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Right Again Rob

On Sebo. I have come to the conclusion that here at least here in the US they are just overpriced for what they offer. They are durable and dependable yes, but for $1,299 for some D4's you have to bend down to both set carpet height and release the wand from the powerhead,. They also offer no deluxe powerhead with extra features such as foot controlled height adjustment, foot controlled wand release and a headlight. So basically if you get a K3 and that is the size bag that you are OK with, you have no need to upgrade to an E3 or D4 since you will get the same PN with the same manual adjustments, with a longer cord and bigger bag. Whereas Miele and Tacony offer hand controls, headlights on the PN, foot controlled height adjustment and automatic suction for Miele. So if you upgrade with Miele or Tacony you actually get something besides a longer cord and bigger bag.

This is why I am selling my K3. I am however keeping a Felix because I do still think it is a great nimble upright, although I do not think it is not worth the $699 they are charging for it here in the US. If Sebo keeps raising their prices they will have to come up with more features to play with the big boys!
 
I don't understand why Aerus/electrolux power nozzles dont have a manual carpet height adjustment option; it's very useful and comes standard on many other canister brands today..
 
In the UK you can get a Sebo Felix for around £200 and i've seen the E3 Premium with a PW as low as £250 that is about $310. The Felix Pet has an A rating for filtration it has a thicker exhaust filter than the other models and most of the other Sebos have a B rating which is still very high and they are have the British allergy foundation seal of approval.

Yes they are basic in features that is because they come from a commercial background where reliability is foremost.And they are certainly built better than Miele. The brushroll pops out for cleaning or replacing. The Miele brushroll is a nightmare to change and costs around £80 here in the UK which is crazy! The PN release on the Miele is prone to break too.
 
Marcus

There is a difference between the UK and US dynamic when it comes to Sebo. Here they charge about 3 times what you pay there. There are also more choices here in the US and Sebo hasn't done much to stand out from the crowd......at least for consumers as opposed to commercial use. A Felix is $699 here and an E3 is $989. To put it in perspective the Felix is $150 more than the current top of the line Miele U1 Cat & Dog and the E3 is only $100 less than the Miele Marin, with the SEB 236 PN. I also find that with dealers you can get more of a discount on Miele than Sebo, which makes that difference even larger. Sebo is good company but I just think for the premium price they charge here, dependability is not enough, they need to add more features too.
 
I agree Sebo could update their "Domestic range" and add more features but whether they will is a different matter! :)

I do like the E3 Premium. If I were to choose between that and the Miele PN model i'd choose the Sebo.

I understand Go Vacuum stopped selling Miele in favour of Sebo. There is a reason why :)
 
Lux Platinum under $1000

First off, let me say this is NOT my listing, and I am in NO WAY associated with the seller! With that said, in reading over these posts about the platinum and looking for one under $1K. I'm always scouring eBay for decent listings, and came across this one.....it surprised me in the fact it did NOT pop up under my "Aerus" search, but rather just an "Electrolux canister" search! Anyway, if you would like to try one out at a lower price than the Aerus dealer is selling them for, this might be a start. I liked what I saw from them at the Aerus store when they first came out, and saved up enough to buy one......I suppose that's been close to five years ago.....mine is STILL sitting brand new in the box, never been opened, and at this point, I'm not sure I will ever open it! Oh well.....the things we spend our money on! LOL!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrolux-...045141?hash=item25cf242f95:g:JegAAOSw4CFYm7fE
 
Thanks saw that listing. Messaged the dealer and they told me there is no warranty on the refurbished Lux Platinum. So much for buying from a dealer!
 
Here's your gamble

You save $1,400 off retail and have no warranty, you take the risk and may never have a problem, or you may end up spending a couple hundred on repairs.  You still save on the refurb.


 


 
 
Has anyone heard who is now manufacturing Aerus products besides the LGP since AB Electrolux sold Eureka in December 2016 (who'd been manufacturing the standard and economy models since 2003), and Aerus's Bristol, VA plant closed in May 2016 (where Floor Pros and vacuum cleaner attachments had been made and/or assembled)?

Further, is there a TriStar factory, or are those products outsourced, also?
 
regarding Sebo

I have a Sebo D1, it's very well made, and I think that's why they are more expensive, you are paying for the quality. I also have a Miele C1 Olympus, they are both well made but I think the sebo is made a bit better. It is true though that Sebo vacuums are more expensive in the United States, that might be because of export taxes, I'm not sure.
The Guardian Platinum is made in Europe by Lux international, I'd also be curious to know where the classic and legacy are made.
Mike
 
Mike/n0oxy

Sebos are not more expensive here because they are better made, they may be more durable, but far more goes into making a Miele with the additional electronics than making a Sebo. They definitely are not better quality, just more simple and durable. Miele's have more electronics and are more complicated, thus a little less durable than Sebos. Those electronics cost more and the R&D for them cost more, therefore they should be more expensive, but that is not always the case.

Sebo is just plain overcharging for their products here. I have heard from a couple of dealers that they charge so much to give the dealers a bigger margin, so more dealers would be willing to promote their products. I can only say don't pay full pop on Sebo if you plan to ever sell your vacuums publicly like Ebay and CL. Sebo's that are in good shape go for a third of their MSRP. As a matter of fact, I just missed an open box D4 that went for about $470 shipped on ebay, because there were so few bidders.
 
Reply to post #17

OK Mixman, let me see if I can explain. It sounds as if you are worried about bells and whistles on machines. Is that the standard you use to judge a machine? Loads of bells and whistles?? Most people use suction power, convenience, and durability as the standard, but OK. The Lux has more than enough "features." It has one of the most powerful motors in the industry, it is the ONLY household vacuum with two HEPA filters, it is the ONLY vacuum with 8 motor speeds, it is the ONLY vacuum with LCD control panel, it is the ONLY vacuum that shuts itself off when airflow is reduced, it is one of the few with a motorized mini-nozzle, it is one of the VERY FEW that are still equipped with a blower, it is one of the few with electronic software controlled motor, it has really high-quality tools, it has a self-adjusting L-shaped powerhead that is ultra low-profile for getting under furniture and with a front-mounted LED headlight.

It has all of these "features" (many of which NO OTHER VACUUM POSSESSES) and yet you are worried about "foot pedals" and telescopic wands? LOLOL. OK. Telescopic wands might be nice, but they aren't as versatile as the Aerus wands. The Aerus tools, including the Sidekick and Power Nozzle, will plug into the handle and the wands. Only the Rainbow duplicates this I believe. I'd rather have that any day as the much more trouble-prone telescopic wands. Same thing with the switches on the handle. Higher cost and trouble-prone.
 
Reply to post #24

Kirbylux77's post has to be one of the most long-winded anti-Aerus RANTS I've ever read. And hardly any of it is actually fact. Despite the fact that the Aerus has loads of technological wizardry, it isn't good enough because it doesn't have a telescopic wand? Or foot pedals? Talk about hair-splitting nonsense. Aerus' Lux Platinum has many features NO OTHER vacuum has. It's not "lacking in features" at all. It doesn't have some that others do, but nearly ALL vacuum makers make sacrifices somewhere. Sebo's don't even have a headlight for goodness sake. Miele's don't have 8 speeds, don't have a blower, don't have an L-Shaped powerhead, don't have long cords or hoses, and don't have good attachments. See how anyone can split hairs?

Also, his post's claims about the Aerus having problems with filtration are COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY AND PROVABLY FALSE. These filters and vacuums have been tested repeatedly by the European indoor air-quality laboratories and have been found to be VERY WELL at filtering. It has been tested by the Allergy people and found to be as close to perfect as a vacuum can be at removing allergens. It's filters are not faulty at all.

Some people on here were talking earlier about the site dying a slow death. Some people on here live to trash other brands and vacuums and will seemingly twist facts into pretzels to do so. It's really shameful. No wonder people are leaving. There are some seriously not-nice people here...

As an aside, notice that Aerus' detractors often like Kirby's. They will uphold Kirby no matter what. Despite the fact that Kirby's lack ANY technological wonders or convenience features, have short cords, have no on board tools, are louder than most, have a higher weight than most, yet are still enormously expensive, they still don't deride them to ANY degree. Yet Aerus is routinely degraded due to ANY perceived lacking, however minor in the big picture it is. Anyone wonder why??
 
electromatik

Here is the thing.....suction alone is not the only thing high end buyers are looking for because if it there are many other machine that could match or beat the Aerus such as the brand you hate Kirby. Even among canisters the Tacony and Miele, while maybe not the best airflow, have a good combination of features and suction are are discussed and owned by more members here. Sorry if you can't understand this but high end buyers want features in addition to the suction and excellent Hepa....which Miele already has.....and costs less. Many of those "features" you mention are nothing special in this industry.

You are laughing at the features that I want but take a look at the industry as a whole.....hand suction controls, and if not, at least foot adjustable controls. Yes, a telescopic wand is important to many. Some are shorter, some taller.....one size should not fit all for a $2,000 machine. That adjustable nice LCD shouldn't mean it has to be adjusted by hand.......again for a $2,000 machine. Also, we do not all need the same tools. Some tools are more important to some than others. Look, I have no dog in this fight. I looked into getting one of the machines, weighed the pros and cons......and thus far have come to the conclusion that is overpriced for what you get or at least what is important to me. Right now it does not seem to offer me anything I cannot get elsewhere.

I know I do not need to defend Rob, but he has been even handed about his criticism of many brands including Miele, Sebo and Aerus. It seems to be you who has the agenda and now by going after Kirby fans.......

Just face it, people will like what they like, what is unnecessary to you could be very important to others!!![this post was last edited: 4/9/2017-23:09]
 
I plan to purchase one within the next few years. Don't spend more than $1500 on one, I'd try to talk your dealer down to $1300. My dealer told me that he normally starts at $2000 but that he could go as low as $1500.

I plan to purchase one because they have plenty of features, the filtration is excellent, they're very attractive looking, they come with a 15 year warranty, and because I like Aerus/Electrolux as a company. If I wanted a telescoping wand with a foot pedal release then I'd buy a $300 Kenmore. I've never had good luck with machines that have foot pedal release things for the power nozzle, they always start to have electrical problems.

Now, someone said that the Bristol plant closed. I talked to someone from Aerus who told me that it is still open. So now I'm really wondering where the Classic, Legacy, uprights, and tools etc are being made.
 
I have a question. I know Aerus came out with a new and improved power nozzle that was to be softer and not as loud as the ones in the past. I saw a demonstration on Utube of the new nozzle. It does not sound any quieter to me. Am I missing something? Thanks!
 
Lux vs Others

The right vacuum is the one that works best for you be it Sebo, Miele, Riccar or Lux. All are good it just depends on what features matter most. I have had all four brands and still have two. Sold hundreds of the original Guardian on the streets of Boston during my days in the Teamsters.

The Guardian Platinum is a similar unit in features to the Miele Marin. It is quieter, more powerful, has more cord, hose, significantly better attachments, Sidekick and has a great LED display you can actually use. This is why it is popular. Obviously it costs more and has a longer warranty. What it lacks is a telescoping wand, quick release elbow on the nozzle and two very clunky power nozzle options that clean well from Wessel. The auto feature works extremely well and the latest incarnation of the Lux Omniflo L-shaped nozzle cleans well in ASTM tests. No adjusting required. Keep it simple stupid as we used to say in college. I hate the wands but they are functional, cheap and easy to repair in addition to adding short or long sections to the Sidekick. If the height of the Tristar wands works for you then there is no need for adjustable wands that can be troublesome like Sebo or the older Miele wands were. I am not sure why proprietary hose ends are an issue when the Lux floor and furniture tools are so much better than the mass market alternatives? I am a busy guy and I prefer clean rugs vs buying carpet by the yard and throwing it away by the pound so always full power and bags changed at half full. I use an extra set of wands for the combo floor tool like my Silverado. Here we go again with convenience. The Intelligence/Platinum has more European emissions certifications than both Miele and Sebo so the double HEPA works well. A very convenient vacuum to use just as the Silverado was in its day. Miele only makes a couple of machines with the variable power handle the Uniq and one of the Homecare if memory serves me. When the Platinum came out they only made one. So in any circle still very high-end.

As far as Lux manufacturing, Bristol is open and has been since the end of their agreement with Electrolux AB in El Paso, TX many years ago (10+). The Tristar and some Vollara (Eco Quest) products as well as canisters and uprights made there as well. As of last fall, plans were under way to bring production of the Platinum to Bristol from Slovenia. Those machines are manufactured by a third party manufacturer named Kolektor (SP) not Lux International. I had an extensive conversation with an old friend who is a regional executive with Aerus so this is not talk around the water cooler. It is less expensive to assemble that unit at Bristol than import it already assembled. Their head engineer now oversees manufacturing in Bristol and this is not their first rodeo with a stainless skinned canister vacuum. We started talking about an American version of the Lux 1 Royal Chrome in 2003 at the national convention and as I recall there were issues with the chassis design that led to a delay in a new model design. I think there will be more production rather than less as they begin to realize that while outsourcing looks good initially it generally costs more in the long term. The exact reason Lenovo makes most of their own Thinkpads in house these days vs using a third party like Foxconn.

To clear up any confusion the Riccar Immaculate/Impeccable uses a high efficiency, single fan motor sourced from Lamb made in Mexico not the far east. When production was moved from Daewoo, the Chinese motor was replaced with the NA Ametek it currently uses. Sorry for the confusion. It too is a fantastic vacuum.

Lux, Miele, Kirby and Sebo are solid choices as is the new E2 Onyx Rainbow. All are super quality machines, perform well and appeal to different tastes. I have had Kirby and the E2 Onyx in my home for long-term testing as well.

Brian
 
Lux Power Nozzle

Lux 14,

The latest version of the Omniflo uses a modified Johnson motor called the HTM. The difference is in the sprocket design and it takes a different belt. Tristar uses it as well. They sound a little noisy on the Youtube videos but mine is much quieter in real world use than the older Johnson motors are. If memory serves me there are more teeth than the older ones. It has been a while.

Brian
 
My two cents....

Electrolux/Aerus vacuums are good...But I wouldn't have one for one reason, I hate the bulky plastic hose handle and wands..But I hate anything new..LOL
 
nonstandard hose end

Interesting discussion. The reason I'm not a fan of nonstandard hose ends, and nonstandard electric connectors is that it limits what attachments I can use. What if I want to use my Lindhaus or Sebo power nozzle? Not possible with the guardian platinum. I want to be able to pair any attachment with the vacuum I am using, the attachments that the Platinum comes with may be good, but that's not the point. On the other hand, the Aerus classic is a great vacuum, nice standard hose end and standard electric connector. I paired it up with my Centec CT10 power nozzle the other day, this nozzle is designed for hard floors as well as rugs. Again, with the Platinum this would not be possible. I think it does include an adapter to convert the hose end, but the electric connector is different, the two connectors are much more spread out than the standard connector. By the way, does anyone know what kind of electrical connector is used on the Miele canisters with electric hoses? I've been trying to find out but not having any luck.
Mike
 
Again I like my new 'Lux Guradian and my new TriSTar.The wands and attachments are interchangeable between the machines.With the tool adaptor on the 'Lux I use both machines with my Volt powernozzle-in both they get MORE dirt than the stock nozzles.The newer Platinum nozzle is quieter than an older Guardian nozzle.I would like to see the controls on the handle(Platinum) like what the old Guardian has.
 
Power Nozzle Noise

I have always contended that the power nozzle noise is relative.


 


Since the Platinum is so much quieter than other models, it makes the nozzle appear to sound louder. 


 


Just my theory.
 

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