Agressive Agitation may be hurting your carpet.

[tolivac]

Heres another thought-would you drive a crawler cat tractor over your carpet?Course not---BUT did you know that YOUR feet exert more ground pressure in the area you stand on than a tractors tracks?So that is why feet are so good in pounding dirt into the carpet-high amount of pressure per square inch.The tractors weight is distributed over a greater area than what you have with your feet.Your weight is distributed over a smaller area.
So,the amount af agitation the roller brush of your vacuum-this is much less stress to the flooring than your feet!Your feet do not help remove the dirt-the brush in the vacuum cleaner does.

 

[kenkart]

I hate to weigh in....but..

A 150 Hoover will outclean any upright made today, the automatic height adjustment is so far ahead of anything ever made its not even funny!I say this not because im a Hoover guy, if you look at my collection, I have very few Hoovers or uprights, I say it because its true,and the beater bars really are not hard on a carpet.The Dyson brush is about like using a wire brush, much too harsh, it is also a fact that a open fan machine creates less sealed suction, but much more airflow, and airflow is what cleans.

 

[eurekaprince]

Hey John...in response to your question: I guess Eureka knew it had to compete with Hoover in the market place, and needed to show customers that it too offered beater bars in their uprights. Still can't fathom why solid bars beating a carpet would be any more effective than a row of stiff bristles. The brush roll is spinning so fast anyhow, it probably makes no difference in the grand scheme of things - they both create the agitation necessary to open up the carpet pile and bring up the dirt deep inside. Who really knows?

 

[kenkart]

Actually..

The old Disturbulator brush is much more agressive than the Hoover set up, the old 250 and 260 Eurekas will really pull up the nap on a matted down carpet.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

You are absolutely right about the HOOVER150

It was described as "over-engineered" at the time. But, it was a superbly built machine. There's one waiting for me in North Canton.

 

[kenkart]

I have..

Terrys, it just amazes me that in 1936 they could make a machine with automatic height adjustment that actually worked, and will work on todays carpet!

 

[durango159]

Matt, I empty FilterQueen tubs a few times a day, 6 days a w

Take out sheet of newspaper, or trashbag and lay on floor or outside.

Remove FilterQueen motor, set aside. Remove wheel base, set aside.

Place FilterQueen pollution tub upside down on newspaper. Tap all around. Wait a few seconds and lift up tub in light circular swirling motion to get any dust off from inner gasket.

Very little if any dust cloud.

Then just fold up newspaper.

This is definitely not a fatal flaw. If this is a fatal flaw then where do Sanitaire shake out bags, Hoover and Sanitaire dirt cup commercial vacs, Dyson dirt cups, Rainbow separators, and I can keep going on and on and on, all fit in.

A perfect cleaning system for the home doesn't really exist. But the FilterQueen does an excellent job cleaning all surfaces and is a certified Class II Medical Device due its performance and filtration down to .1 Micron.

By the way as far as a perfect cleaning system I consider all of the following: Cleaning Performance, sustained airflow, filtration, durability, noise, user-friendliness, convenience, and energy efficiency. A robot Roomba has excellent convenience and user friendliness, but lack of tools, and cleaning performance are questionable. Hoover Dimension 1000 and Convertibles have great durability and cleaning performance but filtration is an issue. Dysons have great sustained airflow but tool usage, energy efficiency and durability are issues. Kirbys have excellent durability but user friendliness and convenience are issues. Riccar canisters have great power and filtration but weight and inability to roll over cord is an issue. Aerus has great canisters but carpet grooming depending on agitator, small bags, high tendency to roll over on side and skid on floors are issues. The list goes on and on. Everyone can think of something I'm sure for just about every machine.

The perfect system doesn't really exist and everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Exact reason why ice cream variety packs offer Vanilla, Chocolate and Strawberry. 3 flavors, surely and hopefully there is one to please everyones tastes.

 

[tolivac]

When I use vacuums with dump bins or bags-just take the bin or bag outside and dump into a trash dumpster or trashbag-don't use the newspaper-the paper sheets are smaller these days-so using them for dumping vacs isn't so conveneint.And at this point no longer subscribe to papers-the junk they print is worse then the dirt from your vacuum cleaner!Another thing I do is vac out the bin or bag with my NSS M1 that has a HUGE paper bag.

 

[sebo_fan]

Chris, your video on agitation with the SEBO X is impressive too - another machine that doesn't have beater bars.

 

[nycwriter]

Rob ...

... for those of us in apartments, there is no "outside" to take the vacuum to empty.

And I will NOT put inky newspaper on my expensive rugs.

And even if I did, what's the point of a machine that touts it can remove up to xxx microns of dust from the air, only to force me to empty it all onto the floor on a newspaper in the middle of my living room???

 

[gottahaveahoove]

ROB..."Zippy".

You sound like a salesman!! Of course, you ARE , but............
The other day, I was in the presence of a friend who was vacuuming with a bagless cleaner. She stopped the machine, unlocked the "sealed cup", and dumped it into the trash. I chuckled as a cloud of dust billowed up into the air. She stared at me and asked, "WHAT?" It's so convenient. I replied, "UHUH". She said, "Just because it's NOT a HOOVER". I kept silent.

 

[kirbysthebest]

You have a Kirby and she was always surprised I knew

Don't mean to debate your expertise, but I feel you must have more delicate carpets in SA that we do here.

I have, however, had someone once ask what kind of vacuum my mother had.
She was having carpeting replaced and after pulling up the carpet in the living area the man asked "Do you mind me asking what kind of vacuum cleaner you have?"
"Kirby" my mother answered.
"I thought so, there is no dirt under the carpet." "The only time I find this in a home is when they have a Kirby."

Now I am not knocking any other vacuum, or endorsing Kirby. I am saying what was said to my mother.

BTW--A Kirby of some model has been cleaning our home for the last 62 years. never had a carpet warranty issue due to damage, but I will agree the brush roll on the Ultimate G was very stiff and aggressive. The new replacement, the type that is in the Sentria is much more flexible. You can get different brush rolls for Kirby from pet hair to delicate carpets.

I don't think Kirby would be rated Gold by the Rug and Carpet institute if it damaged carpeting.

[this post was last edited: 7/24/2013-15:36]

 

[durango159]

so don't use newspaper- use a trashbag.

Don't go to a trash can because then you end up having dirt fall several inches or feet into trash can and that open space at the bottom to just fall that distance causes a storm. Take out a trash bag, open it up and place on floor. Then place FilterQueen tub upside down in bottom of trash bag size of your choice or a store shopping bag or whatever you want to use- cardboard box lid, whatever. Tap on bottom of Filterqueen container, wait a few seconds and gently in swirling motion lift tub out of bag, then just pull up sides of trash bag and you're done.

I just got done doing it tonight--- Bin was completely full, no dust storm what so ever. Dust storms occur from violently disturbing dust by shaking dirt cups and banging dirt cups on sides of trash cans to pull out dirt. By having FilterQueen tub upside down in a trash bag that is placed on a surface then the dirt falls to the surface, on the cone and not several inches or feet. This is a very simple, neat process. Far far far cleaner than any upright dirt cup bin, shake out reusable bag or whatever you want.

Many people like this system. If not, I apologize as FilterQueen does not use a bagged system because bags are porous and clog. The FilterQueen relies on cyclonic technology to keep filter cone as clean as possible and maintain air flow, that would normally be lost in typical dirt cup or vacuum bag system.

There are plenty of machines on the market. I'm not going to negate facts that the FilterQueen has earned several certifications including being recognized by FDA as a Class II Medical Device for its filtration. If emptying the container once a month, was found to be harmful, then FilterQueen would not have received that certification and proven to aid in relief of Asthma, Allergies, Sleep Apnea and other medical conditions. Emptying the collection tank is only necessary once a month as well as it holds 2.5 gallons of dirt and the antimicrobial coating on the cone is effective for one month in eliminating continued growth of viruses, mold, bacteria and dust mites that the system removes from your home.

 

[nycwriter]

Sorry Rob ...

... but I really, really doubt the FDA considered the emptying process of the Filter Queen as part of its evaluation as a Class II Medical Device for its filtration.

This is the same agency that over the years has approved countless drugs as "safe" that have ended up killing hundreds of thousands of Americans. Just last year, more than 100,000 Americans have been killed by FDA-approved prescription drugs. Just to name a few:

-- Avandia: 83,000 heart attacks, 304 deaths and thousands of reports to the FDA, and 10 separate studies say it increases the risk of heart attack by up to 80 percent… and it’s still being prescribed to thousands of diabetes patients.

-- Baycol: This statin drug caused a rare but sometimes fatal muscle ailment. There were 31 reported deaths directly linked to it before Baycol was pulled from the market.

-- Vioxx: Prescribed 105 million times … it killed 57,000 people before its maker finally stopped selling it.

So you'll understand why a stamp of approval from the FDA means absolutely nothing to me. This is an agency that is staffed primarily by a revolving door of pharmaceutical execs doing favors for each other. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that the FDA is actually looking out for the welfare of American citizens.[this post was last edited: 7/25/2013-00:15]

 

[piano_god]

Sorry, but the Filter Queen vacuum is neither cleared nor recognized by the FDA as a Class II Medical Device. You're confusing that with the Defender.


 


Furthermore, no matter how careful you are emptying the bin on the Filter Queen, air currents created by lifting the bin will stir up hundreds of thousands of microscopic particles. The cleanest way to empty a Filter Queen is to simply do it outside, preferably by someone who does not suffer from dust allergies...

 

[electromatik]

Would the Filter Queen emptying process be aided by some sort of a LINER that could be sealed upon emptying rather than a bag? Or would that clog also? If no such device exists, maybe someone should invent it.

Kirbysthebest made an excellent point about agitation and the CRI. They test the vacuums for a year on carpet to see if they cause excessive wear and tear. That's part of the process, it must not erode the carpet any more than a year of normal wear due to traffic. Wasn't Hoover was attacked by another manufacturer who claimed beater bars ruined carpet but those claims were later exposed as fraudulent? I believe a beater bar will clean effectively, but so will a brushroll. Brushrolls have been used by most for decades so they obviously work. Would make no difference to me as long as it worked, haha.

 

[jmurray01]

"And even if I did, what's the point of a machine that touts it can remove up to xxx microns of dust from the air, only to force me to empty it all onto the floor on a newspaper in the middle of my living room???" Good point!!

All those bagless vacuums boast "HEPA filtration" and "British Alergy Seal of Approval", but where is your HEPA filtration when you empty it and the dust goes flying into your face and up your nostrils?

Answer that one James Dyson!

 

[tolivac]

Beater bars and brushes-If I get this right beater bars with the brushes on a brushroll were originally made for "floating" rugs and carpets-those that weren't fastened to the subfloor except by the edges.Brushroll with brushes ONLY were meant for rugs and carpets that are GLUED to the subfloor over their whole dimension.If you used beater bars on the glued down carpet-both the carpet and vacuum-and even the user get a good pounding.Since most carpets are being fully glued these days-guess that is why we saw a quiet departure of the beater bars.

 

[tolivac]

For bagless and FQ type dump bin vacuums-why is it some folks want to dump them INSIDE their homes?After you and the vacuum have worked so hard to pick up the dirt-would you truely want to get rid of the dirt OUTSIDE?That is why when I have used such vacuums I dumpted them outside the house.Even when I used my Rainbow--dump its water bin full of dirt the water filtered outside the house.That is what any vacuum cleaner was designed to do.With disposable bagged vacuums the dirt is trapped in the bag-so you just throw the whole thing into the trash and just put in another bag-so easy.You and the place don't get messy.Even with my NSS M1 vacuums-use the paper bags in them.In a pinch you can use Shop Vac 5-8 gal size bags in the NSS-its harder to fit the Shop Vac bag over the NSS feed horn-but can be done.Don't want to consider using the zipper M1 bag as a dump bag-you could get dirt leakage around the zipper ends-and what will the dirt do to the zipper?

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh just use my words, why don't you Jamie?

To be fair, at the end of the day it comes down to convenience. Whilst bagless vacuums provide the easy solution of not buying dust bags, the actual reality isn't just the fact that on board filters have to be cleaned all the time to maximise suction and if I was going to be really pedantic, I'd like to ask Dyson that if this vacuums are supposed to offer 100% suction all of the time, why put another filter on board to hide behind the fact??

I've had bagless and bagged vacuums and I've said this before and will continually stand behind my experience and opinion - bagless machines, whether they are dust busters, cordless sweepers and so forth are great if you require a machine that needs to be used DAILY. The saving made when having to clean up after loved family pets is ideal for the bagless design as is the point of having a cordless dust buster just to pick up crumbs in a hurry.

There's no further cleaning to be done UNTIL the suction starts to loosen. That's when you have to face the fur and not just if it gets stuck up by the top of the filter shroud.

With a bagged vacuum, there's a bag to collect it all - end of. Okay one tiny filter may have to be cleaned but not as involving as the pre-motor filters that have to be attended to - and not as continuously to maintain your machine's power of suction.