Bidding on ebay getting out of hand on a Eureka

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I've heard that too, Bill,

There is software and services out there to "do your sniping for you" Myself, I just use eBay's "Max Bid Amount." It's pretty effective most of the time.

It really is. I've got the junk to prove it! :)

And I would imagine our UK friends could tell us about the Humber Super Snipe!

John
 
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Oh man, Pete, that you bring that up!

Yeah, someone can come in there with Marie Antionette's infamous diamond necklace and be told it's worth 10 cents. The next person has a headlight bezel from a Trailways Bus and it fetches a fortune.

My favorite was watching one beautiful piece after another being dispatched to the less than $1,000 pit...then a lady trucks out what looks like an old chamois that was spurned even by rodents. When the appraisers saw it, by their reaction you would have thought it was the Holy Grail. It was valued at 10's of thousands because it was actually a tricorn hat from the Revolutionary War!

Go figure....

John
 
But even the sniping program you set your maxi bid to snipe at the last possible second so why not just put your maxi bid in. Still don't make no sense to me.
 
That is one of the reasons

I don't bid on ebay often, I have been "sniped" before and lost the item, my best friend was in a bidding war on a Eureka canister, that was from the 80's and ended up paying nearly 350 bucks for the damn thing, i told him for that kind of money, i could have gotten him a totally refurd Elux, which was WAY better than the Eureka vactronic he was bidding on. There was an Apple iPhone my friend was telling me about on ebay that sold for 975 dollars due to a fierce bidding war, I thought that was downright ridiculous, to force the bid that high when the damn thing only cost 249 NIB from Apple.
 
Lee how were you sniped? If the person who you say sniped you in the final seconds had put in that very same higher bid only a day before would you have bid again even higher to try and get it? And if you say yes you would, then why didn't you put in a higher bid in the first place?
 
Allowing yourself to engage in a bidding war is just plain foolish, unless you are bidding on one of MY items, in that case bid early and often!
 
Petek, what you don't seem to understand is that some people who "snipe" are willing to outbid you at any price. What good is setting a max bid, if they program their snipeware to outbid you anyway? eBay's not gonna condemn the practice, since it means a higher commission for the item sold, and the seller sure as hell isn't gonna condemn it either, since they're getting more money. It just means alot of heartache for the would-be buyer, and creates alot of unnecessary mean-spiritedness.
 
Petek

I was biding on an item and i set my max bid at 75 dollars, and 2 min before action end i was out bid, i raised it to 85 dollars and was still outbid by another bidder, by the time i could raise the bid again the auction had ended and the item was sold to an unknown bidder. I know that there is snipping going on on ebay, what's the point in even bidding if you have bastards like that that use snipping software to out bid everyone?
 
Lee you are making absolutely no sense whatsoever.. You just said you set your MAX bid at $75.
Then you say right after that within 2 minutes you were outbid so your raised it to $85.. but then before you could raise it a second time it was over and someone else won it.

If you were so willing to keep upping your bid during the final minutes then why didn't you put your highest bid at the beginning and leave it at that? You may have won it because now you don't know whether this so called "sniper" was willing to go much higher than what he went, his winning bid could have been his maximum.
 
The Trouble With Sniping Software:

Petek:

The problem with sniping software is that it can find the max bids of other people, and outbid it by the least amount necessary to win. It does this by raising the sniper's bid in small increments, very quickly, until it gets confirmation that it's high bidder.

Now, if someone bids a max of $100 on an item, and if there were no such thing as sniping software, then other people bidding might have their max take the item - and might not, depending on if their max was higher than anyone else's. But with sniping software, they're able to take the item by the very LEAST amount needed to win. This is what ruffles people's feathers about sniping software - it basically reveals info (other bidders' maxes) that traditionally has been secret, and outbids by only what's needed to rub someone else's face in the mud.

If eBay is so damn pleased with the effects of sniping software, then I say they should build it into the site and their auction process, so that everyone's on a level playing field again. The way matters stand, some people are playing fair by traditional auction rules, and some people are helping themselves to info they shouldn't really have.
 
Are you positive Sandy? I can't fathom information being held privately by Ebay somehow able to be read by outside parties or software. Surely if this was to be so some one or some law firm would have a field day taking them Ebay to court
 
Still I'm still thinking on this...
Regardless of what the sniper software does you don't know as a bidder what the person with the sniper software has their MAX set at.. for example this Eureka.. that person who won it against Lee most likely had a set maximum for it to snipe, Say $200.. well if Lee had put in his max bid days before at $225 he would have won that vacuum.
I don't for a minute believe that everyone using a sniper program has them set to continue bidding up endlessly, the majority of buyers have to have a limit somewhere. Of course there is going to be one person here or there who has millions of bucks and a $1000 bid on a $20 Eureka is pocket change to them but they are the rare exception.
 
Okay,

Lemme preface this by saying that I have been collecting vacuum cleaners for over 20 years and have been on almost every vacuum cleaner site on the internet that I could find at some point or another. I have had lots of opportunities missed, coupled with bad luck and timing when it comes to obtaining vacuum cleaners for my collection thru the obvious auctions,estate sales, garage sales, website purchases and so on and so forth.

I understand, TRULY; that finding vacuum cleaners today is harder than it once used to be. I and others here can possibly remember a time when you used to be able to walk into haunts, and other aforementioned places and literally fall over old vacuum cleaners. I know I used to.

That said for many finding vacuums thru places like e-bay have become an absolute necessity, because it's seldom the case that we ever can find what we're looking for here, or in places like sally Ann, Value Worlds and Villages and all other thrift, and junk type stores. . Seems that , as it should be people on the site here are very attached to their machines; and subsequently aren't really willing to part with them for any sum.

And that's perfectly okay...

That said, Occasionally on e-bay there comes a item that makes us salivate, and go crazy nuts trying to figure out a way we can come up with , and win said item. It's happened to me. even more rare is that once in a lifetime opportunity to buy said vacuum cleaner in NOS form, never touched by human hands, and boy does that make the auction site vibrate like a Vibra-Beat nozzle between all of us bidding for it.

I have been duped mightily by both sides of the coin, lemme explain.

I was one of the bidders on all three of the NIB Premier Swivel Top canister vacuum cleaner with Power Heads. I bid what I first thought was a "reasonable amount" and then as the price rose more and more, I literally ended up bidding a a few days salary, and chose to mortgage my life's basic needs and ostensibly my future of owning a car, and paying for an apartment to have one. I did not Need one, but I was drawn by the rarity of the thing, and the fact that I would be an owner of a NIB Premier Canister Cleaner. I bid what now I look back on , was a RIDICULOUS amount for the first and second machines, and did not even attempt to go there on the third try. Why because when you look back in hindsight, yeah you did not win the thing, but there will be others. It proves it self out time after time, and while maybe not new in box, you did not spend yourself broke trying to get it. Believe me it's far nicer to still be able to eat for a few weeks, drive around happily searching for the "real" finds, and not having it rain on you because all the underpasses are filled with out of work auto workers...in theory; than to own some shiny vacuum that to most of the world is nothing but an old klunker...EVEN in NIB format.

Then their the other side of the coin...

Years back, I was in a fierce bidding war to purchase a Penncrest Cord Reel Convertible that was offered up by another collector; and I became absolutely BLINDED by want and drove myself literally bankrupt for most of a month because I had to have this very machine. Subsequently the machine flew into the stratosphere and I still remained the top bidder because I literally bid a whole two weeks salary back then to win the god damned thing. When I got it, It wasn't what I'd hoped it would be. It WAS beautiful, and pretty, worked like a charm, was in excellent condition but it lacked one MAJOR thing. It wasn't anything more that a old Hoover Convertible with a cord reel on it. It had no special powers, and brought me a few weeks worth of pride of ownership. You know what happened to it?? Jeff Parker now has it in his collection, because in short order I hated myself silly for buying the thing, and again it wasn't doing anything more than picking up dirt, and when not in use, sat silently in the corner of my room like a totem pole. Yeah I loved the machine, but someone else who has a much larger collection and who just so happened to be missing a Penncrest badged machine, seemed like he could use it more. So he has it now.. The end..

Now getting to what I think the point of what Pete is trying to make is.... Regardless of sniping software used and allowed by Flea-Bay, you have "personally" set forth in your mind what you 'feel" you are willing to pay for the said item on the auction block.

Meaning, If you are only willing to pay the MAXIMUM amount of $75.00 for a new in box Eureka, and your outbid by 20,30,40, even a hundred dollars; it makes NO difference how that person who had the deep pockets got the auction to end.

You PERSONALLY made a choice to only spend said amount. If it was so near and dear to you, as he stated....You should have bid the most exorbitant amount that you possibly could have afforded , lets say $200.00.

If you were still outbid, that's the way the cookie crumbles guys. If you only have said amount to spend, and the auction closes for higher than your amount you have, and there are no more amounts forthcoming from you, YOU"VE lost the item, and the auction process ends.

So what if it "sniffs" out a max bid..that's the way of the world. Life is unfair. That's WHY as he was trying to get across, it seems pointless to get so angry and upset over something that you clearly had no control over.

A final thought is... If it bothers you so much that your always being outbid, set yourself up a "snipe' account. that way you are Never going to find yourself in this position of anger when you loose an auction thru the Bay...

Amen.
 
Good msg Chad, still regardless if the sniper account sniffs out your maxi bid the sniper has to decide also whether he wants to set his max snipe higher. Let's say you Chad are the sniper on that Eureka and you want it dearly but you only have $1000 and really know you can't go higher.. Me I want it dearly too and so 5 days before the auction ends I put in my max bid at $1500.. what are you going to do, reset your snipe to $1510 or walk away.
 
I don't think...

...the sniping software can actually figure out your max bid...it just races with you in a cyber ping-pong fashion until one or the other hits max bid. Now I do think whatever bid is in the system (max or not) when the clock stops ticking on the auction -- is the winner.

But that is totally up to the computer, neither snipe software or eBay's Max Bid can change that scenario.

Myself, if I see something I like...I put it on a watch list if it's early in the auction. I set my max amount about 5-10 minutes before the auction ends (unless I absolutely know I can't be at the 'puter when the auction ends). If I get it, great, if not -- something else will come along :)

And, if you absolutely, positively hate the bidding process on eBay, you can always filter results to dipsplay "Buy It Now" items.

Anyway, that's it for me on this topic....enjoy :)

John
 
Petek:

"Are you positive Sandy? I can't fathom information being held privately by Ebay somehow able to be read by outside parties or software."

Here's how it works: A buyer wants a Lux XXX real bad. The bidding is currently at $45, but what you cannot see is that someone has placed a max bid of $125 on eBay; that's how eBay works. Now, the buyer who wants the XXX so bad can bypass all that; he can set a max in his sniping software. Let's say $250 for the sake of discussion. Now, here's what happens at the end:

- The bidding is at $45.
- Some deluded soul bids $55 in hopes that will take the item, which it doesn't, because there is a max of $125 actually bid. The bidding goes up to $60 as a result of the $125 max bid.

Now, up to this point, everything's fair and square, okay? BUT -

Mr. Sniper turns on his sniping software, set to his max of $250. What his software does is to place incremental bids, very rapidly, until it learns that it is high bidder, at which point it stops bidding. That means two things. One, Mr. Sniper gets the item for $130 - $120 less than his max - and two, the previous max of $125 is, for all practical purposes, revealed to Mr. Sniper, because sniping software stops when it has won; Mr. Sniper now possesses information that was once strictly eBay's.

Without sniping software, Mr. Sniper would have to bid his max within the eBay system like everyone else, and would have to risk other bidders running up the price closer to his max, the way everyone else has to do . With it, he holds an advantage over other bidders that I consider unfair, both as to chances of winning the item, and sometimes, as to the final price.
 
danemodsandy:

That all depends on Mr. Sniper having deep pockets, because he runs the risk of a similarly-deluded bidder having bid $249, either manually or by software, just before his software enters his bid.

He may have won, but he's left to pay $250 for the Lux XXX. If he really was happy to pay this much, and bid $250 manually, long before the auction ended, he'd still have the upper hand because unless this Lux has generated a lot of interest, it's likely he'll win anyway.
 

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