mixman
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C3 Hose
The hose is about 6ft long. A little too short, but it is sturdy.
The hose is about 6ft long. A little too short, but it is sturdy.
Aerus Lux Guardian Platinum
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eurekaprince
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I love my Miele C3 FreshAir suction-only canister. It is a pleasure to use. It came with a great SpotLight handle that is unique to Miele. And it came with an extra long cord and telescopic wand which provides plenty of reach. If I wanted to, I could buy Miele's "extend-a- hose" attachment to add another two feet of reach, but so far I have not found the need.
The AirTeq carpet nozzle is excellent for surface litter pick-up even on deep pile carpet. Best thing about my Miele: excellent noise suppression and exhaust filtration which does not blow dirt around on bare floors.
The AirTeq carpet nozzle is excellent for surface litter pick-up even on deep pile carpet. Best thing about my Miele: excellent noise suppression and exhaust filtration which does not blow dirt around on bare floors.
mixman
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Yes I really like my C3 too but just trying to figure out whether I should add a Lux Platinum to the collection.
By the way an Aerus salesman is trying to sell me one. What's the lowest can I get this for?
By the way an Aerus salesman is trying to sell me one. What's the lowest can I get this for?
kirbysthebest
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Lowest you can pay
Will be dependent upon what he is willing to accept.
It will also depend upon how high up the ladder he is on sales. Considering there is about a 600% mark up on DTD vacuums, the closer to the top he is the more wiggle he will have.
Will be dependent upon what he is willing to accept.
It will also depend upon how high up the ladder he is on sales. Considering there is about a 600% mark up on DTD vacuums, the closer to the top he is the more wiggle he will have.
kirbylux77
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Brian - Just so you are aware, the motor in the TOL Tacony canisters - Moxie, Gusto, Immaculate & Impeccable - is NOT a double fan motor. It's a single fan Chinese motor, & if I am remembering correctly it's produced by a company that Tacony owns in China. See link below.
Mixman/Mike - As for the Aerus Platinum, to me it's not worth the $2G price the dealers want, not even if you got it for $1500. First off, the vacuum is seriously lacking in features. For that price, all the controls for speed & on, off & powerhead on/off should be on the hose handle. There's no telescopic wand, no quick release pn neck - you have to bend over to put the floor brush on, no height adjustment, no dirt sensor & no metal brushroll like Riccar/Simplicity canisters have. The bags are too small & overpriced....I was actually at one point considering a Platinum & looked into the cost of bags, found out that the price of the bags is roughly the same as Miele charges for their G/N bags, & the Aerus bags aren't 9 ply like Miele bags that you can stuff 3/4 full. I am also not impressed with the quality of the pre-motor HEPA filter, the filter paper used is nowhere near the quality it should be for a vacuum costing $2G, I guess it's a good thing they changed to HEPA Cloth bags, & of course the post-motor HEPA Filter will be nowhere near the quality Miele's HEPA Filter is, & will cost more than the $50 dollars Miele charges for theirs.
Regarding the build quality & Tom Gasko saying "Fit and finish are above reproach"....oh really? Go ahead & open the bag door & look at the cheap plastic on the bag door & in the bag compartment, it's CLEAR looking at it this vacuum was made in Slovenia. And regardless of what anyone says about it's a "metal" vacuum, it's just a metal covering on a plastic body. And I highly doubt production of the Platinum will ever be brought to Bristol, Virginia. Joe Urso has made it VERY CLEAR ever since he bought Electrolux, through his own actions, that he has no interest in it, this is just another investment to him that he has stripped assets from & sold off. He has destroyed Electrolux, & I have no respect for the man. The ONLY vacuums that Aerus Holdings has designed is the Tristar MG Series, & the previous Aerus Guardian that was essentially a 2100 with a redesigned top. Everything else the company has brought out has been products from other companies they have bought & rebranded their products, or they have had other manufacturers rebrand their products with the Aerus name. The Aerus Guardian Platinum was NOT designed by Aerus at all, nor did they have any input in it's design. All they did is go to Lux International & ask them to make the vacuum in 120 volts for them. I have read online that Tom Gasko & Derreck Fricke, a fellow Vacuumland member & Aerus dealer, approached Joe Urso at a VDTA convention & arm-twisted Joe Urso to bring the Lux Intelligence, known here as the Platinum, to North America. And I wholeheartedly believe it, considering Joe Urso's character. I don't believe any of the story Aerus has put out that it was co-developed between Aerus & Lux International. It's painfully clear that's a total lie when you look at Lux International's previous models.
The Aerus Guardian Platinum does have some good qualities to it though. The urethane vinyl hose is much easier to use than Miele, & a upgrade in quality over Riccar/Simplicity while still having the same ease of use & flexibility. It's nice to see they retained the blower feature, & the Sidekick III IMHO is the best mini PN currently on the market, something pet owners will appreciate for getting the hairs off the couch & stairs. The 15 year warranty is nice too, the only other companies I am aware of that has a warranty anywhere close is Miele, when they do their once a year 10 year warranty promotion for 1 month. Sebo also has a 10 year warranty, but it's warranty doesn't cover labor the entire 10 years, & certain components like the electric hoses are excluded. Compared to the Miele, Sebo & Riccar/Simplicity canisters, the Aerus Guardian Platinum is way overpriced, underfeatured & Aerus will need to do signifigant improvements to features & product quality if they want to successfully compete in the high-end canister vacuum marketplace.
Rob
http://www.hibbert.ca/index.jsp?pat...s=mfr&process=search&qdx=0&ID=,Riccar,mfr-1O8
Mixman/Mike - As for the Aerus Platinum, to me it's not worth the $2G price the dealers want, not even if you got it for $1500. First off, the vacuum is seriously lacking in features. For that price, all the controls for speed & on, off & powerhead on/off should be on the hose handle. There's no telescopic wand, no quick release pn neck - you have to bend over to put the floor brush on, no height adjustment, no dirt sensor & no metal brushroll like Riccar/Simplicity canisters have. The bags are too small & overpriced....I was actually at one point considering a Platinum & looked into the cost of bags, found out that the price of the bags is roughly the same as Miele charges for their G/N bags, & the Aerus bags aren't 9 ply like Miele bags that you can stuff 3/4 full. I am also not impressed with the quality of the pre-motor HEPA filter, the filter paper used is nowhere near the quality it should be for a vacuum costing $2G, I guess it's a good thing they changed to HEPA Cloth bags, & of course the post-motor HEPA Filter will be nowhere near the quality Miele's HEPA Filter is, & will cost more than the $50 dollars Miele charges for theirs.
Regarding the build quality & Tom Gasko saying "Fit and finish are above reproach"....oh really? Go ahead & open the bag door & look at the cheap plastic on the bag door & in the bag compartment, it's CLEAR looking at it this vacuum was made in Slovenia. And regardless of what anyone says about it's a "metal" vacuum, it's just a metal covering on a plastic body. And I highly doubt production of the Platinum will ever be brought to Bristol, Virginia. Joe Urso has made it VERY CLEAR ever since he bought Electrolux, through his own actions, that he has no interest in it, this is just another investment to him that he has stripped assets from & sold off. He has destroyed Electrolux, & I have no respect for the man. The ONLY vacuums that Aerus Holdings has designed is the Tristar MG Series, & the previous Aerus Guardian that was essentially a 2100 with a redesigned top. Everything else the company has brought out has been products from other companies they have bought & rebranded their products, or they have had other manufacturers rebrand their products with the Aerus name. The Aerus Guardian Platinum was NOT designed by Aerus at all, nor did they have any input in it's design. All they did is go to Lux International & ask them to make the vacuum in 120 volts for them. I have read online that Tom Gasko & Derreck Fricke, a fellow Vacuumland member & Aerus dealer, approached Joe Urso at a VDTA convention & arm-twisted Joe Urso to bring the Lux Intelligence, known here as the Platinum, to North America. And I wholeheartedly believe it, considering Joe Urso's character. I don't believe any of the story Aerus has put out that it was co-developed between Aerus & Lux International. It's painfully clear that's a total lie when you look at Lux International's previous models.
The Aerus Guardian Platinum does have some good qualities to it though. The urethane vinyl hose is much easier to use than Miele, & a upgrade in quality over Riccar/Simplicity while still having the same ease of use & flexibility. It's nice to see they retained the blower feature, & the Sidekick III IMHO is the best mini PN currently on the market, something pet owners will appreciate for getting the hairs off the couch & stairs. The 15 year warranty is nice too, the only other companies I am aware of that has a warranty anywhere close is Miele, when they do their once a year 10 year warranty promotion for 1 month. Sebo also has a 10 year warranty, but it's warranty doesn't cover labor the entire 10 years, & certain components like the electric hoses are excluded. Compared to the Miele, Sebo & Riccar/Simplicity canisters, the Aerus Guardian Platinum is way overpriced, underfeatured & Aerus will need to do signifigant improvements to features & product quality if they want to successfully compete in the high-end canister vacuum marketplace.
Rob
http://www.hibbert.ca/index.jsp?pat...s=mfr&process=search&qdx=0&ID=,Riccar,mfr-1O8
tseg
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There's nothing like a solid vacuum... unless you prefer a lightweight one with lots of flexible features that still gets the job done and lasts. I was eying up this Platinum but one of my favorite features in my other vacuums is an adjustable wand. It saves my back. Quiet and lightweight are also very admirable features.
mixman
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Yeah Rob
You hit the nail on the head. After doing a lot of research, it's too lacking in features for its high price, which is why I will not pay over $1K for one new and used a lot less. I was just asking why is this such a cult classic, if being quiet and good suction are it's only good points?
I also just spent a while on the phone with a Aerus store owner telling me why he can't sell me the vac for less that $2K, and me telling him it barely has enough features for me to pay $1,000. This is one of those vacuums I will get if it falls into my lap for a great price, because in my eyes I would use my C3 far more than the Lux.
You hit the nail on the head. After doing a lot of research, it's too lacking in features for its high price, which is why I will not pay over $1K for one new and used a lot less. I was just asking why is this such a cult classic, if being quiet and good suction are it's only good points?
I also just spent a while on the phone with a Aerus store owner telling me why he can't sell me the vac for less that $2K, and me telling him it barely has enough features for me to pay $1,000. This is one of those vacuums I will get if it falls into my lap for a great price, because in my eyes I would use my C3 far more than the Lux.
kirbylux77
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Thanks Mike.
I think part of the reason why everyone is so interested in the Platinum is it's a Electrolux. Electrolux is just one of those brands that's so legendary for quality, design & performance, a machine Grandma passed onto her daughter, & Mom in turn passes it onto her daughter. And some families, all they owned was Electrolux floor care products, just like some are loyal to Kirby & Filter Queen.
One other brand I am going to say is not worth the money for their canisters is Sebo. For the same reasons....they are just too underfeatured for the $1G they charge for the full size Sebo D4 canister. And their S Class filtration system is seriously flawed, put it on a particle scanner & watch the scanner go constantly up & down as it detects particulates the Sebo's filtration system misses. The only premium high end vac shop brand canisters worth considering, IMHO, are Miele, Riccar/Simplicity & Lindhaus. There are also a couple of fairly new players on the scene that hold some promise....The Bank brand, which makes a rebadged Simplicity Verve called "The Bank Vault", look like really nice machines. And there's also the Soniclean canisters, which are made by EIO in Germany, which is considered a lower-tier German brand compared to Miele, Sebo, Bosch/Siemens & Fakir-Nilco. The Soniclean canisters look like they are well featured for straight suction machines, & have good bags & filtration systems, it will be interesting to see if they ever come out with a powerhead model to compete with Miele.
I personally am one person who is loyal to Electrolux. And note when I say that, I did NOT mean Aerus, or the "other" Electrolux AB of Sweden, I mean THE ORIGINAL Electrolux, from 1924 to 1999. My Mom owned a housekeeping service for over 35 years, & for 29 years she used a Canadian Model 89 like in the thread I linked to below. She cleaned 2 to 3 houses a day, six days a week, for 29 years with that vacuum. NOT ONCE did the canister itself break....the only thing it needed at 23 years old, besides a couple replacement hoses, a new PN & new tools over the years, was new carbon brushes for the motor. Everything else was entirely original when Mom died when it was 29 years old. You try finding another household brand in 1969 when Mom bought it that would take hard, punishing commercial use. It's kind of hard not to admire a company when they put out such a high quality product like that.
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?9713
I think part of the reason why everyone is so interested in the Platinum is it's a Electrolux. Electrolux is just one of those brands that's so legendary for quality, design & performance, a machine Grandma passed onto her daughter, & Mom in turn passes it onto her daughter. And some families, all they owned was Electrolux floor care products, just like some are loyal to Kirby & Filter Queen.
One other brand I am going to say is not worth the money for their canisters is Sebo. For the same reasons....they are just too underfeatured for the $1G they charge for the full size Sebo D4 canister. And their S Class filtration system is seriously flawed, put it on a particle scanner & watch the scanner go constantly up & down as it detects particulates the Sebo's filtration system misses. The only premium high end vac shop brand canisters worth considering, IMHO, are Miele, Riccar/Simplicity & Lindhaus. There are also a couple of fairly new players on the scene that hold some promise....The Bank brand, which makes a rebadged Simplicity Verve called "The Bank Vault", look like really nice machines. And there's also the Soniclean canisters, which are made by EIO in Germany, which is considered a lower-tier German brand compared to Miele, Sebo, Bosch/Siemens & Fakir-Nilco. The Soniclean canisters look like they are well featured for straight suction machines, & have good bags & filtration systems, it will be interesting to see if they ever come out with a powerhead model to compete with Miele.
I personally am one person who is loyal to Electrolux. And note when I say that, I did NOT mean Aerus, or the "other" Electrolux AB of Sweden, I mean THE ORIGINAL Electrolux, from 1924 to 1999. My Mom owned a housekeeping service for over 35 years, & for 29 years she used a Canadian Model 89 like in the thread I linked to below. She cleaned 2 to 3 houses a day, six days a week, for 29 years with that vacuum. NOT ONCE did the canister itself break....the only thing it needed at 23 years old, besides a couple replacement hoses, a new PN & new tools over the years, was new carbon brushes for the motor. Everything else was entirely original when Mom died when it was 29 years old. You try finding another household brand in 1969 when Mom bought it that would take hard, punishing commercial use. It's kind of hard not to admire a company when they put out such a high quality product like that.
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?9713
mixman
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Right Again Rob
On Sebo. I have come to the conclusion that here at least here in the US they are just overpriced for what they offer. They are durable and dependable yes, but for $1,299 for some D4's you have to bend down to both set carpet height and release the wand from the powerhead,. They also offer no deluxe powerhead with extra features such as foot controlled height adjustment, foot controlled wand release and a headlight. So basically if you get a K3 and that is the size bag that you are OK with, you have no need to upgrade to an E3 or D4 since you will get the same PN with the same manual adjustments, with a longer cord and bigger bag. Whereas Miele and Tacony offer hand controls, headlights on the PN, foot controlled height adjustment and automatic suction for Miele. So if you upgrade with Miele or Tacony you actually get something besides a longer cord and bigger bag.
This is why I am selling my K3. I am however keeping a Felix because I do still think it is a great nimble upright, although I do not think it is not worth the $699 they are charging for it here in the US. If Sebo keeps raising their prices they will have to come up with more features to play with the big boys!
On Sebo. I have come to the conclusion that here at least here in the US they are just overpriced for what they offer. They are durable and dependable yes, but for $1,299 for some D4's you have to bend down to both set carpet height and release the wand from the powerhead,. They also offer no deluxe powerhead with extra features such as foot controlled height adjustment, foot controlled wand release and a headlight. So basically if you get a K3 and that is the size bag that you are OK with, you have no need to upgrade to an E3 or D4 since you will get the same PN with the same manual adjustments, with a longer cord and bigger bag. Whereas Miele and Tacony offer hand controls, headlights on the PN, foot controlled height adjustment and automatic suction for Miele. So if you upgrade with Miele or Tacony you actually get something besides a longer cord and bigger bag.
This is why I am selling my K3. I am however keeping a Felix because I do still think it is a great nimble upright, although I do not think it is not worth the $699 they are charging for it here in the US. If Sebo keeps raising their prices they will have to come up with more features to play with the big boys!
In the UK you can get a Sebo Felix for around £200 and i've seen the E3 Premium with a PW as low as £250 that is about $310. The Felix Pet has an A rating for filtration it has a thicker exhaust filter than the other models and most of the other Sebos have a B rating which is still very high and they are have the British allergy foundation seal of approval.
Yes they are basic in features that is because they come from a commercial background where reliability is foremost.And they are certainly built better than Miele. The brushroll pops out for cleaning or replacing. The Miele brushroll is a nightmare to change and costs around £80 here in the UK which is crazy! The PN release on the Miele is prone to break too.
Yes they are basic in features that is because they come from a commercial background where reliability is foremost.And they are certainly built better than Miele. The brushroll pops out for cleaning or replacing. The Miele brushroll is a nightmare to change and costs around £80 here in the UK which is crazy! The PN release on the Miele is prone to break too.
mixman
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Marcus
There is a difference between the UK and US dynamic when it comes to Sebo. Here they charge about 3 times what you pay there. There are also more choices here in the US and Sebo hasn't done much to stand out from the crowd......at least for consumers as opposed to commercial use. A Felix is $699 here and an E3 is $989. To put it in perspective the Felix is $150 more than the current top of the line Miele U1 Cat & Dog and the E3 is only $100 less than the Miele Marin, with the SEB 236 PN. I also find that with dealers you can get more of a discount on Miele than Sebo, which makes that difference even larger. Sebo is good company but I just think for the premium price they charge here, dependability is not enough, they need to add more features too.
There is a difference between the UK and US dynamic when it comes to Sebo. Here they charge about 3 times what you pay there. There are also more choices here in the US and Sebo hasn't done much to stand out from the crowd......at least for consumers as opposed to commercial use. A Felix is $699 here and an E3 is $989. To put it in perspective the Felix is $150 more than the current top of the line Miele U1 Cat & Dog and the E3 is only $100 less than the Miele Marin, with the SEB 236 PN. I also find that with dealers you can get more of a discount on Miele than Sebo, which makes that difference even larger. Sebo is good company but I just think for the premium price they charge here, dependability is not enough, they need to add more features too.
I agree Sebo could update their "Domestic range" and add more features but whether they will is a different matter! 
I do like the E3 Premium. If I were to choose between that and the Miele PN model i'd choose the Sebo.
I understand Go Vacuum stopped selling Miele in favour of Sebo. There is a reason why
I do like the E3 Premium. If I were to choose between that and the Miele PN model i'd choose the Sebo.
I understand Go Vacuum stopped selling Miele in favour of Sebo. There is a reason why
s31463221
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Lux Platinum under $1000
First off, let me say this is NOT my listing, and I am in NO WAY associated with the seller! With that said, in reading over these posts about the platinum and looking for one under $1K. I'm always scouring eBay for decent listings, and came across this one.....it surprised me in the fact it did NOT pop up under my "Aerus" search, but rather just an "Electrolux canister" search! Anyway, if you would like to try one out at a lower price than the Aerus dealer is selling them for, this might be a start. I liked what I saw from them at the Aerus store when they first came out, and saved up enough to buy one......I suppose that's been close to five years ago.....mine is STILL sitting brand new in the box, never been opened, and at this point, I'm not sure I will ever open it! Oh well.....the things we spend our money on! LOL!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrolux-...045141?hash=item25cf242f95:g:JegAAOSw4CFYm7fE
First off, let me say this is NOT my listing, and I am in NO WAY associated with the seller! With that said, in reading over these posts about the platinum and looking for one under $1K. I'm always scouring eBay for decent listings, and came across this one.....it surprised me in the fact it did NOT pop up under my "Aerus" search, but rather just an "Electrolux canister" search! Anyway, if you would like to try one out at a lower price than the Aerus dealer is selling them for, this might be a start. I liked what I saw from them at the Aerus store when they first came out, and saved up enough to buy one......I suppose that's been close to five years ago.....mine is STILL sitting brand new in the box, never been opened, and at this point, I'm not sure I will ever open it! Oh well.....the things we spend our money on! LOL!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrolux-...045141?hash=item25cf242f95:g:JegAAOSw4CFYm7fE
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mixman
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Thanks saw that listing. Messaged the dealer and they told me there is no warranty on the refurbished Lux Platinum. So much for buying from a dealer!
kirbysthebest
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Here's your gamble
You save $1,400 off retail and have no warranty, you take the risk and may never have a problem, or you may end up spending a couple hundred on repairs. You still save on the refurb.
You save $1,400 off retail and have no warranty, you take the risk and may never have a problem, or you may end up spending a couple hundred on repairs. You still save on the refurb.
Has anyone heard who is now manufacturing Aerus products besides the LGP since AB Electrolux sold Eureka in December 2016 (who'd been manufacturing the standard and economy models since 2003), and Aerus's Bristol, VA plant closed in May 2016 (where Floor Pros and vacuum cleaner attachments had been made and/or assembled)?
Further, is there a TriStar factory, or are those products outsourced, also?
Further, is there a TriStar factory, or are those products outsourced, also?
regarding Sebo
I have a Sebo D1, it's very well made, and I think that's why they are more expensive, you are paying for the quality. I also have a Miele C1 Olympus, they are both well made but I think the sebo is made a bit better. It is true though that Sebo vacuums are more expensive in the United States, that might be because of export taxes, I'm not sure.
The Guardian Platinum is made in Europe by Lux international, I'd also be curious to know where the classic and legacy are made.
Mike
I have a Sebo D1, it's very well made, and I think that's why they are more expensive, you are paying for the quality. I also have a Miele C1 Olympus, they are both well made but I think the sebo is made a bit better. It is true though that Sebo vacuums are more expensive in the United States, that might be because of export taxes, I'm not sure.
The Guardian Platinum is made in Europe by Lux international, I'd also be curious to know where the classic and legacy are made.
Mike
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