crazykirbydude
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At least when the vacuum lines failed on the Electrolux, it didn't cripple the whole vacuum!
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gmarquez
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I have to say I quite disagree having owned an Electrolux Olympian, 1205, model L, rainbow e2 silver and just recently acquired an Aerus guardian my Miele monte verde blows them all out of the water. The suction and airflow is much stronger than any of theirs. I’m also confused at the claim that they have small bags I can easily get 3-4 months out of one bag and this is with the smaller FJM bag. Not to mention the Miele wands are the only canister wand that I’ve used that’s actually tall enough for me to use without having to drop my shoulders down. And as far as reliability is concerned I’d place them on the same level as Electrolux/ aerus as none of the canisters I’ve owned have ever needed any repair. And when I worked in a vacuum store for about two years there was one Miele that came in for repair in that time frame compared to about 3 Electrolux’s about probably about 1-2 kirbys a week. And I’m also confused by the claim that they’re build quality isn’t on par with other high end brands, the guardian I recently got is about 3 years newer than my Miele yet the Miele plastic doesn’t have any squeak at all compared to the plastic on the Electrolux which sounds like it’s hardly holding together.
vacuumdevil
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@gmarquez 
@vacfan1982 you're definitely right some people have had bad luck walking under ladders.
@crazykirbydude It sure can and will.
I have an Electrolux epic 6500 then I will be doing a full refurbish on I'll be sure to post that in 4k on here for you all to see how complicated that machine is because they refuse to use solid state circuitry. Oddly enough in the many years I've been fixing vacuums I've repaired more Electrolux for dry rotting and vacuum switch fellow related issues ,then PCB issues with both Miele and SEBO combined.
@vacfan1982 you're definitely right some people have had bad luck walking under ladders.
@crazykirbydude It sure can and will.
I have an Electrolux epic 6500 then I will be doing a full refurbish on I'll be sure to post that in 4k on here for you all to see how complicated that machine is because they refuse to use solid state circuitry. Oddly enough in the many years I've been fixing vacuums I've repaired more Electrolux for dry rotting and vacuum switch fellow related issues ,then PCB issues with both Miele and SEBO combined.
GMarquez: One side effect of Lexan plastic is the creaky squeaky sounds it makes when flexed and pieces rub together. That’s why the Aerus and Electrolux’s do that. Yes it’s a disconcerting sound, but if you’ve ever experienced trying to break Lexan, which is nearly impossible, you’ll realize that the creaky sound is something to accept for a plastic that is very difficult to crack or break.
Interesting that some have seen Electrolux’s with vacuum air tubing that dried out. Have several older machines never to experience that issue but did see it once on an LX but the machine was over 60 years old at that point!
I think the quantity of repairs a vacuum shop sees on any one brand might be due to the average number of that brand that’s out there in the general area served by the store. If a lot of Electrolux’s and Kirby’s are out there compared to Miele’s then you’d be apt to see less Miele’s as a result.
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Interesting that some have seen Electrolux’s with vacuum air tubing that dried out. Have several older machines never to experience that issue but did see it once on an LX but the machine was over 60 years old at that point!
I think the quantity of repairs a vacuum shop sees on any one brand might be due to the average number of that brand that’s out there in the general area served by the store. If a lot of Electrolux’s and Kirby’s are out there compared to Miele’s then you’d be apt to see less Miele’s as a result.
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gmarquez
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JO, it’s funny you mention that the numbers of machines in the area could have played a roll in the frequency of their visits. It made me realize that all three of the Electrolux machines that came in where probably from around the early 90s I think they where all ambassadors, this made me wonder if our Electrolux dealer had closed so I looked it up and it turns out they’ve been closed for quite some time this would explain both why it’s so rare that we got them in and why they where all from around the same time period. The Mieles however where a different story both our store and the local oreck store where pretty High volume Miele dealers I’d say someone came in at least 2-3 days a week for Miele bags so they where definitely out there.
crazykirbydude
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I've seen a lot of Electroluxes, and I can say that I've never seen a broken plastic body. I'm 17, 6 feet tall and I weigh 190 pounds, and I can stand on a plastic bodied Electrolux without the plastic cracking or breaking. Also, the Aerus Lux Guardian Platinum has 100 CFM from the power nozzle, so it's hardly a wimpy cleaner. The Lux Classic and Lux Legacy are only a few CFM behind.
vacfan1982
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The Lux platinum has 80 CFM at the nozzle. Mike got 90 CFM from the Miele C3 nozzle with the Sebo ET1. Not that an extra 10 CFM is gonna make a noticeable difference.
From what I've been told the Lux power nozzle isn't great.
From what I've been told the Lux power nozzle isn't great.
vacuumdevil
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@crazykirbydude good to know that you're a child.
@vacfan1982 that's such an interesting machine. It's oversized for no apparent reason the hose is a little short on it too I found one using it.
I think there's a noticeable difference in maneuverability of that Electrolux vs any miele,SEBO or modern canister with casters.
I would like to point out one other thing is that Mike test Vacuums in Europe which often have completely different motor setups than their American counterparts.
@vacfan1982 that's such an interesting machine. It's oversized for no apparent reason the hose is a little short on it too I found one using it.
I think there's a noticeable difference in maneuverability of that Electrolux vs any miele,SEBO or modern canister with casters.
I would like to point out one other thing is that Mike test Vacuums in Europe which often have completely different motor setups than their American counterparts.
vacfan1982
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That is true Alex I think the Miele C3 Mike tested had a 1600w motor which of course is not allowed in the EU today as 900w is the maximum. My Miele S5 has a 2200w motor 
I do like the Lux Platinum or Lux Intelligence in Europe but as you say it looks a bit bulky to manoeuvre around. It's very well built though. I am tempted to purchase a used one from Germany. I've seen them going for around £300.
I do like the Lux Platinum or Lux Intelligence in Europe but as you say it looks a bit bulky to manoeuvre around. It's very well built though. I am tempted to purchase a used one from Germany. I've seen them going for around £300.
crazykirbydude
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vacuumdevil...
I found your comment extremely offensive. That was quite rude and completely uncalled for. I'm still entitled to my opinion, no matter my age. Also, 17 is HARDLY a child. 11, maybe, but 17? I think not. If you feel the need to belittle a teenager on the internet over a vacuum cleaner, then you have some serious issues. I'm quite disappointed in everyone here. This started out as a respectful debate, and it ended up in petty bickering. This site as a whole as gotten so toxic that it is impossible to have an unpopular opinion. I simply stated my opinion and shared my personal experiences, and I got attacked for it. Immature adults suck the fun out of this site.
I found your comment extremely offensive. That was quite rude and completely uncalled for. I'm still entitled to my opinion, no matter my age. Also, 17 is HARDLY a child. 11, maybe, but 17? I think not. If you feel the need to belittle a teenager on the internet over a vacuum cleaner, then you have some serious issues. I'm quite disappointed in everyone here. This started out as a respectful debate, and it ended up in petty bickering. This site as a whole as gotten so toxic that it is impossible to have an unpopular opinion. I simply stated my opinion and shared my personal experiences, and I got attacked for it. Immature adults suck the fun out of this site.
crazykirbydude
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I've heard somewhere that Aerus Electrolux intentionally throttled the CFM at the nozzle to make it easier to push. Still, 80 CFM is quite good for a canister.
vacfan1982
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Yes 80 CFM is very decent. And you're correct anything above 90 CFM will make it difficult to push unless self propelled.
The Vorwerk has 100 CFM at the nozzle on the highest setting it becomes difficult to push.
Don't take anything that's said on here to heart it's just a bit of fun. Most of what I say is tongue in cheek
The Vorwerk has 100 CFM at the nozzle on the highest setting it becomes difficult to push.
Don't take anything that's said on here to heart it's just a bit of fun. Most of what I say is tongue in cheek
crazykirbydude
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I don't think the intention was to poke harmless fun. It's quite obvious that vacuumdevil intended for his comment to be demeaning. Anyways, I'm moving on now. The Aerus Electrolux canisters all pull around 90-100 CFM at the end of the second wand. I think it's the neck on the power nozzle that is restricting the airflow. I the Aerus Electrolux nozzle is still a great nozzle nonetheless, and maybe using one with a Miele canister would change my opinion on Miele canisters. I do not like the uprights though, and I never will.
The aerus Lux Platinum is a very good performing vacuum----BUT the circuit boards in these machines fail FREQUENTLY-I have two of these vacuums-each has had its board replaced TWICE under warrantee.Other vacuums I have with boards don't have this problem.
myles_v
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Adin Raiche...
Just ignore Alex, I think he gets a kick from being a senseless asshole toward his fellow collectors. He already had his panties in a bunch from people hating on his beloved Mieles.
Back to the topic at hand, I prefer Miele in terms of ergonomics, but I prefer Sebo for durability and ease of repair. However, someone said that Miele has tiny bags. They may appear to be small, but I can go as long as two months between bag changes if I were to only use my Miele in my house with two cats and a large dog. Their bags are very well designed and maintain cleaning performance as they fill up much better than most paper bags do. I think that Miele machines are overpriced on the American market compared to European markets, but they are good machines. The only issue that I've seen to be somewhat common with them relates to the hoses, I've seen a few that split near the handle. This is caused by improper storage of course, but it is something to note. I've never heard of a Miele with a burned out motor from normal use.
It's nice to long for a time when vacuum cleaners were simpler, but it's just like wishing the same thing for cars. Sure, they are all computer controlled and have seemingly unnecessary circuit boards now, but we benefit from these advances in ways that many of us likely don't realize.
Just ignore Alex, I think he gets a kick from being a senseless asshole toward his fellow collectors. He already had his panties in a bunch from people hating on his beloved Mieles.
Back to the topic at hand, I prefer Miele in terms of ergonomics, but I prefer Sebo for durability and ease of repair. However, someone said that Miele has tiny bags. They may appear to be small, but I can go as long as two months between bag changes if I were to only use my Miele in my house with two cats and a large dog. Their bags are very well designed and maintain cleaning performance as they fill up much better than most paper bags do. I think that Miele machines are overpriced on the American market compared to European markets, but they are good machines. The only issue that I've seen to be somewhat common with them relates to the hoses, I've seen a few that split near the handle. This is caused by improper storage of course, but it is something to note. I've never heard of a Miele with a burned out motor from normal use.
It's nice to long for a time when vacuum cleaners were simpler, but it's just like wishing the same thing for cars. Sure, they are all computer controlled and have seemingly unnecessary circuit boards now, but we benefit from these advances in ways that many of us likely don't realize.
speedqueen
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Another service tech here..
Hate Miele, all I see of them is failed cord reels, endless failed cord reels, and many after just a few years of purchase or after previous cord reel replacement. I have an Electrolux LX with original cord reel accessory, and a 1205, never any trouble with them, or my GE swivel top, or even the current production Hoover cord rewind machines, eventually it won't go back in on a Hoover, but it never stops conducting like a Miele cord reel will. It's a darned expensive part too($100+), and a pretty penny for a labor charge as well.
@vacuumdevil, you've never seen the speed control circuit fail on a Miele? Really? It's a big repair expense as the board is mounted to the motor and not a separate part for ordering. What likely fails is the triac. I dabble with electronics of all ages and could fix that, but then I have to hunt down the proper one(preferably using the NTE cross reference).
Hate Miele, all I see of them is failed cord reels, endless failed cord reels, and many after just a few years of purchase or after previous cord reel replacement. I have an Electrolux LX with original cord reel accessory, and a 1205, never any trouble with them, or my GE swivel top, or even the current production Hoover cord rewind machines, eventually it won't go back in on a Hoover, but it never stops conducting like a Miele cord reel will. It's a darned expensive part too($100+), and a pretty penny for a labor charge as well.
@vacuumdevil, you've never seen the speed control circuit fail on a Miele? Really? It's a big repair expense as the board is mounted to the motor and not a separate part for ordering. What likely fails is the triac. I dabble with electronics of all ages and could fix that, but then I have to hunt down the proper one(preferably using the NTE cross reference).
repairman
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speedqueen
When Miele warranties the motor, they also send out a circuit board since it is part of the assembly. Mind you, shops are wasting time that could have been spent making money on a vacuum without these problems. I remember I has a red Dynamic U1 where the brushroll motor would cut out every time you turned it to the left. This thing was 3 years old and after replacing a bunch of parts at Miele's discretion that were not covered, (parts warranty expired) the machine still didn't work. We ended up telling the customer to live with the issue. I probably had about 16 hours of labor into it and I just wanted to smash it in pieces.
When Miele warranties the motor, they also send out a circuit board since it is part of the assembly. Mind you, shops are wasting time that could have been spent making money on a vacuum without these problems. I remember I has a red Dynamic U1 where the brushroll motor would cut out every time you turned it to the left. This thing was 3 years old and after replacing a bunch of parts at Miele's discretion that were not covered, (parts warranty expired) the machine still didn't work. We ended up telling the customer to live with the issue. I probably had about 16 hours of labor into it and I just wanted to smash it in pieces.
vacuumdevil
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@crazykirbydude sorry don't take offense. I'm not trying to offend you or belittle you and anyway.
Legally you are a child at 17 those are the facts.
@myles_v Don't stokke the fire calling somebody a child who is legally a child is not an insult. Not by a long shot.
@speedqueen are you speaking of the trizact board inside the motor?
That parts change as a whole assembly with a motor. Once the red light turns solid just change the part as the engineers intended.
@repairman Do you have the Miele S7 repair DVD?
Did you attend Miele dealer training on the s7?
16 hours of Labor my heart goes out to you.
Legally you are a child at 17 those are the facts.
@myles_v Don't stokke the fire calling somebody a child who is legally a child is not an insult. Not by a long shot.
@speedqueen are you speaking of the trizact board inside the motor?
That parts change as a whole assembly with a motor. Once the red light turns solid just change the part as the engineers intended.
@repairman Do you have the Miele S7 repair DVD?
Did you attend Miele dealer training on the s7?
16 hours of Labor my heart goes out to you.
speedqueen
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@vacuumdevil
You just made my point for me, when a simple little part like a triac($2-5) fails instead of even a whole board being replaced, you have to replace the entire motor and board as a whole expensive assembly, "as the engineers intended".
Triacs can be sensitive components to power surges too, sometimes the usual protection of just a varistor/MOV/Voltage Dependent Resistor just isn't enough to keep the triac from being cooked by a small spike.
You just made my point for me, when a simple little part like a triac($2-5) fails instead of even a whole board being replaced, you have to replace the entire motor and board as a whole expensive assembly, "as the engineers intended".
Triacs can be sensitive components to power surges too, sometimes the usual protection of just a varistor/MOV/Voltage Dependent Resistor just isn't enough to keep the triac from being cooked by a small spike.
Maybe I’m a rare breed but I don’t care about reliability with most things, as long as performs well, I own four Mieles and have not had any issues but they are in rotation. If it broke I would get it fixed, the way I look at it that I’m helping keep the dealer in business after the sale lol. If I was a dealer I might be annoyed by machines coming in for the same problem all the time, but then you have to remind yourself that at least you’re getting business and it can’t all be about sales especially in this economy where most people don’t frequent vac stores.
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