Bosch Injunction Against Dyson & Energy Labels

[sebo_fan]

Taken from news report online:

Bosch has obtained two preliminary injunctions against Dyson over what it claims were ‘misleading’ declarations on EU energy labels.

The models affected are the Dyson DC33c (pictured) and DC37c. Bosch claimed that, after testing them, it found discrepancies between the figures it obtained for dust collection on carpets and noise performance and those quoted on Dyson’s energy labels.

Bosch said it had carried out tests on many of its competitors’ product after the new EU laws came into effect on September 1. It passed the Dyson cleaners to an independent test laboratory, which, Bosch claims, confirmed that the Dyson cleaners deviated from the values stated on the labels.

Courts in Berlin and Cologne issued the preliminary injunctions, requiring Dyson to relabel the products in question by October 24 across all EU countries. The courts ruled that Dyson had “misled” consumers by infringing EU regulations.

A Dyson spokesman told ERT that the company had appealed the decision and that it is not saying any more until the case has been heard in court.

He added: “Dyson followed the EU regulations at the time of testing, however we believe aspects of Bosch’s testing did not. We stand by our tests, but will comply with the interim injunction, until the full case is heard.”

http://ertonline.co.uk/ERT Latest News/courts-hit-dyson-with-injunction-over-labelling.htm

 

[marcusprit]

This is what I suspected. Hope the EU will come to a conclusion that manufacturers will have to send their xlraners to an independent laboratory for testing. You can't rely on the manufacte.

 

[sebo_fan]

The EU should have put that in place to begin with. Instead it has caused a lot of confusion for brands, particularly when they can "make up their own stats."

 

[marcusprit]

Will Dyson now be sending Bosch cleaners for testing? Haha

 

[marcusprit]

Yes I completely agree. It's a farce. But it's what you'd expect from the EU!

 

[marcusprit]

Looks like Sebo and Miele have been more honest with their ratings than other manufacturers

 

[turbo500]

My face is currently the face of a person who isn't surprised.

 

[marcusprit]

It's a good thing though cause there's only one way it can now. A standardised independent test. Otherwise there's just going to be endless claims and counter claims from each manufacturer.

 

[sptyks]

The EU testing is similar to CRI in the US, except tht CRI uses an indepedent lab for vacuum testing.


 


 


http://www.carpet-rug.org/CRI-Testing-Programs/CRI-Seal-of-Approval-Program/Vacuums.aspx

 


And


 


http://www.carpet-rug.org/CRI-Testi...proval-Program/Vacuums/Certified-Vacuums.aspx

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually no, Stan - cast your mind back to the archive thread when we went head to head over CRI before. (Link to archive thread).

All CRI test is carpet performance - EU law tests on motor rating, carpet pick up, hard pick up, emissions, filtration, noise level and power used per year on usage.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?22773

 

[sptyks]

Well Nar, I don't want to repeat our argument of last year concerning CRI. We are each entitled to our own opinion.


 


But, however you look at it, CRI's testing is not cheap. It costs money to perform those tests, so if a manufacturer wants to have their vacuum tested by CRI, then they will need to pay for the cost of those tests.


 


I'm sure there has to be a good explanation of why the Sebo and Windsor got different results if those vacuums were indeed identical in every way. Keep in mind the Windsor is sold as a commercial vacuum so the tests may different for the two machines. Sebo was probably tested on household types of carpet and Windsor tested on commercial carpet, etc. This could cause the results to be different.


 


This makes perfect sense to me, so that's all I have to say about CRI.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but its not the same as the EU law or its tests - the only thing CRI has in common is the carpet performance testing.

Plus as you point out it is an independent testing organisation. However, for the moment the test data in Europe and UK is defined by the brands themselves.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Essentially, vacuum manufactures especially in the EU are at each other throats, trying to frame each other, all over this stupid regulation. Once there is an independent, unified testing body for these vacuums, then none of them have an excuses to pick at each other.

 

[marcusprit]

The problem with these so called independant companies such as The British allergy foundation, The asthma and allergy foundation of america, CRI etc is where do they get their funding from? Answer The manufacturers.
To be truly independent there would need to be a government funded or EU funded test facility then maybe we could trust the results
Until that happens I would take these tests with a pinch of salt

 

[marcusprit]

Even Which who get funding from subscribers I'm not convinced by. They shouldn't need back handers but their biased towards Miele makes me wonder
Plus a lot of their test results just don't make sense. Bit of incompetence going on there too

 

[super-sweeper]

I guess Dyson DOES do getting sued! hahahaha, this is hilarious, Dyson being caught in the act! and by little-known Bosch of all people! 

 

[vintagerepairer]

"I guess Dyson DOES do getting sued"

We shall have to see what the outcome is. If Bosch wins, this will be a first for Dyson. Personally, I don't think they will. However, I couldn't care less if I am proven wrong.

 

[super-sweeper]

Regardless, Dyson's getting sued, Dyson is getting sued! This is not a drill! 

 

[vintagerepairer]

I apologise

Yes, you are quite correct Super Sweeper, the Dyson company is being sued. What I was meaning was that Dyson typically does not do anything which would lead to this sort of activity and that even in this instance we will have to wait for the final verdict.

But yes, you're right that he is being sued, irrespective of the outcome. And please, I shall give you a vote for that last reply as it really made me laugh.