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I wanted to make this thread to show how out of touch someone can be when it comes to bagged vacuums. I’m not starting any drama, I just want to see what other people think of this dude. To give you the best description of this guy, he is simply a Dyson fanatic that hasn’t really used that many kinds of vacuums. In his own world, bagless vacuums are better since they not only “save time” and “money”, but they work better since they have cyclones. That right there shows us that he has NEVER taken apart or even looked at the insides of the cyclones that Dyson has. He also thinks that agitation isn’t important. That just blew me away. I was swearing left and right when he said that. Apparently, the so called “science” shows that cyclones work better. In my opinion, this is kind of a liberal thing to do. They always go off on science, but never see the reality. I don’t give a rats ass how cyclones work. If they just collect dust and odours, then the so called science is meaningless. He also thinks that a full vacuum bag loses suction. I told him that I’ve used a vacuum bag made out of cloth that was more than full, and it still performed like normal. This might sound like a waste of time, but I told him how bagged vacuums were better in every way possible. All he mentioned was what his fake video said. I also told him that I have experience from using all kinds of vacuums. I won’t tell you everything I said since that would take so much of your time, but he continued to say how I was wrong. Apparently me even fixing vacuum motors wasn’t enough. Two last bizarre things he has said was how vacuum stores were a scam and how people who use bagged vacuum for allergies were “ignorant”. Yes, he actually said those things. He stated how vacuum stores were a “scam” and how they were praying on poor and ignorant technology. You can tell this dude knows nothing about owning a business. He also thinks that people who have allergies are dumb for using bagged vacuums since they don’t know how to empty the bin. There is only one way to empty the bin! What is he thinking? He doesn’t know that they aren’t fully sealed or that dust goes back into the air when emptying them. After watching his videos and getting his horrible reply, this guy hasn’t used that many vacuums like I’ve said. I’ve heard some people claiming he gets paid by Dyson. What do you think of this man? Is he just that out of touch? Let me know.
 
Just forget about it

There's already another thread about him and no matter what people say, it certainly won't change his views or beliefs and that's one of the reasons why I've never left a comment on his videos. There's a huge difference between joining in the fire versus stepping away. While I may not agree with him on alot of things, I will say though that he has some points. It is true that bags can lose suction even if they are cloth bags, because dust can plug up the pores it'd breathe out of. That's why James Dyson's Hoover Junior got clogged. It is also true that cyclones can same time and money. Take a look at this video that backs up my claims, in fact this was how James Dyson got the inspiration from is a cyclone from a dust collector in a woodshop. While I may be a bagged person myself, I can't say that they're in every way better.

 
What??

How could anyone make such claims on vacuums if he has (what I assume) little to no experience. It really annoys me what he said. When I fix people’s vacuums, It’s all bagless! They clog so much easier.
 
Looking at vacuum cleaner advertising, say, from the 1950s and '60s, compared to the past 20 years, it's interesting to see that the 'advantages' touted back then for disposable filter bags and for bagless machines today is virtually identical. Phrases like 'quicker', 'less mess', and 'more convenient' dominate both, but they tend to ring hollow for the bagless plasticrap machines. Yeah, it's quick to dump the dirt cup and put it back into place, but that ignores the necessary maintenance of also cleaning the filter(s), which takes a lot of time and can be very messy. For me, filter bags are the only to go.
 
Looking at vacuum cleaner advertising, say, from the 1950s and '60s, compared to the past 20 years, it's interesting to see that the 'advantages' touted back then for disposable filter bags and for bagless machines today is virtually identical. Phrases like 'quicker', 'less mess', and 'more convenient' dominate both, but they tend to ring hollow for the bagless plasticrap machines. Yeah, it's quick to dump the dirt cup and put it back into place, but that ignores the necessary maintenance of also cleaning the filter(s), which takes a lot of time and can be very messy. For me, filter bags are the only to go.
The filters on my Dyson take months to get dirty enough to wash them, and for me, it's not messy. I tend to keep up on the maintenance on my vacuums lol.
 
While I generally find him to be arrogant, condescending and abrasive he did point out a flaw in how I was calculating airflow at the end of the hose, namely that the speed of air moving through the center of the hose will be higher than it is at the walls. Since airflow is airspeed in ft per min multiplied by the area of the orifice in square feet, getting the airspeed measurement correct becomes vital. He forced me to do some independent research on the subject and I discovered he has a point, and that lo and behold there is a rule of thumb factor to apply to the airspeed measured in the center of the hose to calculate an average airspeed to use in the airflow calculation. But it was needlessly painful getting there, his arguments cluttered with all kinds of superfluous math and long winded videos.
 
I wanted to make this thread to show how out of touch someone can be when it comes to bagged vacuums. I’m not starting any drama, I just want to see what other people think of this dude. To give you the best description of this guy, he is simply a Dyson fanatic that hasn’t really used that many kinds of vacuums. In his own world, bagless vacuums are better since they not only “save time” and “money”, but they work better since they have cyclones. That right there shows us that he has NEVER taken apart or even looked at the insides of the cyclones that Dyson has. He also thinks that agitation isn’t important. That just blew me away. I was swearing left and right when he said that. Apparently, the so called “science” shows that cyclones work better. In my opinion, this is kind of a liberal thing to do. They always go off on science, but never see the reality. I don’t give a rats ass how cyclones work. If they just collect dust and odours, then the so called science is meaningless. He also thinks that a full vacuum bag loses suction. I told him that I’ve used a vacuum bag made out of cloth that was more than full, and it still performed like normal. This might sound like a waste of time, but I told him how bagged vacuums were better in every way possible. All he mentioned was what his fake video said. I also told him that I have experience from using all kinds of vacuums. I won’t tell you everything I said since that would take so much of your time, but he continued to say how I was wrong. Apparently me even fixing vacuum motors wasn’t enough. Two last bizarre things he has said was how vacuum stores were a scam and how people who use bagged vacuum for allergies were “ignorant”. Yes, he actually said those things. He stated how vacuum stores were a “scam” and how they were praying on poor and ignorant technology. You can tell this dude knows nothing about owning a business. He also thinks that people who have allergies are dumb for using bagged vacuums since they don’t know how to empty the bin. There is only one way to empty the bin! What is he thinking? He doesn’t know that they aren’t fully sealed or that dust goes back into the air when emptying them. After watching his videos and getting his horrible reply, this guy hasn’t used that many vacuums like I’ve said. I’ve heard some people claiming he gets paid by Dyson. What do you think of this man? Is he just that out of touch? Let me know.
Some vacuums stores are honest and treat customers good but others like the Aerus dealer for our region are greedy and highly dishonest. The industry has its characters and its villains. Ask Dysonman how Tacony Corp treated him and how they tried to steal his collection. Even though our state has a Right to Repair law on the books that Aerus dealer will not even sell me a brush roll or belt, insisting I have to bring it to their shop 3 hours or more away depending on how heavy my right foot is for them to repair and they are not cheap. I once ordered replacement bags and filters from them for my Guardian Platinum thinking I wanted to give some business to the local dealer. Last time I do that with them. They wouldn't tell me the price before they added in shipping but their prices on each item ended up being more than double the price charged for the identical supplies on the Aerus website. And to top it off they insist the Guardian Platinum is made in the US along with everything else on the vacuum despite the data tag on the bottom of the vacuum saying it is Made in EU and the power nozzle says Made in China.
There are also shops that will tell a customer it will cost $200 to replace a $35 relay on a Panasonic canister. This was maybe ten years ago when all the parts were readily available and cheap. You know how that game is played. Dealer highballs the repair price, talks the customer into trading it in on a new vacuum, repairs the old one for $35 and 20 minutes of labor and turns around and sells it for $200. I helped the person find the part for $35 and showed them how to fix it. Not saying every shop plays these games but enough do to make people shun them. And then you have the crooked sales tactics of Kirby, Patriot and Rainbow.
 
@Vacuum Facts is not a Dyson fanboy. He hates the way the V16 is launched, but otherwise loves it. He loves all the powerful cordless gear enough to be considered main-equivalent, but he also hates the Dyson suits now, now that V16 has been crippled at launch and has to be fixed currently by a freaking mod. He may be abrasive, sure, but he definitely is quite objective.
Just forget about it

There's already another thread about him and no matter what people say, it certainly won't change his views or beliefs and that's one of the reasons why I've never left a comment on his videos. There's a huge difference between joining in the fire versus stepping away. While I may not agree with him on alot of things, I will say though that he has some points. It is true that bags can lose suction even if they are cloth bags, because dust can plug up the pores it'd breathe out of. That's why James Dyson's Hoover Junior got clogged. It is also true that cyclones can same time and money. Take a look at this video that backs up my claims, in fact this was how James Dyson got the inspiration from is a cyclone from a dust collector in a woodshop. While I may be a bagged person myself, I can't say that they're in every way better.


Dyson only recently started doing away with their iconic (and patented) cyclonic filtration with the PencilVac. Also, cyclones are most likely to be clogged through abuse, disuse, neglect and overloading, as he noted.
I wanted to make this thread to show how out of touch someone can be when it comes to bagged vacuums. I’m not starting any drama, I just want to see what other people think of this dude. To give you the best description of this guy, he is simply a Dyson fanatic that hasn’t really used that many kinds of vacuums. In his own world, bagless vacuums are better since they not only “save time” and “money”, but they work better since they have cyclones. That right there shows us that he has NEVER taken apart or even looked at the insides of the cyclones that Dyson has. He also thinks that agitation isn’t important. That just blew me away. I was swearing left and right when he said that. Apparently, the so called “science” shows that cyclones work better. In my opinion, this is kind of a liberal thing to do. They always go off on science, but never see the reality. I don’t give a rats ass how cyclones work. If they just collect dust and odours, then the so called science is meaningless. He also thinks that a full vacuum bag loses suction. I told him that I’ve used a vacuum bag made out of cloth that was more than full, and it still performed like normal. This might sound like a waste of time, but I told him how bagged vacuums were better in every way possible. All he mentioned was what his fake video said. I also told him that I have experience from using all kinds of vacuums. I won’t tell you everything I said since that would take so much of your time, but he continued to say how I was wrong. Apparently me even fixing vacuum motors wasn’t enough. Two last bizarre things he has said was how vacuum stores were a scam and how people who use bagged vacuum for allergies were “ignorant”. Yes, he actually said those things. He stated how vacuum stores were a “scam” and how they were praying on poor and ignorant technology. You can tell this dude knows nothing about owning a business. He also thinks that people who have allergies are dumb for using bagged vacuums since they don’t know how to empty the bin. There is only one way to empty the bin! What is he thinking? He doesn’t know that they aren’t fully sealed or that dust goes back into the air when emptying them. After watching his videos and getting his horrible reply, this guy hasn’t used that many vacuums like I’ve said. I’ve heard some people claiming he gets paid by Dyson. What do you think of this man? Is he just that out of touch? Let me know.
It's as I said above. And as for the bagged machines... they clogs far more easily than bagless ones (especially the properly cyclonic machines, such as the aforementioned main-equivalent Dyson cordless) - they loses suction so much and so often, Dyson basically said "fuck that" and made the now-popular cyclonic technology in vacuum cleaners. 5,127+ prototypes weren't for nothing! Bags are only (remotely) hygienic because they traps all the content, but even then, they can emit odors. Bags are more likely to be dumped to landfills. Bags are almost definitely a source of running cost, versus the cyclonic "BS" whose running cost are primarily from maintenance which likely won't be nearly halfway as much as even the most economic of bagged crap.

Bags barely have any advantages left over bagless bins, and the time has changed and technology marches on. As such, it's easy to see that bagless vacuum have been the future for decades at this point. Even the aforementioned PencilVac is still bagless. You guys can fix the motors all you want, but you can't truly overcome the limitations the bags have.

I'm not a fanboy either. I'm amazed by the technologies, and I know the V16 should've been THE superior vacuum, but too bad, Dyson suits actually managed to cripple it with some design decisions that created a mistake that halved the max motor power and drastically reduced cleaning performance (particularly on carpets). That's absolutely stupid of Dyson to initially ignore the problems, and they really needs to revise the model to fix the problem ASAP. @Vacuum Facts actually loved the launch-but-modded V16 he now owns, but absolutely loathes what Dyson suits did to the machine and actually wishes the company would actually own up to that and their award-winning but now disgusting customer service.

(And guess what? Obviously! V16 is also bagless!)

Also, his videos already talked about how bagged vacuum cleaners work, and yet you rabid vacuum enthusiasts (my words, but his term) simply didn't take any of it seriously enough. Bagged machines are not good in the long term. The main reason the likes of Dyson even breaks is likely because of overload and/or abuse and neglect. If you take care of your machine, it will likely last. This applies to both bagged and bagless, and you know the complaints about the bagless stuff breaking down.

@vacuum Fact is right at the end - you just have to tolerate his abrasiveness and bluntness.
 

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