and canister caddy are very cool, but I don't find them to be that convenient. I'd rather have the Dyson's instant release wand, even if it's plastic and lacks a handle.
Swivel steering - Dyson's Ball turns a full 90 degrees, whereas the Shark, with its wheeled power head, can't turn very well. But again, I don't find the Powered Lift-Away feature to be very convenient.
Head width and edge cleaning - The Shark doesn't clean edges well, due to the left edge of the power head, where the belt runs. Dyson's head is about 3 inches wider, so it gets the job done faster.
Warranty and longevity - Yes, both the Dyson and Shark are easy to maintain. Maintenance is basically the same for both:
- Empty the bin after every use or when it's full
- Rinse the filters under water every 3 months
Yes, the Shark does seem like a great value for the price! I would want to get one if I couldn't afford the Dyson.
Below is a still frame from the Dyson video, showing a comparison of the cleaner head width.
niclonnic
Have you used the new shark powered lift away? I doubt it, so how can you say if the features are convient or not? and the shark has a pretty quick release wand too. you literally have like 3 vacuums . are you just going by what the ads say on tv because if you have not learned this yet, it not all true! shocker i know! and dysonboy, sharks build quality is about 100 times better than dysons and thats a fact!
Have you used the new shark powered lift away? I doubt it, so how can you say if the features are convient or not? and the shark has a pretty quick release wand too. you literally have like 3 vacuums . are you just going by what the ads say on tv because if you have not learned this yet, it not all true! shocker i know! and dysonboy, sharks build quality is about 100 times better than dysons and thats a fact!
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You'll enjoy your time here!
I've never used the Shark Rotator Powered Lift-Away, but I have used a couple Shark vacuums at other places. Don't get me wrong; I liked the Lift-Away feature, but I thought that the vacuum pod would get heavy after awhile.
I'm going by not only the TV ads, but reviews online and such. Dyson vacuums have better build quality IMO. I don't care about the people who say that they're cheaply made etc. They just seem sturdier!
You'll enjoy your time here!
I've never used the Shark Rotator Powered Lift-Away, but I have used a couple Shark vacuums at other places. Don't get me wrong; I liked the Lift-Away feature, but I thought that the vacuum pod would get heavy after awhile.
I'm going by not only the TV ads, but reviews online and such. Dyson vacuums have better build quality IMO. I don't care about the people who say that they're cheaply made etc. They just seem sturdier!
sebo_fan
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One has to remember Nic that just because a design has everything in one, it isn't going to be automatically better. It depends on the user and what they are prepared to do.
Similarly, I owned a Vax Mach Air - similar model to the Hoover Windtunnel Air. Please don't try and tell me things I'm not aware of.
"...To clarify, on the corded Hoover Windtunnel Air, the filter located above the main shroud is a pre-motor filter, used as a second line of defense. The HEPA filter is located above the motor, and traps the carbon dust and so on..."
No. Not quite.
The filter on the original AIR design above the main motor is the POST MOTOR FILTER. It may well be a HEPA by design, but it isn't at the right place to clean the air! The top washable filter IS A HEPA filter that cleans the air, known as the PRE-Motor filter.
Similarly, I owned a Vax Mach Air - similar model to the Hoover Windtunnel Air. Please don't try and tell me things I'm not aware of.
"...To clarify, on the corded Hoover Windtunnel Air, the filter located above the main shroud is a pre-motor filter, used as a second line of defense. The HEPA filter is located above the motor, and traps the carbon dust and so on..."
No. Not quite.
The filter on the original AIR design above the main motor is the POST MOTOR FILTER. It may well be a HEPA by design, but it isn't at the right place to clean the air! The top washable filter IS A HEPA filter that cleans the air, known as the PRE-Motor filter.
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Nar the post motor filter is the Hepa filter. Most vacuums have the Hepa filter post motor. This will filter the carbon dust and the micro dust particles.
Some cleaners have an S class or Hepa filter as the Pre motor filter such as Sebo, this will give excellent protection for the motor but will allow carbon dust to escape from the less efficient post motor filter.
Some cleaners have an S class or Hepa filter as the Pre motor filter such as Sebo, this will give excellent protection for the motor but will allow carbon dust to escape from the less efficient post motor filter.
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The info they have given in the diagram is an error. The pre motor filter is not actually Hepa. It is just a washable filter to protect the motor.
The Hepa filter is the non washable filter above the motor. Vax will confirm this.
The Hepa filter is the non washable filter above the motor. Vax will confirm this.
