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Yes the Aerus lux platinum was one I was looking at on YouTube just the other day. Very nice and now they have cloth HEPA bags instead of the paper ones. I wish we could get a few dealers over here that would import some of these cleaners. That would be great to see :-)
 
I have both types of machines & I do find it pretty good that you do not have to empty the cleaner as often with a bagged machine - in a Numatics case we tend to change the bag about once every 2 months.

The Vax Air3 I have I find quite convenient to empty but I do make sure it is held right in the bin & I shut the bin lid straight away, however I have not had to clean the filters yet & it performs just as well as when it was new :)
 
You have a Riccar Brilliance? Lucky you!!! Did you have to buy a huge Step up Transfomer cause of the Voltage difference?
 
Could you tell what is the suction through the hose like? I'm told it is not the best? Is it a noisy machine and what is it like for edge cleaning?
 
Bagged vs bagless

I think they are bith good in their own ways. Some may prefer bagless because of no extra costs (on certain cheaper models there are costs) and it is very easy to empty, and you can rinse the canister out if desired. It also means there are cyclones (on modern machines) so you do have advantages here and there. You can also see if you sucked up something you lost, like a missing earring, you can see how well the vacuum is working, you can watch the stuff spin around and it's not a bad design. Some bagless machines are good for allergy sufferers, such as Dyson, the trigger is right next to your hand, not down at the bottom. You can emoty the thing inside a bag (which are free from supermarkets) and throw the bag away. You then have an emptied canister, which can be washed at the users desire.

Bags are good for people with allergies, because there is no dust cloud, even on cheap Argos value range bagged vacuums. Some bagged machines such as Henry and other bagged uprights which are approx under the £120 mark release a puff of dust when the bag is taken off. This results in a dusty bag compartment which isnt very good. I have been told by fellow member Chris that the Miele bags seal when taken away from the machine, which is a good feature especially for allergy suffers as well asthmatics.

Occasionally, homes with moisture and a bagged vacuum can have bag odours in the vacuum, which isnt very pleasant. You also have to pay for the vacuum bags, somebody may not have internet access to go on eBay if they cant find the vacuum bag where they live. I saw somebody on freecycle giving away a vacuum because they couldn't find bags for it.

In summary, it is up to which one you prefer 😀
 
This vacuum is better than a modern bagless....

And I'm not kidding, either! It's called experience, and experience is a great teacher! But I guess you can lead a horse to water...Oh well, you know the rest.
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Parwaz - nice opinion but a bit too optimistic

Yes but people chuck out cheap upright bagless vacs if they can't source a belt for it locally. No different to turfed bagged vacs if they can't find bags for it. That's their fault at the time for not being able to research the product thoroughly and what consumables they might need.

After all you don't buy a table lamp and just rely on the special golf ball bulb it comes with at the time of purchase. You'll usually find buyers will have bought a spare bulb - same with vacuum bags and other consumables.

As for the lack of "dust cloud," from an Argos vac - that's all very well but what about the dust that clogs to the paper pleated filters or mesh filters? Same with just about any other bagless vac I can think of when dust gets stuck to the top of the shroud. Far more dangerous health wise than a "dusty compartment," in a bagged vacuum.

Also Hoover's Purepower at £79-99 has pull seals on the bag when it is taken out. Henry's HEPA Air Flow bags also have a seal. Not much of a heartache there compared to having to dismantle a filter shroud or pushing your hand into the bagless bin to pull clogged dust out.
 
I agree with you very much Nar, the cheap bagged vacuums with a filter in the bin are very very messy to emoty, and hair gets wrapped around those which is very dusty to remove. This is especially a problem with Vax bagless uprights such as the swift, and turboforce.

It had been years since I had a pure power, but as my Aunty, other Aunty and cousin own different types of Henry's, I can comment on the bags, and Hepa flos are used, they do have a nice rubber seal and a green tab which you push into the bag. Its a good vacuum and. I love it, but when. I take the bag off the black tube in the bucket, the dust can escape, but it's pretty easy to give the bucket a wipe or wash.

Regarding the cheap vacuum belts, that is very true, often they are not available in stores, and people dont have internet, and sometimes they are not available online which results in a useless machine
 
Yes but the dust channel hole has a rubber membrane seal, so even when it is pulled off the bag channel, only a little a little dust comes out before the seal pull covers the hole. Bosch also have bags like this for their cylinder vacs

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I prefer BAGGED. ...and something to Consider.....

Consider that most vacuum cleaners have been bagged from the beginning of thier invention.
I'm sure there is a reason for this. I would say that bagged vacuums will continue to be the majority in the future.
What do you think?
 
Well I wouldn't say that they were "bagged" from their invention in terms of using replaceable, disposable dust bags. My father's own Hoover Junior in the 1960s didn't come with a paper dust bag, but rather just used the outer bag for capturing the dust, thus constantly requiring it to be shaken out, creating lots of dust in the home and rather messy.
 
Nar, that's a really good point. The first Hoover with a paper bag was, I believe, the 1346 in the early 70's. The first Kirby with a disposable paper bag was the Tradition. Prior to this, they were all cloth shake out bags.

It always makes me laugh that disposable paper bags were put in vacuums to make disposal of the dirt easier and more hygenic, and then they were taken away again. Kind of a step back.
 
I agree, but then I have often wondered that with the inner shake out material dust bags that allow air to pass through, why brands haven't offered a triple layer bag whereby a fleece coating is provided and a paper bag inside?

I am pretty sure I once saw something like that on a Numatic commercial tub once (the big ones on huge golf bag trolley wheels.). I guess it is the expense and probably nowadays given the high filtration layers that most bags now have that it would eliminate the need for an outer permanent fleece lining?

Plus of course strain on the motor has to be taken into account I suppose plus restricted airflow etc
 
The Hoover 1346 was late 1950s and they had disposal bags as did the pink seniors.

All the juniors from 1958 onwards IIRC had paper bags.

It was the 1224 and 119 juniors which had shake out bags
 
I like bagless because I find them:

1) Good to see what I'm picking up and it makes me feel that I have not spend
25 mins of my time achieving little.

2) I like the 'No extra costs' aspect of things.

3) I like technology, always fascinated with how things work, so cyclones etc
fascinate me.


I like bagged machines because:

1) They are hygienic to empty, no messing around, no dust clouds or mess.

2) I have found bagged machines such as SEBO to be better constructed machines

3) A clean bag for me is like a clean start

4) Impressed with the suction power from bagged machines, even if there a tiny drop
when full.

5) Air fresheners in the bag like the SEBO fresh, smell lovely when vacuuming.

6) I've been able to vacuum builders dust without worry with a bagged machine,
though, really for that type of job, one should use an industrial type machine.

I suppose there are pros and cons to every type of machine and we all have different tastes and requirements but its good to see what others like.
 
The Hoover 1346 was late 1950s

The 1346 didn't come out until the early 70's. The 1334 came out in the late 50's and ran throughout the 60's. I know the earlier pink model had a shake out bag, not too sure on the earlier ones.
 
Always a hotly debated subject. But I go for Dyson. And for good reason. This is something I have experienced with our demo machines, we demo with sand, sawdust and cat hair.

The brands we represent:
Hoover: Typical pleated filter in budget models. The globe appears to have a design flaw, dust leaks from the lower half of the bin to the top half where the cyclones are. Not reassuring.

Vax: Pleated filters for basic models. Even the Air is poor. The Air Max Pet was demoed with cat hair, only found to be deposited on the filter.

Bosch: Again pleated filters. Not had much to do with these.

Samsung: Single cyclone and multi. The multi separation is poor, especially noticed on the upright. Sand leaked it's way through, and fine dust on the filter.

Shark: Single cyclone, very poor. Not sure how they get away with no loss of suction. The demo machine has a filter covered in dust, sand in the filter cavity.

Dyson: All demo filters clean. Washed on the odd occasion.

The point here is that Dyson have the best separation system available, even amongst multi-cyclonic. Dyson machines are demoed more than the others yet still have clean filters.

Given we only demo the machines for five minutes with a handful of dirt, I dread to imagine the efficiency of these machines in real life use.
 

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