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beaters are good if you have a nice thick carpet, but if you(like me) have a very thin carpet then, lets say the hoover junior is kinda useless- a dyson is better for my needs, and the most aggressive vacuum i use it the hoover turbopower 1- thats just perfect.
 
My cheap cut pile lounge carpet has had that many different cleaners passed over it, and still has no ill effects - its had Dysons, Hoovers with beater bars, Kirbys, and others on a daily basis, and still looks great.
To vac a carpet anything less than daily when you have cats or dogs is lazy and unhygienic. I'd rather wear the carpet out a couple of years earlier through daily vaccing than have fleas and pet hairs everywhere.
 
Carpet manufacturers recommend a soft brush roll as a stiff one can damage and tear the carpet fibers. That is from the company's that produce carpets I think they would know. Some even go as far as saying that using a vacuum with a stiff brush roll will void the warranty.
Brush bars tend to spin at around 5000 rpm, Take a piece of soft string and put it into a drill and switch it on, If you had to touch that string you would get a decent smack on your hand, Now a drill spins at 2000rpm so now imagine a brush roll with stiff bristles hitting a carpet at 5000 rpm it can do some serious damage, especially on wool
 
So why is it the Hoover Activator brush roll was recommended by a carpet manufacturer when it had firm bristles and beaters?

Also, Hoover made the original Agitator brush roll for almost 80 years, surely if carpets were being damaged they wouldn't have lasted that long before people complained and stopped buying the cleaners.
 
Just a question, but What is the best vacuum for dust pick up?I find the DC07 best for my thin pile carpets and flat burber upstairs, however I keep hearing Dyson is terrible, What is good for us?
 
On hard flooring any vacuum that has suction is just as good as the other in terms of dust pick up but on carpet you need a good brush roll.

As such, Dysons do not have a good brush roll, you only have to look at one to see that.

I would say for the best cleaning of carpets the Hoover Turbopower 1 models would be the best as they are dirty fan and have the Activator brush roll.
 
well i think dysons are not good for fine dust pick up, off carpets anyway- they can handle surface fluff and debris but you need a hoover with an activator brushroll it picks minute particles up!!!
 
Well, if the activator was that good, you'd find them in the industry trade on carpets, but hate to say it SEBO rule the roost with their stiff bristles and not forgetting they do make a delicate brush roller incase you have thinner types or precious underlay. Their brush rolls however do not spin at the highest rpm, so its no wonder the industry love them. Carpets are groomed and cleaned well with SEBO brush rolls, yet they are also protected by them as there do not have beaters on them. Same with Oreck.

Jamie, you pose a good question on why the activator has been recommended by carpet brands. Possibly because Hoover paid these companies for the use of the carpet brand's name and in tow, the company would recommend Hoover for their activators? Hoover have been known to do this before with other companies as well as rather off-set ideas like British Allergy Foundation approved vacuums, on ones that are bagless cyclonics -yet we all know that bagless is far from hygienic when it comes the time to empty - and where is the BAF seal approval then??

I was looking through a lot of my old Hoover brochures of late. The Turbopower 2 and 3 series blurbs have to be seen to be believed - Hoover claim that the tools offer 180% more suction than using the previous vacuums Hoover sold, which kind of mocks the Senior, Junior et al before the TP2 and 3's came around.

One has to take things with a pinch of salt. For collectors, the difference is that we may well care for our carpets because of the range of models and brands we choose to collect. However to most buyers, if a Dyson seems to be the most technological brand around, they'll more than likely buy it regardless of the brush roll type.
 
Well actually the 180% more suction is probably true.

Yes the Seniors and Juniors are brilliant cleaners but have you used the hose on either?

What they probably did was compare the hose suction between the Juniors and Seniors to the TP2 and it doesn't take a genius to work out that the TP2 would have so much more.
 
Dyson can pick up some fine dust after one vacuuming, All Dysons seperate the fine dust from the larger particles :)

Jamie: Thank you so much for the recommendation :)
 
To answer your question - yes the suction on a Junior U1104 is feeble using the hose and pan converter. The Senior however isn't at all bad - not when you consider that once the converter is fitted at the back, it flicks a switch that puts the motor into a higher mode. Yes it may be noisier but the suction isn't that bad. No wonder Hoover tried at all lengths to sell their newer TP2s & 3s at that time - but to use "previous models" as a comparison must be a smack in the face for all collectors of Hoover classic models - as well as at that time, previous owners of previous models.

Also, Axminster also approve Sebo uprights...
 
I used

I used a Nilco bagged dirty air machine and was disappointed because i used my DC25 in the same building and it got a very very very full bin, full of this fine white power and dust, and i had a dirt devil handy zip but had a broken belt i was disappointed by it also due to its suction, I am now put off dirty air machines :(
They have 3 nilcos of the same design, and another clean air nilco but the hose suction was abit down and the power head motor does not work! nice design though
 
Tayyab - your question for "dust" pick up is slightly confusing. Dust to me is the stuff that moves around, requiring a suction hose and tools. Dirt pick up is where the stuff in carpets comes from or on hard floors. 


 


Whilst Jamie has his opinions, and as you have seen already Nilco vacuums generally use clean air systems, their box uprights are similar to SEBO but not the same machines. I have used a Nilco dirty fan upright vacuum before and they're generally just as great at picking up dirt - the one I tried many years ago simply didn't have the built in suction hose for "dusty" areas. 


 


 
 
Ryan:- Yes, I meant "dust pick up" by dirt in the carpets, I am suprised you find Nilcos good, however these ones I used are only about a year old and never get looked after,they even used one of them with a clog! They also had a VAX 6131 and that had t be binned due to too many parts cracked off and motor unit having to be taped together for safety, Now they have an Eco Henry which is the only descent vacuum they ever owned. PS- I love your collection, especially the Dysons.
Regards
 
That thought did cross my mind, VR. They did have a DeStijl DC01 but it had been sold last year and it had been back to them for a plastic part that had fallen off.

Yesterday they offered me a Hoover Vortex but it looked as if had won two wars and needed a lot of repairs done to it.
 
Ryan, That awesome! (the DC03 brand new) in my local shop they had a Dc07 allergy in blue and purple brand new but had gone, then they had about 6 DC03i's brand new! £179 each, I loved these but didn't get them as I had bad luck with my previous DC03. Another shop near me had a Dyson DC04 silver lime brand new £160 never got sold for about 5 years been on the shelf, We bought it and love it so much!
 

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