Aerus Lux Guardian Platinum

[justjunque]

The only vacuum that I've bought new recently, is the Hoover PortaPower that I bought from Amazon.
So, different situation.

I personally don't like to have to negotiate about pricing on anything.
It's probably the thing that I hate most about buying a vehicle, for example.
I despise the whole game of the salesman repeatedly going back to confer with his boss about your offer.
I know some people don't mind it, and some may actually enjoy it.
I'm not one of them.
In fact, when we were first married, we actually brought my father-in-law with us when we went to buy a vehicle.
He's one who doesn't mind the game, and we probably got the vehicle a little cheaper than we would have if he hadn't been there.

To sum it up, I personally don't like to have to haggle, and it does seem somewhat unfair to people who aren't good at it.

Barry

 

[gregvacs28]

on a side note... WOW


Seeing a post that dates back five years and talking about paying thousands of dollars for.....
And I'm seeing Electrolux Guardians on Ebay for under a hundred bucks.

In all fairness, there was a time I had to have a NEW Electrolux and paid $650+ for the last metal vacuum them made. Before internet shopping.

Still the pricing on things like Kirby's , do people still buy those from dealers at over $1500 ?

 

[n0oxy]

price negotiations

I'm really not a huge fan of trying to negotiate prices either. If you want me to buy your product, offer me a good price up front.
Most of the vacuums that are sold by the door to door method usually have higher prices. Many of the water filtration machines are sold this way. I was able to get a good deal on them because I knew what I wanted and they did not have to give a demo. With the popularity of internet shopping, I'm surprised this sales method still survives, whether it will continue to work for years to come remains to be seen.
Since I'm blind and can't drive, I've never had to go through buying a car and negotiating prices for it.
I do think it's safe to say that selling vacuums door to door is not as popular as it used to be, but I could be wrong on that.
Mike

 

[funeraldirector]

Lux Platinum vs S115

Budopo,

The S115 is the replacement for the Lux Intelligence. The American version sold by Aerus is the European Lux Classic. The Lux Classic unit has the same display as the Platinum but the rest of the world gets the blueish-purple tank housing vs stainless in the USA. The Platinum is in between if you will. They have gone to a different control panel on the S115 (IPC) but the biggest change is the bluetooth control in the hose handle to control the motor speed. It seems like they may have lowered motor the wattage to comply with EU regulations as well and maybe why they are using IPC as standard. Motor in my vacuum is almost identical to the Miele Vortex and Domel-sourced. All filters are interchangeable. I also use the Swissaroma scents in my Platinum.

Since I have both the Aerus and European attachment sets, I can tell you I WAY prefer the Sebo ET-1 power nozzle nozzle and both Plastiflex hose styles with the aluminum telescopic wands and auto floor tool. I filled three bags to capacity when I discontinued the Aerus Omniflo power nozzle and the performance upgrade, especially with the Floorpro and dry foam shampoo is significant. The attachments like dusting and floor brush are noticeably better than Miele/Sebo and lesser quality than Aerus and store on the hose handle vs the wand like the Platinum. One hose is 10 feet long the braided one is 8 feet and a "faux" braid over a Riccar Impeccable style hose and not as stiff as the Lawrence MFG/Lux gimp hoses of the Silverado era. They are not wire reinforced either. The handle grips and service characteristics of both are excellent and both wand and hose ends feature replaceable tips. Since one can only get these via an ebay seller who ships internationally, bear in mind that the braided hose has 4 PCB boards in it and designed to run on 240 volts and not compatible with the Platinum ECM. The Sebo nozzles require a different elbow or elbow adapter for the Wessel-style connection. Overall. the Aerus should have used the Sebo nozzle, Lux International wand and hose handle mated to the urethane Aerus hose, and included the excellent USA combination rug and floor tool, dusting/furniture brush and crevice tool with the Sidekick.

Brian

 

[completenutt]

You have to be prepared to walk out and them say: wait a sec

I wonder why they don't just amortize the cost over 15 years versus the cost of a new vac and it's projected lifespan to show real value to a prospective customer.  That would be a more palatable approach to entice people to enjoy a better product longer!


 


I also wonder what the original Electrolux would have thought of this bait and upgrade method for their original concept of creating a better machine and promoting it as such, versus their customers anticipating a confrontational bartering experience while purchasing.  I don't think they'd like that very much.


 


I think the main reason it's a harder sell now a days is because it was originally marketed toward women, as we all know - a thankfully bygone era - and the man of the house would want to get his wife a good appliance to enjoy using.  Well, it's just not that way anymore.  Women work as much as men, and they are not allocated one or two good tools/machines (dishwasher, washer/dryer, vacuum) to ease their burden.. so the "sell" of that amortized theory would have to apply now to a general feeling of value, which a much smaller percentage of the population really thinks about.  So, it may then just be marketed to those who want the best of whatever category it is.. in this case the Guradian Platinum model, and hopefully those people have less time or care less to barter and will buy an overpriced item.  Same thing happened to a colleague of mine who literally got a home visit by a Kirby dealer and bought it for over $2000.00.  He's a millionaire and was sold on the exclusivity of ownership, and less so on the quality, and it hardly put a dent in his pocket for that price!


 


Finally,  for those people who have 2 income household, there is usually a housekeeper involved who either brings their (notice I didn't say "her"!) own vacuum.  Also the housekeeper or cleaning crew would have less pull on their employers to purchase an expensive piece of equipment if the majority of home/apartment dwellers wouldn't be using or enjoying it themselves.  So it's a dilemma.


 


@Barry, I just bought a Porta Power for my handyman as well just last week.  What a co-inkydink!  I recommend to get the paper bags, Hoover Type N, but you have to get the plastic adapter as well!  Also, they offer a matching carrying case that really upgrades the entire experience of using the machine!

 

[justjunque]

Hi Bill

Oh, as usual, when I bought the PortaPower, I went all in.
I ordered the PortaPack (the carrying case/bag)
I got the adapter for disposable bags, along with a bunch of bags.
After all that, I haven't even unboxed any of it yet!

One thing that I wonder about:
The reusable bag has a rubber seal around the opening, which seals against the inside of the door.
The adapter has no such seal.
I'm trying to think of something that I can add to it to create a better seal.

Barry

 

[pupster]

Luxman107 contact?

Bumping an old thread since I'm interested in buying a Guardian Lux Platinum. I was quoted $2199 by the franchise in Manhattan, New York City. He said if I traded in my old electrolux, I would get $400 back. However, that's still a lot. I heard some people getting them cheaper. Luxman107, in particular, mentioned he had a contact. However, he doesn't have an email listed, so we can't email him. Anyone have his info, or if he's still reading this, can he reach out to me? Thanks.

 

[lesinutah]

Question

There is a vacuum an electolux Renaissance is for sale. He says it doesn't work
Would it be wise to pick up. I'm betting &35 would buy it.
He hasn't said was wrong or what was happening. If it's circuit board no way.
Les

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Could be the motor , circuit board ,or switch ,no way of finding out until you open the thing up really .

 

[txcleanfreak]

Aerus Electrolux platinum fair price?

Hello,
I am looking for a new Aerus vacuum. I have a guardian that is 15 years old and looking to replace it. Local store quoted 2500 (500 credit for guardian trade in). I really don’t want to trade in my guardian. I feel that 2500.00 is too much. Does anyone know where I can get one cheaper. I understand everyone needs to make a living, I just don’t want to be taken advantage of.

Thanks

 

[tolivac]

I have two 'Lux Guardian Platinum vacuums.They work really well-BUT---their circuit boards burn out with a crackle and a puff of smoke.The dealer replaces the boards under warrantee.One day I tried using one of my Platinum machines-the board burned out.Then I tried my other one----SAME-so I had to take BOTH vacuums to the dealer for board replacement.Right now I don't use these becuase of the board issue.Come on for a vacuum this expensive and quality the board should last the LIFE of the vacuum without worry.I have seen Meile vacuums at th vac shop here-he is a Meile dealer-and their boards can last the life of the machine-even those used commercially by a home cleaning service!I like my Guardians-but they are not "guardians" if their boards burn out after every other use.These do perform well!Got my second one on a sale.Less than half usual price.My other vacuums in my collection that have boards work just fine-no board problems there.Yes,even in my central vacs.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Sad story time

I know a friend who's parents had one since 2009/2010 and used it heavily until it broke. Then they gave it to me for free. Unfortunately it was so far gone that i had to scrap it for parts.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

It's good that i scrapped it for parts as they said that they were going to throw it in the trash until my friend told me i like vacuums.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

my friend told them*

 

[jshoe85]

Lux Legacy and Guardian Platinum

Luxman,

I realize this post is old but do you still have someone selling the Guardian Platinum? I was quoted $1700. Also, I need a VM3 motor for a LUX Legacy. Any brands any of you would recommend?

Thanks

 

[gabowenjr]

Guardian platinum discontinued

Hello, the guardian platinum has been discontinued. A new model will coming shortly.

 

[electromatik]

@gabowenjr

Totally discontinued??? Wow, that's quite a statement.

Here's to hoping it's not another regressive machine like the Guardian Ultra was.

 

[gabowenjr]

I should have said the current model guardian platinum has been discontinued and I am sure a new model is on the way. I agree I hope they make it better. I wish they would put the legacy style wands on it instead of the tristar wands as alot of older people have an issue pushing the release button and pulling the wands apart. I also hope they get rid of the attachment caddy on the wand and put the tools on the machine. Other than that the machine is a beast and is super quiet and powerful.

 

[tolivac]

The problem with my Guardian Platinum is the board in it fails constantly.No warning you plug the machine in to use it and POOF-a wisp of smoke comes out.The Aerus dealer here replaces the board.Then it happens again.Has this happened to anyone here?If this does happen to other customers-the machines should have been recalled and a better board put in.I haven't used my Guardians anymore becuase of this-shame the vacuum does a fine job and is very quiet,and powerful.

 

[dysonman1]

My Guardian Platinum is 7 years old now, with its original circuit board. The only thing I've done is replaced the Power Nozzle motor, belt, and brush with the new motor that takes a serpentine belt, the serpentine belt, and the brush roll that accepts the serpentine belt. My Power Nozzle is now almost silent as it runs. Nationwide Sales and Service out of New York sells those parts.

 

[electromatik]

Thanks for the clarification

Aerus doesn't make these machines. They are brought over from Europe. I guess that means the new machine in white is coming.

Sounds like another disappointment.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Lux S115

"Sounds like another disappointment." Yes.

 

[electromatik]

LOL...

I absolutely DESPISE white vacuums. They look good for a while, but they eventually grow progressively uglier.

Besides that, it's exactly like the last model. Just a different color and minor changes. No difference at all.

 

[panasonicvac]

Actually I wished Aerus had kept the Guardian Ultra, even if they would've made them for limited production runs. Still better filtration than either the Classic or the Legacy. Still more simpler than the Guardian Platinum. And still longer warranty than the Guardian Platinum.

 

[electromatik]

My issues with the Guardian Ultra was that it regurgitated a 30 year old body design. I don't mind the INSIDE of a machine staying the same (provided it is well engineered and sealed) but the OUTSIDE must move with the times to remain relevant. Even Kirby has updated the styling as much as they can. I did like one thing about the Ultra. I thought the light up logo was neat. They should do that again.

How good the Ultra's filtration was is debatable. Many noted the filter wasn't snug and gasketed. Many noted the Classic/Legacy/Ultra body style leaked air around the cord winder and other places. There is no reason that should happen in ANY vacuum nowadays.

Bottom line is that I think Aerus is finished with designing new vacs. They seem to be focusing on water and air filtration.

 

[tolivac]

Both Kirby and 'Lux stick with tried and proven designs that WORK!!No use changing something that has WORKED for all this time.Same with Rainbow,TriStar,and Filter Queen.The Aerus dealer in Greenville mentioned that Aerus was going to get into bedding.

 

[panasonicvac]

I agree, I wouldn't want anyone else to fall into the same mistake that Speed Queen did a few years ago with their washing machines. When they ditched their old and tried washing machines with their "Next Generation" models, that costed Speed Queen ALOT of controversy. Their new washers are not as good as their old ones, in fact they were not well received so much that they HAD to reintroduce another old school model that lots of people would expect to get from a washer.

 

[djub85]

A few thoughts here...

The Aerus Lux Guardian Platinum is/was manufactured by Lux International, which also made the Lux Intelligence and Sauber Intelligence (theses were Guardian Platinum clones that were also available in blue and black colored variants, I believe with varying levels of features). From what I gather, Lux International still makes the Sauber Excellence (a gold-colored version), and the Lux S115 (the "newer" white version).

The white colored Lux S115 has been on sale for several years now in Europe. If the white version was coming to the US, I feel like it would have arrived by now, probably.

To the best of my knowledge, there was a version of the Lux Intelligence before the current black/chrome Guardian Platinum model. If I remember correctly, Aerus and Lux International collaborated somewhat on that model, but Aerus declined to sell it because it was prone to failures similar to the ones you guys are mentioning on the GP. That's why the Guardian Ultra was born... it was a stopgap measure to add a new HEPA model until the kinks in the Lux International model were worked out... but maybe they were never worked out.

So I'm not sure what to think. If Aerus actually has discontinued the GP, I don't know what will replace it. Maybe the S115 if it has resolved the blown circuit board issues? I can't see Aerus designing something new from the ground up, but honestly I wouldn't mind seeing the Guardian Ultra return. I favor the classic look (how many appliances can you buy today that look so similar to something from decades ago?) It's kind of retro-cool, I think. However, a return of the Guardian Ultra would need better HEPA filtration (multi-stage) as well as probably a better sealed interior, a swivel hose at the canister end, and probably a variable speed motor. If Aerus could pull that off, it would be a worthy replacement for the GP. Regardless, I think the Ultra HEPA sealed system and filter need to be retrofitted in definitely the Legacy if not also the Classic, effective like yesterday.

 

[funeraldirector]

New Model

Hi,

If you look at the Sauber Excellence on Ebay Australia they are now available with a brushless motor I am guessing this might be what arrives here next.

Brian

 

[mike811]

I feel like the European Lux has gone downhill when they stopped making vacuums in Sweden.
I have early 90's Swedish Lux Royal D790 and no problems at all. Owner before me saved it from huge abuse and just cleaned it.
Still works to this day despite having circuit board for automatic motor speed control.
Hose is only thing what is not original.