super-sweeper
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It is a wonder how Dyson got approved by the British Asthma Foundation!
Bagged VS Bagless
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blackheart
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Bagged v Bagless
Gotta go with bagged machines i've owned several bagless ones including a fantom Cyclone XT, Dyson DC-07, 11, and 17, A hoover T series, a dirt devil vibe, shark navigator lift away, etc
Bagless machines have such complex airpaths which causes them to have poor airflow. out of all of the ones i have owned the T series had the most flow with a 3/10 on the baird meter.
Bagged machines often have a simpler air path and this allows them to have higher flow some examples include; Hoover windtunnels 8/10, Simplicity 7/Riccar 8900s 7.5, Electrolux olympia 4.5/10
When i had bagless machines, i would almost always take the bin to the garage to empty, and i'll tell ya when it's -30f outside it's not fun. The bins were dumped nearly every time any of them were used.
The only bagless system i like is the silver king, it's not a true bagless as it uses disposable filter pads
Gotta go with bagged machines i've owned several bagless ones including a fantom Cyclone XT, Dyson DC-07, 11, and 17, A hoover T series, a dirt devil vibe, shark navigator lift away, etc
Bagless machines have such complex airpaths which causes them to have poor airflow. out of all of the ones i have owned the T series had the most flow with a 3/10 on the baird meter.
Bagged machines often have a simpler air path and this allows them to have higher flow some examples include; Hoover windtunnels 8/10, Simplicity 7/Riccar 8900s 7.5, Electrolux olympia 4.5/10
When i had bagless machines, i would almost always take the bin to the garage to empty, and i'll tell ya when it's -30f outside it's not fun. The bins were dumped nearly every time any of them were used.
The only bagless system i like is the silver king, it's not a true bagless as it uses disposable filter pads
super-sweeper
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That air will be 1,500 times dirtier when you empty the vacuum, though! You could drop a sealed HEPA bag off a roof, with no problems. If you empty that Dyson 5 inches off the floor.you have a miniature dust storm! Happens with all my bagless models, it's that silly, inefficient bottom-opening dust bin that's too blame. Fantom, Amway, and Rainbow are the only bagless machines in my possession that have been (whether thoughtfully or on pure accident) designed to prevent this event.
super-sweeper
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....Ok then!....
I prefer bagless in just about any situation, especially with pets. If you have a pet that sheds a lot, a vacuum with a "pet" designation, such as a Dyson Animal, is the way to go. I think pet hair will fill bags very quickly, which means more frequent bag changes, and thus burning through money. I have been accustomed to bagless and have never owned or used a bagged vacuum in my current home.
However, a bagged vacuum has worked in one situation in the past: cleaning out a fireplace. Back in my old apartment, my family owned 2 vacuums: a Eureka Ultra ESP and a Fantom Fury. The Eureka had a hose that clamped onto the bottom, then my mom would use the hose to clean out the fireplace. She said that bagged vacuums make it easy to clean out fireplaces because all of the ash is locked in the bag and makes for easier disposal. Mom, at the time, used the Fantom Fury in that apartment with 3 cats and dark brown carpet. I now live in a home with a gas fireplace, so we don't have to constantly maintain it.
When the bin is full, I take it to the kitchen trash can and empty it. I prefer to do this after every single use, regardless of how full it is. I don't like having dust and dirt sitting in a bin or bag, which can potentially rot and result in bad odors. Then I follow the maintenance instructions in the manual or on the vacuum itself to wash the filter(s) as directed. I've never experienced a loss of suction on a vacuum with two or more cyclones. If you're cleaning up lots of pet hair, a bagless vacuum is much more economical.
However, a bagged vacuum has worked in one situation in the past: cleaning out a fireplace. Back in my old apartment, my family owned 2 vacuums: a Eureka Ultra ESP and a Fantom Fury. The Eureka had a hose that clamped onto the bottom, then my mom would use the hose to clean out the fireplace. She said that bagged vacuums make it easy to clean out fireplaces because all of the ash is locked in the bag and makes for easier disposal. Mom, at the time, used the Fantom Fury in that apartment with 3 cats and dark brown carpet. I now live in a home with a gas fireplace, so we don't have to constantly maintain it.
When the bin is full, I take it to the kitchen trash can and empty it. I prefer to do this after every single use, regardless of how full it is. I don't like having dust and dirt sitting in a bin or bag, which can potentially rot and result in bad odors. Then I follow the maintenance instructions in the manual or on the vacuum itself to wash the filter(s) as directed. I've never experienced a loss of suction on a vacuum with two or more cyclones. If you're cleaning up lots of pet hair, a bagless vacuum is much more economical.
daknx1994
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Bagged vacuums actually compact the dirt they pick up. I have one dog and one cat who both shed like crazy. One of my daily drivers is a Hoover Windtunnel (Bagged). Out of all my bagged machines it seems to have the smallest bag. However, one bag will last me almost two months before needing changed. This is with all of the foot traffic and pets in my house and the bags last way longer than I would anticipate.
super-sweeper
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Niclonnic, take that dirt your [BAGLESS VACUUM HERE] just picked up, and then vacuum it up with a bagged vacuum. notice a difference in size? that's because bagless vacuums "fluff" up the dirt and dust, thanks to all that lovely cyclonic action!
That poor Eureka, if this was one of the fan-first models, I can only imagine what that fan would've looked like!
That poor Eureka, if this was one of the fan-first models, I can only imagine what that fan would've looked like!
Wow...
Of course I've never used a bagged machine, so I was not aware of the "compacting" effect of bags.
Now I'm aware of a side effect of cyclonic technology: the rapidly spinning air "fluffs" out the dirt and makes it look larger than it actually is. Plus, lots of bagless vacuums have an inner chamber in the dirt bin, which itself takes up a lot of the bin's capacity, resulting in a smaller bin.
Of course I've never used a bagged machine, so I was not aware of the "compacting" effect of bags.
Now I'm aware of a side effect of cyclonic technology: the rapidly spinning air "fluffs" out the dirt and makes it look larger than it actually is. Plus, lots of bagless vacuums have an inner chamber in the dirt bin, which itself takes up a lot of the bin's capacity, resulting in a smaller bin.
Oh Super-sweeper...
I don't have a bagged vacuum, so I can't do what you've suggested.
I can't imagine what that Eureka would've looked like back in the day! It is a direct-air system. That vacuum's long gone...
I don't have a bagged vacuum, so I can't do what you've suggested.
I can't imagine what that Eureka would've looked like back in the day! It is a direct-air system. That vacuum's long gone...
super-sweeper
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You don't have A WHAT!? Somebody let this kid borrow their Montgomery Ward charge card, we need to show him what he's been missing!!
Hahahahaha!
I don't shop at Montgomery Ward! If I had to use a bagged vacuum, I would want to try a Miele S7260 Cat and Dog. It looks nice, but is expensive!
http://www.mieleusa.com/Product/Details/577
I don't shop at Montgomery Ward! If I had to use a bagged vacuum, I would want to try a Miele S7260 Cat and Dog. It looks nice, but is expensive!
http://www.mieleusa.com/Product/Details/577
Well...
I use my Model G Electrolux with the Automatic control set at 3, when it pops open, I throw away the bag, insert another and continue cleaning, I dont have to worry about loss of power or dirt flying, My 50 year old vacuum takes care of all that...AUTOMATICALLY!
I use my Model G Electrolux with the Automatic control set at 3, when it pops open, I throw away the bag, insert another and continue cleaning, I dont have to worry about loss of power or dirt flying, My 50 year old vacuum takes care of all that...AUTOMATICALLY!
super-sweeper
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You don't shop at Wards? that's ANOTHER thing we can change!
Say, here's your chance to try a bagged vacuum, AND shop at Wards! Tell 'em Super-Sweeper sent 'ya!
http://www.wards.com/Home-Store/Hou...ny-tidymaid-hepa-bag-vacuum.pro?omSource=SLI&
Say, here's your chance to try a bagged vacuum, AND shop at Wards! Tell 'em Super-Sweeper sent 'ya!
http://www.wards.com/Home-Store/Hou...ny-tidymaid-hepa-bag-vacuum.pro?omSource=SLI&
sensotronic
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I have a few bagless cleaners, but the machines I use for regular cleaning when I'm not chucking my bag of filth all over the carpet to demonstrate a vac for my Youtube channel are all bagged.
I recently had a Golden Retriever staying with me who sheds a load of hair, so I used a bagless to clean up after her and I always use a bagless if I have been using Sebo's Duo P cleaning powder. As I don't suffer from any allergies, the dust cloud when emptying a bagless doesn't bother me, but then it is very rare that I actually empty them into a bin as I tend to keep the majority of my dirt to use in demonstrations. I use one bagged cleaner to suck all the dirt out of the bagless bin so my dirt is hygienically stored until I need it for a demo.
So if I had to choose between bagged or bagless, it would be bagged and German every time.
I recently had a Golden Retriever staying with me who sheds a load of hair, so I used a bagless to clean up after her and I always use a bagless if I have been using Sebo's Duo P cleaning powder. As I don't suffer from any allergies, the dust cloud when emptying a bagless doesn't bother me, but then it is very rare that I actually empty them into a bin as I tend to keep the majority of my dirt to use in demonstrations. I use one bagged cleaner to suck all the dirt out of the bagless bin so my dirt is hygienically stored until I need it for a demo.
So if I had to choose between bagged or bagless, it would be bagged and German every time.
cb123
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I found that bag-less vacuums, generally, work best when they are inside a hefty bag, next to the curb on garbage pickup day....never no complaints, NO, not one!
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As far as filter washing is concerned. What about Dyson Cinetic? Not only no filters to buy no filters to WASH either? Wow how amazing is that? 
Dyson i take my hat off to you)))
Dyson i take my hat off to you
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And emptying the bin..... I use a bag that is very long in length, i hold the bag very tight around the bin so the dust cannot escape, press the button to open the flap, dump the dirt then seal the bag with a clip. I DO NOT come into contact with the dust. As i've mentioned i am an allergy sufferer and it has not affected me one iota!
And yes bagless machine will inflate the dust but they can't inflate the grit etc that some bagged machines i've used have left behind in my carpets.
Future Dyson models will all be "Cinetic" so no filters to buy or wash. I think that is something Dyson deserves credit for but i doubt they will get it on here.
I am happy to give any company credit when they come out with a good design or innovation
And yes bagless machine will inflate the dust but they can't inflate the grit etc that some bagged machines i've used have left behind in my carpets.
Future Dyson models will all be "Cinetic" so no filters to buy or wash. I think that is something Dyson deserves credit for but i doubt they will get it on here.
I am happy to give any company credit when they come out with a good design or innovation
turbo500
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Wow how amazing is that?
Matt, when was the last time you had to wash or replace a filter on your Kirby or your Henry?
Matt, when was the last time you had to wash or replace a filter on your Kirby or your Henry?
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A Kirby is a completely different matter being a direct air motor.
Kirby is a very well built machine and an excellent performer on carpet but we were glad to get rid of ours
The henry is a nice little reliable machine built in the UK. But it is not a deep cleaner.
Kirby is a very well built machine and an excellent performer on carpet but we were glad to get rid of ours
The henry is a nice little reliable machine built in the UK. But it is not a deep cleaner.
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But on 99% of bagged cleaners you will have to change the filters.
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But it is not a deep cleaner
What has that got to do with filter maintenance? It's still a vacuum cleaner and one that's far better than a lot of other straight suction cylinders available. And it has virtually no filter maintenace, which is the point I was making - I wasn't commenting on the performance of either machine, just the lack of filter-washing required to maintain the machine.
What has that got to do with filter maintenance? It's still a vacuum cleaner and one that's far better than a lot of other straight suction cylinders available. And it has virtually no filter maintenace, which is the point I was making - I wasn't commenting on the performance of either machine, just the lack of filter-washing required to maintain the machine.
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on 99% of bagged cleaners you will have to change the filter
My mother hasn't changed a filter on a vacuum in..well..ever. In the 17 years we had our Panasonic in daily use, it never once had a filter change. The bag went in the bin and that was it. When I got my hands on that cleaner in 2007 when it was finally replaced, the filters weren't all that dirty either, although I did replace them at that point.
Even with all those years without replacing the filter, the performance of the cleaner never dropped to a level that it didn't pick up. Our house was always clean and we vacuumed a lot, having 4 cats.
Filter maintenace on a vacuum really only became a more well known and regular maintenance task when Dyson hit the market and bagless vacuums became more popular. And infact, at the time Dyson launched in 93, dirty fan vacuums with absolutely no filter maintenance at all were still widely available.
My mother hasn't changed a filter on a vacuum in..well..ever. In the 17 years we had our Panasonic in daily use, it never once had a filter change. The bag went in the bin and that was it. When I got my hands on that cleaner in 2007 when it was finally replaced, the filters weren't all that dirty either, although I did replace them at that point.
Even with all those years without replacing the filter, the performance of the cleaner never dropped to a level that it didn't pick up. Our house was always clean and we vacuumed a lot, having 4 cats.
Filter maintenace on a vacuum really only became a more well known and regular maintenance task when Dyson hit the market and bagless vacuums became more popular. And infact, at the time Dyson launched in 93, dirty fan vacuums with absolutely no filter maintenance at all were still widely available.
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Well on my miele and sebo I'm happy to go by what the manufacturer recommend
Change the filters regularly to maintain peak performance. Filters will become clogged over time. That is a fact my friend.
If you are happy with your smelly bacteria infested bags rotting for months on end then good for you. I prefer to empty mine every week or every clean and wave goodbye to my dirt))
Change the filters regularly to maintain peak performance. Filters will become clogged over time. That is a fact my friend.
If you are happy with your smelly bacteria infested bags rotting for months on end then good for you. I prefer to empty mine every week or every clean and wave goodbye to my dirt
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That is a fact my friend.
Oh, I agree with you there. I'm meant to change the filters on my 2 Sebo's every 10 bags, but 10 bags last for years, per machine, so I change them annually. But you made the point of the Dyson Cinectic being "amazing" and, whilst it's a very clever design, I don't think it's all that amazing for a vacuum to have no filter maintenace. Many vacuums never did and there's still plenty of other vacuums on the market that don't, hence the example I gave you of the Kirby and the Henry.
As I've already said before, I much prefer for all the dust and dirt to be contained in a bag and to not come into contact with it. Whilst there may be bacteria in the bag, it's not escaping from the machine thanks to the S-Class filters and it's call containted within the bag, so I never come into contact with it.
I'd also like to point out that until recently, you were an advid bagged fan. As you've admitted, it's only since buying this DC41mk2 that your opinion has changed, so I find your statements very hyprocritical. Based on your own logic, for all those years you were using a bagged vacuum, was your house dirty and smelly from all that rotting dust in the bag, then?
Oh, I agree with you there. I'm meant to change the filters on my 2 Sebo's every 10 bags, but 10 bags last for years, per machine, so I change them annually. But you made the point of the Dyson Cinectic being "amazing" and, whilst it's a very clever design, I don't think it's all that amazing for a vacuum to have no filter maintenace. Many vacuums never did and there's still plenty of other vacuums on the market that don't, hence the example I gave you of the Kirby and the Henry.
As I've already said before, I much prefer for all the dust and dirt to be contained in a bag and to not come into contact with it. Whilst there may be bacteria in the bag, it's not escaping from the machine thanks to the S-Class filters and it's call containted within the bag, so I never come into contact with it.
I'd also like to point out that until recently, you were an advid bagged fan. As you've admitted, it's only since buying this DC41mk2 that your opinion has changed, so I find your statements very hyprocritical. Based on your own logic, for all those years you were using a bagged vacuum, was your house dirty and smelly from all that rotting dust in the bag, then?
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Haha yes I am still a bagged fan. I'm just teasing. I do like to be able to empty the dust weekly. All I'm really interested is the best performance easiest to manoeuvre and best filtration I can find. I don't mind if that is a bagged cleaner or bagless.
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The Riccar Brilliance is a machine I'd love to get my hands on. Tandem motors. Now that is a clever design and they use metal parts where needed. I'm really impressed by that machine.
turbo500
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There's a lot of US machine's I'd like to try - Riccar, Rainbow and especially the Aerus-Lux machines.
