Bagged or Bagless ?

[baglessball]

For goodness sakes, it's my opinion!

I don't want to spend money on bags. Have you ever cleaned up after a builder? They'll soon pop! I use hepa flow bags in my trusty Henry, and near enough every one has burst.

Buy yourself some talcum powder. Grab your 94 turbo 1000 and fit a new bag. Test the airflow. (put your finger in the tube so you can feel the air being drawn over it, rather than placing your hand over the nozzle and sealing the suction. Vacuum up the talcum powder. And test again. Listen to the motor pitch getting higher everything you vacuum up more powder. And then lastly, take of the bag door and look how bloated the bag has become, look at the inside of the bag door and see where all the dust has come through the bag onto the plastic.

If i use a bagged as a daily driver then it has to be a Kirby Miele. But again, bags are expensive!

 

[turbo500]

How often do you wipe your cleaners down?

I don't need to because they don't leak and get caked in dust. Only my older cleaners sometimes need a wipe if I've not used them for a long time.

Like jmurray, I've always had bagged vacuums. As has both my parents and most people in my family. Aside from the odd Dyson, they all still do. I hate the dustclouds, having to empty it everytime I use the bloody thing and having to wash the filters out. It's messy and unhygienic. Add that to the fact that Dyson are the only efficient bagless vacuum and are stupidly overpriced and cheaply made, then I REALLY don't want one. It takes me months to fill a vacuum bag and I've never had any issues with the suction dropping on the Sebo or on the Henry. 1 pack of 10 bags will last over a year. Hardly an expense.

 

[turbo500]

Have you ever cleaned up after a builder? They'll soon p

What the hell are you vacuuming up!?
I vacuumed my manky cellar out with Henry not so long back. The floor was covered in stones, dust, grit, mud etc and the bag was only half full.

 

[jmurray01]

My thoughts exactly Chris!

I've cleaned up all sorts (including mess left over from a builder) with my '94 Turbopower 1000 bagged and never has the bag burst or lost any suction.

And yes, I HAVE sucked up talcum powder when a whole bottle of it burst on the landing of our previous house and the Turbopower didn't loose any suction.

 

[baglessball]

So it's not unhygenic for you run a vacuum with the same bag it for months having mould, bacteria,food particles and god knows what multiplying in your vacuum only to be nicely distrubuted around the house everytime you clean? I dont think so.

Henry is used when I'm cleaning for people who hve had building work done. Or the car. And he has just been helping me decorate. I have ordered him a cloth bag. Something else for me to put on the washer.

I really don't find dumping the dust that much of a problem.. Sure you come into contact with it when you do, but that is muck that was already in your home anyway? Isnt the whole point of cleaning to remove the dirt out of home?

I can understand why people don't like bagless. So what? I do. They work for brilliant for me. Ask the member of your family who own them. Dumping the dust, bulk and weight aren't an issue for me.

I agree, they are too expenisve. I rarely buy them new. And you can't argue with a 5 year warranty.

 

[mark40511]

Isn't talc power or drywall dust or super fine powder of any kind actually TERRIBLE for any vacuum......Bagged or bagless?

 

[baglessball]

Funny that. Never loses suction? Then please be my guest to record the above instructions and post it on line.

 

[blackheart]

Fine powder

Any vacuum will lose airflow with fine powders i once put down some baking soda and used my DC-17 to clean it up when i was finished i was curious and put the Baird meter on the dyson and it did not register (usually at 1.5/10) once the filter and cyclone assembly were washed and dried the power came back to it.

 

[baglessball]

Mark40511

For killing suction?

My point was that IN MY EXPERIENCE I would prefer to use a dyson to clean an environment with this in,rather than a bagged machine.

I agree extremely fine dust shouldn't be vaccumed up but it can't always be helped..

 

[jmurray01]

"Ask the member of your family who own them."

I don't need to, because a couple of years ago my Grandfather bought a brand new Bagless Vax Upright cleaner and after a year he got rid of it and bought a bagged Miele cylinder cleaner because he was disgusted by the suction loss the Bagless had after only a couple of uses.

The Miele is still working perfectly with no suction loss by the way.

 

[baglessball]

I'm dyson bagless. Not Vax/Hoover/whatever else bagless..

 

[baglessball]

Mieles are good. But some of the bags do leak, they will lose some suction, and bags or Mieles are EXPENSIVE!!

 

[baglessball]

Mieles are great.

But some of the bags do leak, they will lose some suction, and bags or Mieles are EXPENSIVE!!

What makes you think that bags don't lose suction? Ask anyone.

 

[jmurray01]

Of course bags lose suction, but not at the rate Bagless cleaners do.

 

[baglessball]

Have you tried a dyson?

 

[jmurray01]

Yes - And it wasn't a patch on a Bagged upright.

 

[baglessball]

What model was it?

 

[turbo500]

Baglessball...

I have to say, if you want bagless, Dyson is the way to go. The cyclone design is unrivalled IMO. It's certainly the most efficient bagless machine you can get.

HOWEVER

that doesn't mean I like it. I've said it before and I'll say it again. James Dyson knows NOTHING about vacuum cleaners. He is an engineer - a very good one. His cyclone design works very well. But a vacuum needs more than just suction. Hoover had it spot on with lower wattage, dirty fan motors and an effective brushroll. The Dyson brushroll is one of the worst I have ever seen - 2nd only to the brushroll in Hoover "The One" machines. The bristles are too far apart and not dense enough and that horrid helix brushroll does nothing but shred carpet fibres. Remember, the brushroll is not just for sweeping up bits - it's meant to groom the carpet pile to prolong the life of the carpet. The naff brushroll isn't helped by the floating head design of the cleaner either.

I've found the whole wand and hose assembly to be a complete pain the arse. I want my tools to be at hand when I need them - I don't want to have to stop mid-vacuum to get the hose out and have to take half the bloody thing apart just to get up a few crumbs by the skirting board. I've also found the tools to be cheap and break easily, although improvements have since been made (I actually quite like the click-fit tools)

Also, I've found the build quality to be absolutely appalling, especially in proportion to the price of the machine. When paying £200 plus for a vacuum, I expect robust plastic and metal parts, not something that feels like it's going to snap in half if I get a bit rough with it (that actually happened to my Gran's DC15 - snapped clean in 2 around the ball assembly).

Add all this to the fact that I don't like emptying the damn thing OR washing the filters out (which I've found to be way too messy and unhygienic, although the filters on the DC41 look like you can just chuck them in the washing machine. A vast improvement!) and you've got a vacuum I wouldn't ever want to own!

Dyson need to stop trying to "improve" on their cyclone design. It's already very efficient as it is and the filter set up on the DC41 looks drastically more acceptable. Now it's time to start focusing on everything else that's wrong with the bleedin' thing, starting with that horrible brushroll

 

[turbo500]

Incidentally, my Grandparents have owned 5 Dysons since 1997. DC01, DC04, DC07, DC15 and a DC27. The DC01 never actually broke, but the suction dropped on it so much it didn't pick a thing up, despite regular filter changes. The DC04 and 07 both blew up and the 15 snapped in 2 and fell apart. The 27 is still in use, but now accompanied by a George, so it doesn't get used much anymore. I've used them all and none have impressed me for various reasons. A very good friend of mine has a DC26 Overdrive that's not bad, but testing at his house proved his Sebo X4 picks up more and the 26 leaves too much behind (though I'm presuming this is entirely due to the crap brushroll, as previously stated). I also owned a Dyson DC04 silverlime for a while and it was very average - nothing impressive about it.

Is it any wonder I stick to Sebo, Miele and Numatic for modern cleaners?

 

[hoovermanmick]

bag n bagless vacuum cleaners

hi. i hav got a hoover turbo power u 2194 my sister as a dc07i dyson year half old. she add new cream carpets down upstairs and onthe stairs the dyson add new filters in as well her carpets went dull when i use the turbo power on them they come back to life she was amazed what better job the turbo power did her mate all ways ues to take the mick cus i use a old cleaner an till she seen what a better job it did i do use gen bag s in it. and it add new motor in may. what iam get at his dysons are rubbish no matter which one you hav and bag cleaners are better thums up to the hoover turbo power 1 cant beat them

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