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It's not that I hate uprights there are a few that I like. I like the older model Panasonic where the hose plugged into the back port I like the Electrolux Aerus upright, Kirby's I can take or leave but I like the older 60's 70's 80's models with the converter tray at the bottom because they worked like a canister.

To me growing up if I saw a upright it was always by older people so to me an upright was a old lady vacuum.
 
I am not 'trying' to tell anyone anything. At my age I can't bother, and certainly not to a group of people who I will never meet. Sorry if you thought this from what I said. My comment about uprights being for carpets and cylinders for everything else was based on a literal overview of both types of cleaner. I did try very hard to make the point that people buy what they like, but clearly that didn't come across.
 
Very interesting thread! I'd like to thank whoever created it (I would check, but by the time I scrolled down to the bottom again I'd have forgotten).

I was talking about this to somebody the other day actually, the type of Vacuum Cleaners used by cleaners in schools, offices etc...

In the USA, they all seem to use upright Vacuum Cleaners, mostly Kirbys (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!), but here in the UK, we use our famous Numatic Henry, even though it doesn't have a PN (well, there is one available but every time I've seen one in use it has never had a PN fitted).

I think this may be down to the fact that Kirby is American, and Numatic is British, so we both use "our" brands. Again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I often am.

Another thing may be that in America the carpets are perhaps of better quality with less hard floored areas, and require the brush roll of an upright, whereas here in the UK most carpets of schools and offices etcetera are very very thin pile carpets for which a brush roll would do no good, and there are a lot of hard floored areas also.

Just my Tuppenceworth.
 
VR - I agree that Henry has really taken the lead. In schools especially, the instant accessibility and for the fact that everything else is on board just makes Henry really convenient as well as other Henry spin offs from commercial private cleaning companies who refurbish Henry machines and put slightly different parts.

As a fan of John Lewis stores, I was not surprised to find a lot of the carpeted areas are kept clean with the Sebo BS36 uprights. You can usually find them somewhere at the back of the stores by the stair exits or just to hand behind the cleaning storage rooms if cleaners have left the doors slightly ajar... Our local hospital also has a line up of old Sebo uprights as well as Henry vacs.
 
The XL based ones.Usually a red body without headlight and the orange 3 wire grounded plug cord.All US commerical vacuums must have 3 wire grounded plug cords to meet US OSHA safety regulations.The metal parts of the vacuum the operator can touch or hold must be grounded.
 
I agree that Sanitaire is most often used in US institutional settings. At least that's what I've seen. Nowadays, however, there seems to be a proponderance of Windsor/Sebo type vacs aimed at the commercial market. You know the ones - they are copies of the Windsor Versamatic (dual motor) or XP12. I don't know how deeply these have penetrated the institutional arena here in the US. I understand that quiet uprights, like the Windsor Versamatic or Lindhaus Health Care Pro, are often used in hospitals. Again, though, I haven't personally witnessed anyone vacuuming in a hospital so I can't say. I've seen maid services using Oreck XL's. I think the appeal is their light weight which make them very easy to transport. I'm quite ambivalent to Oreck XL's, myself. I like their weight, but I'm not sure how well they clean. The one I have is kinda loud, too. Caveat is I just got it so it's pretty new to me.

Most office and hospital carpet here in the US is also that low pile, thin, commercial grade carpet. We have some in our apartment building and while it has gotten discolored over the years it is very durable. There's not a lot of loft for dirt and grit to settle into, so it's quick and easy to vacuum.

Speaking of cleaning commercial carpet, I saw a marketing video that Pro Team produced where the cleaning staff at a small college or school switched to Pro Team backpacks. The cleaning staff talked about how they were really hesitant to make the switch, and how difficult is was to adjust to the backpacks. After they got used to it, however, they found that cleaning went a lot faster, with less fatigue. In fact, there was one point where one of the staff said that he didn't have any problems with his wrist any more, like he did when he used the Sanitaire (meaning upright-type vacs). The most surprising part for me was watching him vacuum the hallway. He walked down the hallway with the backpack vac attached to an unpowered rug brush on a long wand. As he walked down the hall, he pivoted left, right, left, right, left, right in quick arcing motions (as if he were cutting rye with a scythe). It was very fast and I wondered how could you possibly clean a carpet by passing over it that quickly with the nozzle? But that's what they did at that school. I couldn't find that video, but I attached a link to one showing the same pivoting motion.

For detail and above floor cleaning I find the red Sanitaire Mighty Mite commercial canister absolutely great. It's light, goes on a shoulderstrap, is very powerful, and is Hepa filter ready. I can't tell you how much easier cleaning moldings, shelves, cabinets, windowsills, baseboard heaters, etc. is after you've removed all the built up dust, dirt, grit, and debris first with the Mighty Mite. You don't have to deal with grungy water during the wipedown, as most of the dust and debris has already been removed. My only complaint is that the vacuum is loud. It has a plastic shell which give very little sound insulation.

Even better, though, for above floor cleaning is a backpack vacuum. OK, if you are just hitting a spot or two it's overkill. But if you're doing a bi-weekly or monthly cleaning of the whole house - hitting the cobwebs, hard stair cases, light fixtures, windowsills, moldgings, baseboards, the top surfaces of shelves, counters, TV's and tables, lamps, etc., a small to medium backpack vacuum is so convenient. Even more so than the Mighty Might. Just strap it on, walk around, and clean.

I've heard a lot of good things about the Numatic Henry and regret they don't sell them in the US. One question I have, though: is there anything special or unique about the Henry? From outward appearances it looks a lot like a $30 utilitarian wet/dry vac. I assume the motor is very powerful. How about noise levels and filtration? Is there anything to recommend it over, let's say, a Tristar CXL?









 
Sanitaire 3686

Here's a link to a Sanitaire 3686 video. This one is a grey model, but most of them you'll find are red. I use mine on the shoulderstrap most of the time. I find that the adjustable metal wand heavy and only good for cleaning bare floors. It's too heavy for easy above floor cleaning. For that I use one or two short plastic wands, or just the bare handle, and whatever attachment I need. On the Sanitaire website, it's rated to move 135 CFM, so it's quite powerful. Love it!

 
Sanifan - they do sell Numatic Henry models in the States - its just usually restricted to online sales. Amazon.com have them ( http://www.amazon.com/Numatic-Top-S...3AP4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329327675&sr=8-1)

The Henry vac was originally founded on plastic barrels with a motor on the top i.e. your usual "Shop Vac" or round canister tub vacuum. The reason they are so good is because they have excellent sealed suction dust bags, large capacities of 7 to 12 litres dependent on the sizes, made of thick and good PVC plastic, good power and low noise motors.

One of the other reasons to why Henry is so successful is simply because he was originally sold with a long 2.5 metre hose over the shorter hose domestic versions and has a manual cord winder (as well as a long cord) on top as opposed to auto pedal or lasso'ing the cord up after use.. Although on board cleaning tools can't be stored on the main body of the vacuum itself, the suction tubes are unique because the top pipe is a metal "bent" tube that allows you to swap that around to the bottom of the tubes to get into awkward areas - but usually incites the use of an extra adaptor to make it work successfully.

Because "he" is commercially based you can buy plenty of spares and accessories for this model, but his main filtration aspect is a washable material "basket" filter with additional HEPA also available. The basket is also double rubber lined to seal the dust in - so effectively you can use the Henry as a bagless vacuum - but it can be very messy!.

A downside to Henry is that he's difficult to store, can't be put on stairs due to his shape (hence the long hose) and can topple over due to his round, squat shape.
 
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There's even a pink one called "hetty" if it takes your fancy.

The year Charles and Camilla got together, a good friend I know on another vacuum cleaner forum suggested that a gold and black Numatic limited edition called "Camilla" was about to be launched and even though it was clearly a joke, a lot of people thought it was a serious launch!
 
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Where do I start with Henry... He's fantastic!

Since his introduction in 1980, things have just gotten better and better.

The bucket is strong, the motor is incredibly quiet and powerful, and hose is 2.5 meters, the flex is VERY VERY long, and the bag is 9 litres.

OK, there is no place to store the tools, nor is there automatic rewind, but honestly, I couldn't care less. He gives so many years of reliable use that I am willing to carry the tools around with me and wind the cord back myself.

Henry - The best canister Vacuum Cleaner around - FACT! :)

My Henry is a 2007 model, and I will bet that in 2027 I'll be back here boasting about my 20 year old Henry that works like new.
 
Henry quiet? ...nah....

Well, either the one I saw was from outer space or I had a smiley face printed on my contacts. The Henry canister "vessel" or "bucket type" vacuum that was shown to me here would scream the place down like any other commutator-motor type vac without any sound insulation.
The hose length was average (marketwise) as well. Nice face anyway ;-)

Tristar! Yes, anytime! Unfortunately Tristars come in 120 volts only, so a jump to their Italian makeovers (Ghibli's Vortech Force) is mandatory (I would have given my left arm for some Euro-current version of the original Tristar....)
On top of that: Tristars have this distinct "retro sci-fi" Gattaca look to them, that's what I like.
Don't mistake me: I love the Henry vacs as well, so friendly! But without this face they would be like any other run-off-the-mill bucket vac, wouldn't they?

THIS Henry here was loud.
Plainly loud.
I had a yes for it all the way through the demo, it changed to a no when they turned it on. *shrugs*
 
You must have had either an older model with the older style motor, or you got a dud, as the newer Henrys, as everybody will tell you, are very very quiet.
 
could well be

Hm. I leave it to the experts....

To each his own.
The only Henry I do take serious is the small table-top battery Henry, looks cute, is cute (due to its size) and will make any user look heartwarmingly silly (THIS one I do want!) ;-D
 
"Unfortunately Tristars come in 120 volts only"

Apart form the ones sold here in the UK with 240v motors of course... ;)

And of course, like my Tristar, they can be fitted with 240v motors, the main motor is the same sort that Henry vacs use, and the PN motor is a standard Lamb PN motor, which aren't hard to find, so there's no good excuse for not owning a Compact or Tristar... :P
 
Seen a few Henry's around here,, our local Habitat Restore uses one as their store vac, they bought it new for that purpose. It's pretty quiet, not any louder than a Miele imo.
 
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