Anyone else think the pre "ball" Dysons had better Bin/Cyclone designs?

[cheesewonton]

Just once, I'd love someone to clearly show a repeatable methodology anyone can follow to reproduce a 'clog' using the machine as intended and instructed by the manufacturer. I mean, clogs are easy to make if you abuse or neglect a product, but that doesn't count. Interestingly, such a method has never materialised despite all the claims. Funny that...

The poor design of the suction hose segments from the nozzle base to the bag chamber of my Riccar Vibrance clogs routinely. The hose segments are oriented with the male side facing into the airflow. Hair and and other small debris jams into the sharp exposed joint and jams form. If Riccar had reversed the orientation of the male and female connections on that hose there would be no jams. The Panasonic Jet Flo design the Riccar Vibrance is a copy of doesn't have those joints in their suction hose and they don't suffer jams. As it is now the vacuum is self jamming so I don't use it.

 

[cheesewonton]

That one is basically similar but double the price. Makes no sense to me paying extra for it.

Double the price of what? A Kenmore or Panasonic branded vacuum that is no longer made? Have you seen the prices those budget lime green and orange Kenmore canisters are fetching on eBay lately? More than double the prices I paid for mine on clearance at Sears and K-Mart. If you want that design then Titan is the only game in town now. Still less expensive than a bagless Miele and arguably a better vacuum.

 

[panasonicvac]

Double the price of what? A Kenmore or Panasonic branded vacuum that is no longer made? Have you seen the prices those budget lime green and orange Kenmore canisters are fetching on eBay lately? More than double the prices I paid for mine on clearance at Sears and K-Mart. If you want that design then Titan is the only game in town now. Still less expensive than a bagless Miele and arguably a better vacuum.

The Kenmore 22614 is still available to get. I'd buy that over the Titan anyday. But thankfully I don't need either one because I already have Rainbows that I personally like better. Not to mention I'm not a canister or even a bagless fan myself.

https://www.amazon.com/Kenmore-Bagl...ea13da1828fe22942aaabf2&qid=1754595270&sr=8-8

 

[cheesewonton]

The Kenmore 22614 is still available to get. I'd buy that over the Titan anyday. But thankfully I don't need either one because I already have Rainbows that I personally like better. Not to mention I'm not a canister or even a bagless fan myself.

https://www.amazon.com/Kenmore-Bagl...ea13da1828fe22942aaabf2&qid=1754595270&sr=8-8

Hmm. I didn't realize they were still being made. Thought it died when Panasonic stopped making Kennys.

 

[vac14012]

Have you personally used one? How effective are the cyclones are keeping the filters clean? There's virtually no reviews on YT for it, or much of anywhere, seems kinda under the radar compared to their other models.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

The poor design of the suction hose segments from the nozzle base to the bag chamber of my Riccar Vibrance clogs routinely. The hose segments are oriented with the male side facing into the airflow. Hair and and other small debris jams into the sharp exposed joint and jams form. If Riccar had reversed the orientation of the male and female connections on that hose there would be no jams. The Panasonic Jet Flo design the Riccar Vibrance is a copy of doesn't have those joints in their suction hose and they don't suffer jams. As it is now the vacuum is self jamming so I don't use it.

I can see that. Although, I don't think they're referring to hose clogs. The allegations are often towards clogs in cyclones—hence the claims of being a "royal pain to clean out". It's this I reference my previous comment towards.

 

[vacerator]

Just once, I'd love someone to clearly show a repeatable methodology anyone can follow to reproduce a 'clog' using the machine as intended and instructed by the manufacturer. I mean, clogs are easy to make if you abuse or neglect a product, but that doesn't count. Interestingly, such a method has never materialised despite all the claims. Funny that...

They had two dogs that shed profusely. Her husband was a jerk who didn't know how to properly maintain anything. He even managed to break their Kirby.

 

[panasonicvac]

Have you personally used one? How effective are the cyclones are keeping the filters clean? There's virtually no reviews on YT for it, or much of anywhere, seems kinda under the radar compared to their other models.

Yes, at least from my experience of what I've seen they worked very well at keeping the pre-motor filter cleaner than the rest of the other multi cyclonic vacuums I've used. Not like brand new clean but clean where I probably wouldn't have to wash the filter out every time I'd use it.

Regarding Dyson clogging, there is one video I've seen where a Dyson slowly clogged the pre-motor filter on tape. But to it's defense, I'd NEVER use Capture ever again on my carpeting or any other dry carpet cleaning powder.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

They had two dogs that shed profusely. Her husband was a jerk who didn't know how to properly maintain anything. He even managed to break their Kirby.

Ah makes sense now. Neglect = failure, in which case it's user error not manufacturer design weakness.

 

[cheesewonton]

No mention of what broke on the Kirby but they are far from indestructible. The Neutral Drive mechanism is prone to wear and need replacement often. Some new Kirby's like ours came with inadequate lubrication on the rear axle that prevented that moving gear from fully disengaging from the cam lever so it was always clickity-clicking when you pushed it in neutral. I took it apart, cleaned and lubed it correctly. No more clicking in neutral. I now await the day the spines on the Neutral Drive shift shaft loose their grip and the thing falls out the back. Common failure. Already have the replacement part stashed way for the inevitable. Not so hard to break a fan on them either. For such a big and heavy piece of machinery there are some aspects of how a Kirby is built that are surprisingly cheap and flimsy.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yeah. Last time I pointed out a basic and obvious fact like that I was acosted something shocking and ended up like one their drive belts.