Bagless Canister Design Question

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tylerawells

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So, it seems like now most bagless canisters are using a bottom hose insert (see example image of Hoover S3865 WindTunnel Anniversary Edition Canister).  Why are they doing this for bagless machines? In the 90s the Fantom Lighting (sample image provided from Google Images) had a top hose insert, and most of your bagged canisters also have a top hose insert. In my opinion the bottom hose connection makes the machine less versatile when you want to clean up high and the canister begins to tip back. Is it a way to increase cleaning power or just a way to get cheaper manufacturing costs?

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I know tom has said it before but

The fantom lightning had a weak airflow to it because of the narrow passageway into the dust cup at the very front you had this curved plastic piece which was the inlet and a guide for the incoming air.
 
@tyler

That's not a Hoover Anniversary Edition canister - the Anniversary Edition uses bags. The machine pictured is the Platinum Edition, which is an excellent vacuum but ONLY in the hands of someone who's careful, as the neck on the power nozzle is the weak spot.

Many people pull their vacuums by the hose, up the stairs as they clean. With a top mounted hose (like the Fantom), you had tremendous failure at that point - we replaced tons of the top handle and swivel assemblies due to failure at the swivel. With a bottom mounted hose, the machine can be easily pulled up stairs and is much easier to 'turn on a dime' than with the top mounted hose.
 
I know it is the Platnium series, its my daily driver - I don't know why I have been wanting to call it the Anniversary Edition. Thanks for the clarification.
 
The picture at the top of the page of that Fantom is the replica of the Dyson DC02 that the Americans never got. Mr Dyson must have sold the design to the USA, as Dysons were not available in the USA till after 2001 with the DC07.


The DC02 was not a popular vac in the UK and the DC05 which replaced it had the hose connection at the bottom of the unit as opposed to the top.


 


UK Dyson DC02:

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I believe the story as far as Fantom goes (and I just picked that one because it was the one I could remember off the top of my head for having a top mounted house insert) is that Dyson licensed the rights to manufacture and sell his technology under the Fantom name for the US & Canadian market. In 2001 when James Dyson got fed up with Fantom's greed ($75 for a HEPA filter etc...), he chose to pull the Licensing Agreement & move ahead with directly entering the US / Canadian market. Those early Dyson canisters are really neat looking.
 
I had a feeling I had heard something about what you said with the licencing agreements. Dyson thought Fantom were greedy did he? Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind lol


 


Early Dysons pre 2001 were very bright and colourful affairs, but the DC05 above (DC05 Clear) was not even available in the UK either. We got the DC03 and DC02 Clear but I think the DC05 clear was a Europe only limited edition.


The very early limited editions like the DeStijl and Antarctic Solo canisters will be very collectable in the future. The green DC02 shown above is an extremely rare DC02 ReCyclone, and one of these in excellent condition will be worth a fortune in the years to come.


Sadly Dyson has gone way downhill nowadays with build quality and the limited editions of the past are no longer available. Dyson has moved on from the lurid colours of the 90's and early 00's and quite frankly has become boring, with the model numbers changing that fast we will reach DC1,000 before long.


The DC08 (I think) was the most popular Dyson canister, and these still sell well on eBay today.


I just cant see the point of putting the ball on a canister vac, and its just a bit of a gimmick really. The Ball canisters and other micro canisters he designed seem very cheap and nasty, but the price is far from cheap!


 


This model was a very pretty affair and I always liked the DeStijl colour scheme - A DC02 DeStijl:

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I have never used a Dyson, but seeing these early models is pretty interesting. I do like the colors on the DeStijl model. I wish manufacturers as a whole would get back to bolder colors, now it's grey, black, or white and that's it.
 
Times and fashions have moved on, and Dyson now seems to be more into the technology and over-engineering of his machines.


The early models were simple and easy to repair and maintain, and quite frankly I liked them a lot.


Here's an example of other "Clear models" we got in the UK. These were really stunning machines to look at, and back in the 90's they were so futuristic they looked like machines off Star Trek.


 


DC02 and DC03(upright) Clear:

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The above DC03, was an interesting design as it had to canisters - one for the dirt and one for the oversized HEPA filters. Here is one belonging to me, in the standard colourway, next to a DC04 DeStijl. Both of these models were not available in the USA

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Here is a pic of the range from DC04, DC07, DC14 and DC15.


The DC04 on the left is another limited edition in magenta and purple - a very pretty machine.


The DC15 is the first Dyson that really became over-engineered and far too complex. The first of the Ball cleaners launched in 2005. From then on, colours became more dumbed down, and canisters became smaller, as people complained that they wanted more compact vacs.

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"as people complained that they wanted more compact vacs."

Is this really so? I was given to understand that it was James Dyson who decided what consumers wanted. That DC26 creation was to satisfy Dyson's desire to make a cleaner which would, inexplicably, fit on a sheet of A4 paper. Why this size, I don't know.

Also, the DC23 and 32 cleaner was not at all small in stature. I agree with all that has been said; Dyson cleaners are too over-engineered now. The ball-cylinder really is a gimmick. A longer hose would have made the cleaning process easier, more so than a ball. But where is the technology in making a hose longer?
 
Here is what I mean about dumbing down of colours - the DC19 here that I sold last year, is a revision of the DC08, but has now become more dull and dark grey. The wand also changed to all plastic and became to flexible as a result. The hose was also too short and it just didn't seem as good quality as earlier DC08's had been. I sold this vac as I just didn't like it in comparison to the earlier DC08 which had a metal wand, and the DC08 was also a more colourful model, although not as much so as the earlier DC05. Dyson rarely sold a power head model either in the UK, we always seemed to be offered turbo brush heads driven by the airflow.


 


The DC19 Animal:

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Benny - What I meant is that people complained that the DC15 was far too heavy, and other canisters too cumbersome to lug up the stairs, so Dyson set about making everything smaller and lighter. With the DC24 and DC50 and the DC26 (Wood and Wool) he went to far and made models akin to kids toys.
 
Hi there. Thank you for this, but what I mean is, to whom did they complain? Was it to Dyson? This I did not know you see, and I very much appreciate what you've said.

The 'dumbing down' of colours is merely an example of James Dyson taking a sensible business decision. Yes, the cleaners do indeed look much less vibrant and exciting, but I think the days when the "brand" needed to be promoted with a highly coloured identity is long gone. Also, the more models which use the same colour parts, the cheaper the process is, as there is no need to run off batches of coloured stock and then have the bother of storing them all ready for assembly, and further more for spares. It never ceased to amaze me the lengths which Dyson went to in attempting to colour co-ordinate his cleaners, right down to the mains leads. It was an expensive exercise and frankly was an over-kill. When the bulk of many of his cleaners was always grey, it was logical to use this colour as his base for all generic parts.

However, Dyson is of course not alone in attempting the co-ordinated route; whilst it was very common during the 1960's and early 1970's to do this, by the end of the 70's generic white parts were very much leading the way, with black and brown being added in the early 80's, if not before. In light of that, it surprised me a good deal in the mid 1980's to see Electrolux reverting to colour-matched tools on their 600 series, as did Hoover on their Total System models. Neither carried this forward to the respective replacement cleaners (Contour and Turbopower2). I would assume that as practically all other cleaners on sale at that time had black or grey tools, there was seen to be no need for colours.
 

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