Are ST Style Bags Good

[henriquesousa7]

I'm Planning To Replace The Shakeout Bag On My Sanitaire Sc886 To A ST Style Bag System Because I'm A Huge Allergy Sufferer! ST, Good or Bad. And How Do I Install It?

 

[eurekastar]

All you'll need to do is purchase one of these. The ST bag adapter then slides onto the exhaust horn. I once found one online. I'll search around and see if I can't find it again.

http://www.centralvacuumstores.com/...ommercial-Outer-Bag-with-Zipper-E-53506-1.php

 

[eurekastar]

It appears that this bag assembly already comes with the ST bag adapter.

http://www.vacpartswarehouse.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=53469-23

 

[vacuumfan96]

Bag conversion

I had converted my eureka to accept kirby bags and that had made a MAJOR improvement in airflow and filtration!

 

[stricklybojack]

Cheaper options

My link is to the ST bag conversion at sears for $50...
I have an F & G sanitaire 670 (nice blue & chrome one) & a shake out sanitaire 888 (the wide red & chrome one). i'm going to buy the ST bag conversion, but what machine should i put it on?
i could make my 888 an F & G, & make the 670 the ST or vice versa...although the aforementioned plan mixes up the OEM color scheme, the 888 is old faded & will probably be sold whereas the 670 is a daily driver at my mothers house.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...9x00001a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=SPM5819332301

 

[vac-o-matic]

Kirbyvertibles(Phillip) got me the conversion tube from somewhere, that will convert any F&G bag tube to use the ST bags, and yes, they come in paper and cloth, and I have used the cloth bags and they're awesome, and sooo much easier to change than the old style. You could buy the most inexpensive F&G replacement outer bag you can find, then convert it over and would probably be less than the one above in the link, I would think.

 

[twocvbloke]

I got a complete bag assembly for my Electrolux C12, the double-zip job with the ST filltube, and that thing is just as insane as it was with the shakeout bag, and the bags are just the best, they just breathe so well while filtering to a high standard, they're just brilliant...

And be aware, the ST filltube will NOT fit "any" F&G filltubes, they will only fit *genuine* Eureka/Sanitaire F&G tubes, the generics are slimmer and thus the base of the ST tube will not seal properly (I have a generic bag and I have tried it, despite being told before about it, and the ST tube does not stay put), it only works on the real deal...

You may aswell buy the whole bag assembly in strictlybojack's link, it makes the conversion simpler and makes your vac look newer (my C12 looks all nice and new with it's Sanitaire ST bag!!), and installing is easy as pie, just remove the old bag, and fit the new one in it's place...

And a pic of the C12 to show how nice it looks with it's ST bag:

 

[stricklybojack]

F & G conversion

okay @vac-o-matic i'm picking up what your laying down...ha ha.
see link for F & G (i think it doesn't actually say) bag conversion for $30 delivered.
It does say "assembly" & i think that's important as there are plenty of very cheap replacement sanitaire outer bags to be found, but they lack a fill tube of any kind, neither the short F & G or the long ST one. I think a OEM ST style fill tube cost nearly $20 delivered so seems my original Sears link is better as the ST bag has the nifty double zipper for easier bag changes. But I did find a Kobelenz ST style on Ebay for $20 delivery (to the USA, as is everything i post, sorry you English blokes & others vac fans world-wide). see this link for that:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Koblenz-Clo...&otn=21&pmod=330272183436&ps=54#ht_1785wt_922

looking to see if this Kobelenz does indeed take an ST inner (paper) bag. Kobelenz's are Sanitaire knock offs in the first place so it's good guess.



http://vacuumsupplystore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=22532

 

[twocvbloke]

That pictured bag is an F&G version, but will of course happily take an ST tube, and looks nice on blue-line Sanitaires...

There is/was a seller on ebay with all three colours of the new-style ST bag assemblies, they come in Red, Blue and Black/dark Grey, as per the F&G bags, but all have the same screen-print on them, I'm just looking for it now...

(And as for international postage, that's where having helpful friends in the US is handy for such things!! )

 

[fantomlightning]

Converter

This is the fill tube converter from the last thread it was recommended in

http://www.vacpartswarehouse.com/Eureka-Electrolux-Sanitaire-Dirt-Tube-Overmold-A-p/77491.htm

 

[stricklybojack]

@vacuumfan96

Which model Eureka vacuum? What type/model Kirby bag? was it an easy trade? in short could you flesh out your intriguing comment with these & other details please, (where did the idea come from? what type of carpet is being vacuumed etc.).

Another Sanitaire knock-off (or even re labeled Eureka's not sure) is the Oreck upright commercial line of vacuums (see link).
Outer bags come in various versions like Sanitaire, but seem cheaper in price however.

So we have Sanitaire, Eureka Commercial (Sanitaire's parent company), Oreck, Kobelenz, & lets not forget Powr-Flyte! (seems to be Kobelenz brand vacs relabeled). All seem to be nearly the same vac especially where the outer bags are concerned. & i'm not even an old timer vac guy! (btw lets here from one of you'all on this pls).

Lastly there are many "Bojack" bags for the standard Sanitaire as it is probably the most common commercial vac in existence...or at least once was...these probably cost the least, but rarely seem to come as assemblies with tubes for inner bags, but rather simply shackout style bag replacements.


http://commercial.oreck.com/prod_more_info_or_series.html#choose_model

 

[twocvbloke]

I modified my ZC-880 to take Kirby bags, it's not hard to be honest, just attach a Heritage-style filltube to the F&G tube with a couple of zip-ties, and the top can be either the Style-3 or the F-style adaptor, I used a long zip-tie to hang it from the 'taires bag-spreader dowel (gotta love wooden parts, like a 2CV's "block 'o wood" wheel chock for replacing wheels), worked great until I ran out of Kirby bags (at the time)...

I would show a picture, but, I can't find them.... :S

 

[eurekastar]

Using Kirby bags

If I had to guess, you could use the older wire reinforced fill tube from Kirby and attach it to the exhaust horn using the bag spring and some zip ties. Then just attach the bag adapter to the top and you're in business. If I had an old Eureka, I'd try that!

 

[twocvbloke]

Found the pics, the main one being the F&G to Kirby tube one:

 

[twocvbloke]

And the other pic:

 

[tolivac]

ST BAG

AWESOME performance on my Sanitaire Contractor model SC883.My machine came with the ST outer bag.works super!!Like the idea of the Kirby conversion---less bag types to carry -Kirby disposable bags can be versatle-use them on other vacuums.I have some Eureka and Koblentz vacuums that use F&G bags-would be nice to convert them to the Kirby bags.The vac dealer near me has plenty of Kirby fill tubes.For ST bags-use the Eureka Arm and Hammer Filtrete bags.The more I use the Eureka with the ST bags-more I like it.Kirby is getting a rest for now.

 

[twocvbloke]

How about a Hoover Junior with Kirby bags?

(same filltube assembly as the 'taire above)

 

[twocvbloke]

And with the outer bag (made from an old pair of my trousers) covering the Kirby bag:

 

[tolivac]

I have only seen one Hoover Jr like the ones pictured-went under the name of Lark-and it was built in England.Very nice machine-owned by one of the Greenville Sew & Vac customers-Mike tried to get it as a trade in toward another vacuum-the customer didn't want to give it up.also have a red Lark cloth bag and the inner paper bags for it.Came from the Chocowinity,NC swap shop-again you never know what they get in-the owner of the place gave it to me-saying"I remember you collect vacuums-maybe this would be of interest to you"The bags were in a box-from the Washington, NC Furniture Fair store-1958.Too bad I don't have the vacuum that went to that bag-the Lark appears to be a nice little vacuum.How well does it do with a hose?I am figuring on the one pictured the hose inlet is behind the front panel on the front of the floor nozzle?I remember somewhere reading about making vacuum bags from pants fabric and from jean fabric.Besides being tough-filters well.Good the Kirby bags can work with the Hoover Lark-Jr vacuum.Hope Mike has a good supply of Kirby fill tubes!Remember he has them in his parts.