Alertnative Bagless to Dyson

[hi-loswitch98]

You mean the Hoover Eco-G Steve?

 

[madabouthoovers]

Yes - the Eco-G range which is what is being launched obviously to comply with the new EU regs on power consumption in 2014. I wonder if they will bring out an Eco-G Purepower model again - I know they did one a while back called the green ray, but with the new regs, the "Enigma" Purepower will be flouting the new max wattage rules later this year with it being 2300W.


We may even see a replacement lower wattage bagged upright to replace the Purepower in its entirety?

 

[sebo_fan]

I think it is poor that Hoover have brought out an Eco range AND then the Enigma with such a high motor. They've also slapped the Enigma name on the TeliosPlus bagged cylinder vac which is barely three years old in the UK.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

The only catch on the Eco-G range is that one of the wattages are provided & one of them is yet another version of the Hoover Turbo Power/Jazz which will only cause problems like it did for you & me.

I'd much rather have this...1000 Watt Motor, 72% recyclable, (even the dust bags are recyclable), made by Electrolux who in my opinion have always produced good Vacuum Cleaners, even if they under a different name.

 

[sebo_fan]

I have considered this model time and time again - but it wasn't until I came on here that I read messages from actual owners where this model and a few from the range are not as well built as they should be.

The other downside for me is that dust bags for this model are hard to get unless you shop exclusively online. Our local Currys used to stock the bags for this model but not any more.

 

[madabouthoovers]

The UltraOne is not a good vac - the brown model with the motor head, and any with the remote switches on the handle are the worst culprits for going wrong - where they spontaneously switch themselves off when in use. I was put off buying one for that reason, and besides, Currys never had any in stock in my local stores anyway.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

So I shouldn't get this then?

 

[madabouthoovers]

The one In the pic looks like a base model with no remote controls for the motor on the handle. It seems to be that aspect that is causing the problems with them. It may be worth a punt for £100, but that's solely your decision.


Personally, I wouldn't, and nor would our UK Vac Guru sebo_fan it seems.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

It's just that it's 72% recycled plastic but it should be durable enough I would have thought.

 

[sebo_fan]

You will keep believing in stuff that brands want you to believe, Hi-Lo.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the UltraOne. I was very attracted to them when they first came out - I tried one at Currys and loved how super silent the motor was - even quieter than Miele at the lowest rate. But, the tools aren't as well made even if Electrolux's excellent Butterfly tool is included. One of my friends has an Ultra One and of course I got a chance to play with it.

The biggest problem I had was opening the bin door - there seems to be a knack of opening it but it is always tough and too near the main carry handle. The first time I tried it, I didn't want to exert pressure as the bin and the handle were too close.

Also the handle to the top suction tube has a press button release but it has a feeble action, often at times just able to pull the handle up and it slips out the top regardless of the button push - something to do with the plastics I guess. When my friend laughed at how old fashioned my old SEBO K1 looked, she wasn't laughing when she realised it is far better made and offered to swap - but I wouldn't dream of swapping any German vac from the Miele or SEBO stables for the UltraOne series.

I've also read reviews on the UltraOne where the cord length may be longer than Miele but has trouble rewinding back in.

 

[keiththomas]

Well I got the New Argos and you are right the newer models are the same price or Cheaper, I noticed that Hoover have a new Pure Power with long hose but no longer with the five warranty but a reasonable price of £124.oo. Gold is rather a strange colour a bit 1960's.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

With regards to the comments about the Ultraone by AEG, I looked through a few old threads & found the one titled UK Hoover Turbopower for sale in the USA. Like you say,sebo_fan, you shouldn't be put off just because a Vacuum is made in China. EVen though it might not be the case now, I have found that Electrolux have made vacuums that last well regardless of where they are made - even the Boss Uprights that were made in China 10 years ago are still going strong, plenty I have seen.

I am pretty sure the AEG is pretty well made anyway, it might be a bit of a let down that they used to be made in Europe but perhaps they still are, i've no idea.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, HiLO as I said, after sampling one for real and noted of the design imperfections, outwith that and that fact that the dust bags for the model are also hard to get. My friend gets hers online. Meanwhile I do like shopping online don't get me wrong but if I make a special visit to John Lewis where all my Miele filters and bags, not to mention SEBO bits are available, I'd expect JL to stock in the bags for the AEG but apparently it hasn't been much of a good seller.

In my opinion if you are going to stump up cash for a premium cylinder vac, it should be a Miele and for a bigger home, SEBO.

 

[manchestervacs]

Keith, 


 


We have a Dyson shop as many here know. We sell recon machines. No need to spend £300. We do a re-manufactured DC07 with a year guarantee that we have <span style="text-decoration: underline;">never had a single one back</span> of (also have parts to do a lime green DC04 that is mostly new). Almost everything is new on them, except the outer casings. We really go to town on them. Link is below to the page if the mods allow it. 


 


On the subject of Vax, let me tell you a view from within the trade: People bring us Vax machines in every day of the week to repair (although it only says Dyson outside - but that's people), they are like a cheap Dyson knock off. The parts are expensive, the engineering is dreadful, parts are a pain to look up, much is unavailable, and for us, most are not economical repairs. We tell customers that Vax is a disposable machine - that's why they are cheap. When they break, unless something very simple, simply bin them and get a better machine. There is a reason why they are cheap! Added to which, they are a total pain to strip down. 


 


A Dyson - an older one - is like a Morris Minor. You can always fix them, everything is available (excepting the DC01) and they are a proper thing. Everything else bagless is just a copy of a Dyson. 


 


Vax fans - flame away! 


 


NB: The photo below is one we recently sent to Sweden. 



http://manchestervacs.co.uk/Dyson/buy-new-Dyson-vacuum-cleaner-online.html

 

[madabouthoovers]

There is nothing wrong with people buying a Vax. Vax are aimed at the bottom part of the market. They represent better value than a Dyson, and both brands are made in the far East at the end of the day, and both cheaply made at that.


Dyson aims his vacs mainly at well off men, who like toys. Vax aim their vacs at plain ordinary folk who cant afford a Dyson and just want a cheap and cheerful vac to clean their houses. Some Vax machines are good, and some are very poor, but at the end of the day, its all about PRICE. Coming from Gorton - you must realise that people aint made of money, and no doubt if you weren't selling cheap old Dysons, your customers would not buy new ones, and buy Vax or Hoover instead.


I cannot understand why you would shun repairing a Vax, if the customer is prepared to pay you for it. Parts ARE available for Vax machines - I have no trouble finding them online.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Vax such as Steve says - are aimed at the people who realise that they do not need a Dyson, they realise that Dysons are just fashion accessories, they're no better made than Vax, & that is why Vax is now the No.1 selling brand in the UK. They sell so many different models at different prices, such as the £69.99 Zoom Reach, which has 10m of cord & I have never seen a Dyson to have that amount of cord.

 

[manchestervacs]

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Our location is of little relevance FWIW. We sell very little locally. But I agree that the area our shop is in is an economic wasteland. 

 

[madabouthoovers]

If you sell very little locally, why do you think that is? What do you think people are buying instead of buying a refurbished Dyson from your shop? After all, most homes have a vacuum cleaner, and you are selling your Dysons for about the same price as a new Vax.


 


If people love Dysons as much as James Dyson thinks they do, how come you don't do much trade locally, where you are giving the good folk of Manchester the chance to get a Dyson at Vax prices?


 


The big problem is now that every Tom Dick and Harry has jumped on the Dyson refurb bandwagon, and the likes of Ebay is flooded with refurbed DC04/07/08/14/25  etc etc.

 

[thekirbylover]

I agree with ManchesterVacs

the vax is a dyson wannabe, personally I cant stand any other bag less then a dyson, I dont do cheap knock offs its either the real thing or nothing, Im what you would call a vacuum snob, I think what ManchesterVacs is doing is good, as some people cant afford a dyson at full price can get the opportunity to get one practically new, also ManchesterVacs, I wouldn't admit a dislike for something on here, for some reason unless its a dyson hate no one will like it.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Michael - have you got the DC54 yet? am wondering when one of our UK members will buy one and put up some pics of it one here, and a detailed review. They are in Argos now - a mere snip at £459.99, I'm sure your dad might buy you one?