cue003
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Great points and I do agree that the increase in features (subjective) that you get over say the Sebo or some of the other models doens't make up the difference in cost that is associated with the Lux.
Advice, looking for the BEST canister (Unhappy w/Miele)
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Cost is a huge issue
As an audiophile since I was 13, I understand that the more you go up in cost, you get incremental boosts. I have always prided myself on choosing the best products at various price points and knowing the market to find value items that work well together for less than the TOL products.
I find vacuums similar. It's all about taste and what gadgets you may want. I never cared about bells and whistles on my audio gear. I still run tube amps and preamp on my main system and I use a turntable and vinyl too. It's time to retube and that is costly, but the sound is addictive to anyone who has hear a proper tube set up.
I think in vacuums, that Miele, Lux and Kirby have set the price bar. I chose these three as they are the most known/available high end canisters and uprights. All of their TOL are basically around 1500 give or take. From there you go down in price, but you may loose features or power or build quality and it's up to you to figure out what you can and want to live with.
So many on this forum love Hoovers, Sears or Panasonics. Taking nothing away from them, but they are not in the same league as the Sebo, Lux, Tri STar, Kirby, Rainbow, Miele, Riccar/Sim or any of the other 'high end' models out there. They just aren't, but that doesn't mean they can't clean as good. It depends on how you clean and what you clean. The big difference will be cost over 10 years. That's what I went with when I broke the bank to buy a 700 vacuum. My wife wasn't happy of course as she wanted a nice box store model that she's known from TV ads. I didn't want to go disposable. I wanted some control on the wand handle. I wanted one that would stand up over time and look good in 5 years. I wanted a good filter system. Those were just my wants and I found what I was looking for. I'd change a few things on the D4 if I could, but overall, I'm very very pleased and I like looking at it and using it. That's what counted to me.
George has to have large tools and they much be onboard (I wanted them on board, but didn't care about size as long as they work good and in my home I love the sizes of the onboard tools as they reach the spots I need them too). Some would have wanted the 16" head, but I didn't. I did want white, but took black as that was the demo and the price was right.
As an audiophile since I was 13, I understand that the more you go up in cost, you get incremental boosts. I have always prided myself on choosing the best products at various price points and knowing the market to find value items that work well together for less than the TOL products.
I find vacuums similar. It's all about taste and what gadgets you may want. I never cared about bells and whistles on my audio gear. I still run tube amps and preamp on my main system and I use a turntable and vinyl too. It's time to retube and that is costly, but the sound is addictive to anyone who has hear a proper tube set up.
I think in vacuums, that Miele, Lux and Kirby have set the price bar. I chose these three as they are the most known/available high end canisters and uprights. All of their TOL are basically around 1500 give or take. From there you go down in price, but you may loose features or power or build quality and it's up to you to figure out what you can and want to live with.
So many on this forum love Hoovers, Sears or Panasonics. Taking nothing away from them, but they are not in the same league as the Sebo, Lux, Tri STar, Kirby, Rainbow, Miele, Riccar/Sim or any of the other 'high end' models out there. They just aren't, but that doesn't mean they can't clean as good. It depends on how you clean and what you clean. The big difference will be cost over 10 years. That's what I went with when I broke the bank to buy a 700 vacuum. My wife wasn't happy of course as she wanted a nice box store model that she's known from TV ads. I didn't want to go disposable. I wanted some control on the wand handle. I wanted one that would stand up over time and look good in 5 years. I wanted a good filter system. Those were just my wants and I found what I was looking for. I'd change a few things on the D4 if I could, but overall, I'm very very pleased and I like looking at it and using it. That's what counted to me.
George has to have large tools and they much be onboard (I wanted them on board, but didn't care about size as long as they work good and in my home I love the sizes of the onboard tools as they reach the spots I need them too). Some would have wanted the 16" head, but I didn't. I did want white, but took black as that was the demo and the price was right.
cue003
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Everyone/Everything has tradeoffs. That is probably why we have so many freaking options. When we were deciding my life didn't like certain things about certain cleaners. And some of the things that bothered her didn't worry or bother me.
For example:
Sebo.. she didn't like the way you had to bend down to adjust the wand (closer to the bottom of the wand of the wand and you had to pull up on it). She also didn't like having to bend down to adjust the carpet height on the PN. We have 5 different rugs that have 3 completely different settings for cleaning so the adjustments need to be made each time we clean. She didn't like that when you open the Sebo the bag dust cover was not automatically closed (didn't bother me since the flap is right there to close it). We loved the cord length and hose length but the hose still wasn't long enough for how we wanted to clean our house.
Aerus.. went to 3 dealers and she didn't like the experience we had at any of them (2 of them owned by the same person come to find out) so that made it automatically a no go simply based on experience with the establishment.
Tristar.. wide open dust chamber was an immediate turn off for her. For me I looked at it as a potential plus since she drops stuff all the time (especially her earrings and other jewelry) and with the Tristar I could at least try to find it in the bag if it got sucked up by the vacuum.
Kirby.. childhood experiences ruled it out. heavy on the carpet side and we would have looked closer to the Kirby and the Royal Metal series.
My point of all this is that best is going to be determined not just by cleaning power and features but also by the way you go about cleaning and what it is you have to clean.... as well as the frequency by which you clean.
Too bad we can't create a hybrid setup... size of the Miele, cord of the Sebo, wand of the Lux/Tristar (maybe) and canister wheels (for thick carpets) of the Henry (maybe).....not sure who I would choose for airflow/suction (maybe Miele again)... etc
For example:
Sebo.. she didn't like the way you had to bend down to adjust the wand (closer to the bottom of the wand of the wand and you had to pull up on it). She also didn't like having to bend down to adjust the carpet height on the PN. We have 5 different rugs that have 3 completely different settings for cleaning so the adjustments need to be made each time we clean. She didn't like that when you open the Sebo the bag dust cover was not automatically closed (didn't bother me since the flap is right there to close it). We loved the cord length and hose length but the hose still wasn't long enough for how we wanted to clean our house.
Aerus.. went to 3 dealers and she didn't like the experience we had at any of them (2 of them owned by the same person come to find out) so that made it automatically a no go simply based on experience with the establishment.
Tristar.. wide open dust chamber was an immediate turn off for her. For me I looked at it as a potential plus since she drops stuff all the time (especially her earrings and other jewelry) and with the Tristar I could at least try to find it in the bag if it got sucked up by the vacuum.
Kirby.. childhood experiences ruled it out. heavy on the carpet side and we would have looked closer to the Kirby and the Royal Metal series.
My point of all this is that best is going to be determined not just by cleaning power and features but also by the way you go about cleaning and what it is you have to clean.... as well as the frequency by which you clean.
Too bad we can't create a hybrid setup... size of the Miele, cord of the Sebo, wand of the Lux/Tristar (maybe) and canister wheels (for thick carpets) of the Henry (maybe).....not sure who I would choose for airflow/suction (maybe Miele again)... etc
cue003
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oh yeah and I forgot, we looked at Simplicity/Riccar as well. She felt for the money spent the Miele/Sebo was a better...and above all she said they don't look as nice as the Miele/Sebo. LOL. At some point the looks do come into play and the blue color of the Marin was right up her alley. 
Rainbow...she said NO WAY to changing the water and stuff on a regular basis. She said you buy that and you will be the ONLY person vacuuming ever.. too gross for her. I didn't like that option so it got checked off.
Happy wife, happy life.
Thanks guys.
Rainbow...she said NO WAY to changing the water and stuff on a regular basis. She said you buy that and you will be the ONLY person vacuuming ever.. too gross for her. I didn't like that option so it got checked off.
Happy wife, happy life.
Thanks guys.
