Argos now bringing in the new EU regs machines.

[sebo_fan]

We all know why you're doing that, don't we?

Please don't throw stones in glass houses, Steve.

You'll have to fill me in regarding why you think I am doing that - Its not as if ALL the members on there have left VCCL. I believe some of them visit a lot of the posts and still contribute on here.

As usual, it isn't quite true what you are saying. You are inferring that others have left here, that I am "poaching" members, which means they would have to be LEAVE here COMPLETELY when in reality they haven't.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I don't keep suggesting members leave VL to join the "FB" group do I sebo_fan. You want to try to kill off UK participation on VL - that's how it seems to me, or else you wouldn't keep suggesting how wonderful this "FB" group is to people. Roger was the last one you attempted to recruit, you tried to get Olly, madaboutsebo, and others, and now they hardly post here. Interesting you always email them the details of the FB group, rather than post the link in posts, almost as if you didn't want me to find out about the group details.

 

[sebo_fan]

Not as white as you make out, Steve.

Steve - I still have the rude messages you sent to me - and I have already screenshot this conversation before and after your edits.

I haven't blocked you (btw you dont need to be a member to have that a feature) but at the same time, its about time you realised that you are not on your own in this forum and that you are not the voice of experience where UK collectors are concerned.

Isn't it about time you apologised to everyone on here that you have upset? Instead you seem to be displaying certain characteristics of a slight sleazy nature siding with the younger members on here.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Rude messages - and I still mean them - and they were sent due to your own behaviour toward me. I will not apologise to members who deliberately post against me and attempt to belittle me in public. By implying I am a paedophile is a very serious implication sebo_fan, as I'm sure you know.

 

[turbo500]

attempt to belittle me in public

I think you do a good enough job of that yourself, without our help...

 

[suctionselector]

Guy's...

... please, I know this is going to sound daft but please behave yourself!


 


From what I am aware this forum is a brilliant place for vacuum collectors, but recently I have noticed - and I assume some others have as well - that there has been an increase in verbal conflict through SOME of the posts.


 


I don't want to side with anyone on this, and I know that this is ironic from a young collector, but please, try to be nice to one another. There aren't that many people in the world with the same hobbies as all of us, so we should all try to appreciate who each other are, and our alike-ness, even if we have different opinions on one another, which some of us do, just for the sake of the vacuums in our spare rooms, loft's, garages or wherever you keep yours, try to get along, as from what I have read most of you seem to be a nice bunch.


 


Thanks


 


P.S: Webmaster, sorry if my post seems a bit forward, but i'm trying to restore peace to this nice and helpful website.


 

 

[madabouthoovers]

There was no verbal abuse before Turbo500 came on and deliberately attempted to cause another argument. Rob then came on and sided with Chris, as they are both members of the same Facebook Vacuum Collectors group. Nar has been deliberately trying to kill off participation of UK members on VL for a couple of months now. I am sick and tired of these 3 UK members constantly attacking me in posts and trying to cause friction. Once again, its the same 3 people (All members of Robs Facebook group for UK collectors) who have turned my thread into a vicious personal attack on me.


 


So what I am saying is that I don't set out to cause arguments - there was no bother at all with this thread before Chris had to come on with personal insults and criticisms directed at me, which he has done on numerous occasions, when all he had to do was hide my posts using the available feature. As I cannot private message Nar nor Rob Stubbs because they don't contribute towards their memberships, what choice do I have other than to respond in the forums, and when they have read what I said, I edit it out.

 

[turbo500]

Joe, I completely agree and well said! But there's a limit as to how much people can take.

This thread is a prime example of MadAboutHoover's behaviour on this forum. Here, has made a very missinformed, uneducated assumption regarding the new low wattage vacuums that are about to hit the market based on his own political beliefs regarding the current UK pro/anti EU debate and not based on the cleaners themselves. He is also encouranging panic-buying high wattage cleaners.

When challenged on his view (and I don't think I was rude in doing so at all, at least it wasn't intended to be), he could offer no evidence to support his view or indeed any statement to back up his point, instead he resorted to turning this conversation into a rant against a Facebook group. At no point was there any "deliberate attempt to start an argument", I was challenging the views of another vacuum enthusiast, because I thought he was wrong - isn't that pretty much what happens in every thread?

Instead of blocking me and slagging of Nar, if Steve had been willing to contribute to some sort of discussion to establish how he has reached the view he has, this entire thread would never have happened, beyond about 3 posts.

This is just the latest in a long line of rubbish from the fingers of MadAboutHoovers. I can't think of anyone he hasn't pissed off. He talks about being belittled, and yet all he's done since joining VL is force his opinion on others, shouting the odds, making inappropriate comments, belittling the views of anyone who doesn't agree with him (regardless of who they are), name calling and starting petty arguments. Not to mention the constant post-editing in a desperate attempt to make himself look victimised. I can think of at least 4 people that screenshot his posts incase he edits them.

It's all getting a little bit ridiculous.

And since Steve has decided to go off on one yet again about the Facebook group, I'd like to point out a few facts:

- It isn't Rob's group. He is 1 of 3 moderators on it.
- A LOT of UK members here are on it - myself, Nar, Rob, Beko1987, Ry_Ry87, sensotronic, SeamusUK, Andy-Lux and indeed Joe (suctior) are all members, plus many others.
- there is absolutely NO vendetta for "poaching" members from here. 80% of members on the Facebook group are on and post on both sites.
- the Facebook group mostly exists between UK members that all know eachother and we use it mostly to arrange meets and trade/buy/rehome vacuums than anything else. There is a natural banter that goes with that.

 

[sebo_fan]

Nice try but I still have screenshots from when you were rude to me in several threads, Steve and that was WELL BEFORE I JOINED ANY FACEBOOK GROUP.

I also have screenshots where you rallied around younger members on here when Lucy from Newoldcleaners had originally posted the thread about the original, brand new condition vacuums that were listed on here. You rallied around younger members on here to pressurize Lucy to cut the price down.

I am sick to the death of your constant lies, and constant errors in the posts that you contribute to. You do not relay experience but rather shoot from the hip.

Im tired of your false accusations and I am further sickened continually to be cut down by you and your insulting nature and obtuse comments in other threads. You've done that to me WELL BEFORE I had any involvement with anyone else outside this forum.

Grow up!

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well, sebo_fan, why don't you just simply go to my profile, then click on "hide this members posts" - and then you and I will never have to cross swords again. That's what the feature is there for. Oh, and perhaps you should stop keeping advertising Rob Stubbs' Facebook Group to UK members, and saying that  its "more personal than VL"  as that could be seen as troublemaking as well.

 

[turbomaster1984]

I could understand

that if I was such a nasty person that I wouldnt have quite the number of REAL TRUE friends I have.

Sure I've had my moments on this forum but then I know everyone does.

What I dont get is that if I was such a vile bile spewer why 25 odd people turned up at my home last weekend to a, come and see us and b. have a great time with me.

Lets have a definition of rude....

I invited Steve to visit me when I lived near him and on the morning he was due I went off to the local shops and bought in a fresh cake and milk, biscuits and some lunch goodies. Not a fortune but things I perhaps wouldnt of bought given i'd invited him over for the day.

Given I was at the shops I didnt exactly have my laptop on early morning and when I got home I set about checking some cleaners to make sure they were ready to use.

Time came for Steve to arrive and when he didnt left it a while before sending a text to make sure he was ok. No answer.

It went for a few hours until I got a text saying he wasnt coming and that he'd emailed me at 6am that morning to explain why.

Now I dont begrudge anyone earning aliving but the excuse that "I was up all night fixing a Dyson to sell" isnt that great an excuse especially given that if Steve was so short of cash he could of text a day or 2 before letting me down.

Also If he didnt fancy coming over for whatever reason then why not say?

The fact he hasnt met me in person means that his assumptions about me are based purely on whats been said here on this forum. Granted some things come across not the way intended.

Steve block me, ignore me do whatever. Your loss is nobodys but your own.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well I haven't had any reaction from any other member, Steve. Just you.

May I remind you that this is a public forum. YOU are not a moderator. YOU are not in charge and YOU don't speak for the 100s of UK collectors who either choose to use this forum or join another.

Until you get that right to retain an administrator seat on this forum, then perhaps you should pipe down.

 

[suctionselector]

Thanks Chris.

Joe? I think your getting your J's confused! It's Jacob!


 


I didn't really want to get involved with it all, but as I said, I didn't want to see this forum turn into a mess of arguments.


 


I didn't think you Chris, or Nar or Rob were trying to be rude whilst talking to Steve, just being honest. But that is just my opinion.


 


I just don't understand where Steve gets this from, from his above post.  '<a name="start_25305.284347"></a>There was no verbal abuse before Turbo500 came on and deliberately attempted to cause another argument. Rob then came on and sided with Chris, as they are both members of the same Facebook Vacuum Collectors group. Nar has been deliberately trying to kill off participation of UK members on VL for a couple of months now.'


 


I know neither of those three above, Chris, Nar or Rob, have been verbally abusive. Fact.


 


No offence Steve, but neither of those three have been verbally abusive.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

As to carry on from what suctior (sorry I don't know your name) I have noticed increased conflict over the past few months. I'm not siding with anyone here but VL used to be a nice place with lovely forum members. But this is a forum, of course, where different opinions clash, but they seem to be taking over.

Both madabouthoovers & Turbo500 helped me when I needed it (& that wasn't about vacuum cleaners) so I know that you two can get along, but as suctior has said, we should all try to be civil despite our different opinions.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Sebo_fan - Who started all this off again? Chris posted what I regarded as a very rude response towards me, to which I told him I was blocking his posts. Then Rob Stubbs posted in a very rude and personal way towards me, then you came in to wield the axe at me. Before Chris, Rob and yourself started the nastiness, this thread was perfectly civil. All 3 of you don't like me, OK, but you just cant wait for any excuse to lay into me, and that's been simmering away for months now. If you don't like what I post - hide my posts, or stay posting in your Facebook group, where I'm not welcome.

 

[sebo_fan]

In a previous thread you blocked Kirbyloverdan, of whom has FAR more vacuums than you have and only put across an opinion you didn't like.

Kirbyloverdan is one of the most respected members on this site and yes, him and I have had previous disagreements over certain brands - but I give the guy the time of day and I respect his opinions. I don't keep going on at the wound to get my point across.

 

[madabouthoovers]

As I said before - The blocking feature was added to VL for that very reason - to hide posts from members whose style you don't like. I didn't like his style, nor the way he spoke to me, showing total disrespect, and I'm not bothered how much money or how many vacs he has.

 

[sebo_fan]

Furthermore, blocking everyone on here will allow your opinions on posts to be seen and not anyone elses. That's really quite stupid and pointless. Particularly when you are seeking opinions in the first place.

I have never disliked a member since I have been a member of this forum and I was here before you. Chris and Rob were also members on this forum since 2007.

I have disputes with members off here where opinions are concerned. I think I am allowed that and so are you. But I don't block a member because of a mere disagreement unless it gets abusive.

However, what has been simmering for months now is your repeated attempts to get your point across. If you don't like it, to hell with anyone else. You personally may feel that people hate you, but I don't think you've helped yourself, there, Steve.

 

[sebo_fan]

No you're not bothered about how many vacs someone has, but they may have a deeper insight into ACTUAL OWNERSHIP. A point you seem to be missing over blocking someone.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I haven't blocked everyone. I have very few people on my hidden members list. I hide the posts of those people who I see as just downright rude or those who post nonsense. I wont argue with Chris or Rob Stubbs any more. I've had enough of them, which is why I blocked them. Most people here are polite and respectful, as I am, until someone crosses me, and I wont tolerate it any more.


 


I respect people like John Long who doesn't shove what he owns in my face, and he is pleasant and polite, even though he owns hundreds of vacuums. He is a model member on VL. He has never once been rude to me, and I respect his vast knowledge. That's the difference.