Against the odds.

[alexhoovers94]

"I bring up the TP2s and 3s because that formed part of my collection and I adored them."


 


Funny way of showing it...The way you talk about them makes me doubt, you make it sound like they were a burden to the drawering board!

 

[sebo_fan]

Thats because Alex, I have moved on from Hoover. There's more to life than just sticking to one model from a brand all the time. Sadly though, all you seem to post is stuff about Hoover and those certain models. JM was the same with his Hoover Ranger....

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Depends how much brand loyalty you have, Hoover is my fave but I do try ones from Vax & Electrolux, etc.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I just don't take well to criticism and stuff. I can&#39

Yes you can, you can make the choice not to start a debate, be it in person or in writing. No where have you personally been criticised, so you've nothing to worry about there. This is all part the rich tapestry of life and part of the growing up process. You will learn as you grow older.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I appolgise by taking pride in the herritage of that 6 letter word and over a century of great products...


I am a Hoover collector, Ryan, but I do have other brands that I am loyal too, like Electrolux's, Kirys and Numatics, but Hoovers just make me moist and I am sure most would agree.


 


Alex.

 

[sebo_fan]

Eww make you moist?? I don't want to know!

 

[alexhoovers94]

Oh Ryan, you could drown in moisture from SEBO's!!

 

[alexhoovers94]

Have you not seen the picture?

 

[madabouthoovers]

Ladies - please - Handbags at 10 paces lol


What are we bitching about again - Dysons are best, Hoovers are best, Sebos make me moist......


Yes we all have our favourite brands, but why the need to bitch about it - Vacuumland is supposed to be a happy and friendly place to chat about the ups and downs of our brands. Root_cyclone is only young, and to him, Dysons are all he has known in his short life. We all are very polarised to the brands we grew up with, and for me, I grew up with Hoovers, but that doesn't mean that I diss every other brand - I look at them all with equal status until I try them out and then I make critisisms of them. I have more than one brand in my collection and I love to try out new brands, even if they don't get favourable reviews, and that goes for all the filtration methods - not just bagged or bagless multi-cyclonic.


A true vacuum collector collects vacuums with an open mind, is open to criticism of his/her vacuums, and is able to have a good constructive conversation about ALL vacuums - not just those he/she collects. Only diss a particular vac if you have evidence what you are saying is true, or if you have had experience with one.


Why keep being bitchy - Sebo_fan dislikes JMurray, maybe because they are both Scottish? but why all the animosity towards a junior member just because he worships Dyson? He will get older and then become more open minded - most people do, but at the moment, he feels about Dyson what Alexhoovers94 feels about Hoover, and because the TP2/3 formed a large part of his life and he isn't that old, then that's OK.


Many collectors have obsessive natures, ie, they become obsessed with certain objects, and in our cases its vacuums, and many will defend them to the death, so its only natural that some members here are so touchy about their brands, and anyone that might not like their chosen specialty - but please, try to keep an open mind and quit the bitching, or Unimatic will get mighty pi**ed off with us.

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[turbo500]

Taking the conversation away from SEBO

Yes, but not because you pointed out a flaw. I attempted to move the converstion AWAY from Sebo because this conversation had absolutely nothing to do with them. The only reason I brought them up was to use as an example when comparing 2 brands. I could have easilly used any 2 other cleaners.

It was YOU who turned this into a Sebo vs. *insert other brand* thread AGAIN with Reply#51.

You don't like em. WE GET IT. There is no need to bring it up at every available opportunity.

@madabouthoovers...

"Sebo_fan hates JMurray"

I don't really thing Ryan gives that much of a flying fig about Jamie, to be honest, so I don't think "hate" is quite the right word. I'm sure Jamie has very little impact on Ryan's life, if at all.

"why all the animosity towards a junior member just because he worships Dyson?"

That is precisely what I was getting at in reply#50. Anyone who talks to me regularly will know I love my Sebo. LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT. But just because I love something doesn't make it perfect, and I am open to (valid) criticsm. No cleaner is perfect, but RootCyclone was getting awfully defensive of any criticsm regarding Dyson. Age is irrelevant. Young or old, the only way anyone is ever going to learn to accept criticsm is if someone points this out.

The thing that REALLY grates on my t!ts is when someone assumes that my carpet is less clean than theirs because I do not use a Hoover/Kirby/Dyson/whatever brand. Truth be told, there is no better or worse vacuum than any other. Any vacuum will clean a carpet. It's all about finding what works for you, in your home and what you find does the best job with the least amount of effort. So Alex loves his Hoover Turbo 2, that's great! But that doesn't make anything in my house any less clean because I use a Sebo. I know the Sebo isn't perfect, but I've found it works the best for me. It also doesn't make either the Turbopower 2 OR the Sebo perfect.

There are far too many folk around these parts with this attitude, and it bloody stinks.

 

[turbo500]

Also, further to my above post, I would never recomend a particular brand just because it's my favourite.

So many of my friends come up to me and say "what vacuum do I get?" and my response is always "what do you want in a vacuum?". You have to consider other peoples likes and dislikes and what their home is like. I recently recommend a Vax Mach cylinder to someone as they had just moved into a new apartment with solid wood floors. Personally, I'd never own one, but my friend has his criteria. It had to be bagless, it had to be a cylinder and it had to be within a certain price range. I did some digging and suggested the Vax and he's more than happy with it.

Time and time again I see people on here recomending something because they think it's the best, but it might not be for that person. "OMG, you need to buy X machine because it's the best", "X model was the best model ever made of brand Z" etc etc. It's all TOSH. (Alex, avert your eyes, this might upset you) I was recently chatting with the lady who works on the counter at my local vac shop and she recalled how she hated the Hoover Turbopower 2 and how customers were returning them and exhanging them for Panasonic's, Electrolux's or even older Hoover's because they were too top-heavy for the user and awkward to use. Even though the Turbopower 2 is a great cleaner, it obviously wasn't favoured by those customers.

Another example, my Mum wouldn't use a cylinder if you paid her. My Dad, on the other hand, prefers them. So needless to say, when it came to new vacuum time, I had to put my own preferences aside and consider what would be best for them.

It's all well and good having a favourite model or brand, but you have to be subjective sometimes and look at the whole picture. Again, something many of our members of ALL ages could do with trying.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Turbo500, you make some valid points above, but your point about age is wrong - young people and especially teenagers are often (but not always) quite impetuous due to their hormones, and this type of comment "There are far too many folk around these parts with this attitude, and it bloody stinks" is a good example of this. That statement is a very inflammatory one and will more than likely promote another argument.


If Root_cyclone thinks that Dyson is the mutts nuts and everything else is cack, then so be it - he will eventually find that no-one will contribute to his threads, as they seem one sided, but to provoke arguments and bad feeling against him is not the right thing to do on these forums. Unimatic warned people about this when he took over the site and he is quite right - who wants to go on a forum that is just a hive of bickering and immaturity? If something gets on your tits to quote you, just ignore it, and take into account that poster's age and experiences. You are older than he is, so set a good example. You know a lot about vacs and contribute a lot of good stuff to vacuumland, but please stop appearing superior to everyone else by posting statements like the one above, as it gives people a bad impression of you.

 

[sebo_fan]

Chris, well said and thank you.

Steve - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Instead of trying to justify everything from a young person's view, this is a FORUM. It is not a Chat room. Therefore the "opinion" and conversation is recorded. It is different. IF younger members want to display their love for a certain brand, they should go for it.

I see no difference in any other member, young or older posting a brand they adore - I've done it myself and the VINTAGE section has many posts about many interesting brands. BUT, when some members start to inject other brands into conversations, it is a natural debate - sorry, but it is - we're not here to pat each other on the back - we're here to spread and share our own experiences. If you don't like it, then leave - every forum is the same regardless of topic. There's always bound to be differing opinions.

Goodness me, if we were all to form the same opinion about everything, this forum would cease to exist. May as well turn it into a poll of results instead!

 

[madabouthoovers]

Steve - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Thank you for that snide remark Sebo-fan.


 


Who is this statement aimed at please?- "If you don't like it, then leave - every forum is the same regardless of topic. There's always bound to be differing opinions."


 


If this is how you feel, I will delete the post, and will not say anything further in this thread - although what I said still stands, and I'm sorry that you feel that I have a superiority complex, but would like you to say why you feel that I do, so that I can bear this in mind.

[this post was last edited: 8/23/2013-08:44]

 

[rolls_rapide]

Hose on uprights

Dyson couldn't patent the onboard hose because it had either been patented and / or done years previously: "prior art".

I previously came across Hoover patents on the web, American I think, from around 1935, showing a Model 370 or 375 Hoover Junior-like drawing with attached hose. I don't think it was ever made.