A little pet peeve I have...

[panasonicvac]

I wouldn't say it's as sealed as some other higher end machines due to being a budget model but it would definitely do a much better job than any shake out bagged vacuum with it's dual cyclonic no loss of suction technology and multi-stage filtration. As long as you replace the filters and tune the vacuum up daily, you'd be fine.

 

[kloveland]

"tune the vacuum up daily, you'd be fine." - that's the key! Will most janitors and housekeeping staff do that? no. That is why I like the tried and true Sanitaire dumb bag machines, they can take abuse.

 

[panasonicvac]

Eh I disagree that those Sanitaires can take abuse. Because they're direct air machines, there can be more problems to occur. The belts you need to change quite often because they stretch out more than probably any other rubber belt. Fans also require changing when they wear out and/or break. And if not too careful whenever you'd pick up some things that you shouldn't, you can definitely ruin your brushroll or motor by bending the shafts. Also it doesn't help that Sanitaire now uses cheap plastic motors that definitely don't lasts as long or longer than the metal motors, not to mention they aren't repairable like the metal motors. I'd much rather take a Windsor over a Sanitaire. Even though the disposable bags that Windsors take can clog up more than the shake bags on the Sanitaires, Windsors have more advantages than disadvantages. No belts required to be changed, brushrolls or brushstrips are much easier to change out, the fans won't go bad, I can suck up some things that won't damage the vacuum unlike the Sanitaires because they're bypass machines, and I can use the hose with attachments on-board. I've overall find Windsors more reliable than Sanitaires. Not to mention most people don't know how to fix up Sanitaires. This video from one of our members here can help back me up. If I had to use a direct air machine for commercial use, I'd rather use a NSS M1 PIG because I've seen those last longer than Sanitaires. And being a canister design, I can definitely get into areas that the Sanitaires won't reach.

 

[tolivac]

That video is for vacuums used for FOOD SERVICE use--NO-REPEAT NO VACUUM can be used for food service use.Use a Bissel type sweeper or a broom!None of these will get clogged from food matter spilled on food service place floors.And the carpeted floors will need steam cleaning from a commercial cleaning truck mount cleaner like every month.

 

[dysonman1]

The commercial "Perfect" canister vacuum (No powernozzle) is 'perfect' for restaurant use. I order them with the cloth shake-out bag. They are very tough. There's an Applebees here in town that's had their machine 4 years (which is a LONG time for a restaurant). When the thermostat kicks the machine OFF, the busboys take the cloth bag outside and empty it. By the time they get back inside, the thermal has reset.

There is a roller rink here in town that buys Commercial Orecks, which break fans and clog constantly. Then they went to dust cup Sanitaires. Broken fans and belts. Finally I got them to buy Perfect suction-only canisters and we've had no problems. The teenagers who work there don't care at all about the machine and the owner doesn't hold them accountable since she's so thankful there's any employees at all. Again, they run them until the thermal shuts it down, then they empty the cloth bag. I know HEPA disposable bags are available, but there's no way the company is spending that extra expense when the machines don't get taken care of in any way. 6 month life in total is to be expected.

 

[human]

When I worked at Pizza Hut, off and on in 1982-83, we used a Craftsman wet/dry shop vac to vacuum the dining room. Yeah, this was back when Pizza Huts had dining rooms, which not many pizza places do anymore. That machine was in service when I started working there in May of '82 and worked there for the summer. When I went back the next summer, after coming home from my freshman year of college, it was still going strong, albeit with some duct tape holding the plastic wands together. It was absolutely the perfect machine for that application, sucking up fragments of pizza crust, pasta, salad, lemons from tea, etc. We just dumped it into the garbage barrel at the end of the night.

 

[panasonicvac]

I've used Windsor Sensor XP15s' at a local retirement community that I used to work at in the dining hall and other than the bags clogging up real fast, I've hadn't had any major problems with them. They were basically in the same condition that this one was in from the same member here. Definitely cleaned better than any broom or carpet sweeper they've also had there until they replaced all the carpet with hardwood floors.

 

[vaclab]

Filtration on those pillowsacks is almost nonexistent

Is a completely false statement. Watch this video and you'll see just how good the filtration is. And these AREN'T PILLOWSACKS! And haven't been in many decades. This isn't the 1940's (and back) anymore.



I've also uploaded a photo with the appropriate screenshot showing just how well the black shakeout bag filters. HEPA? Of course not, but it's probably just as good as your baseline home air quality is.

As far as the dumping process, there are ways to nearly completely avoid any mess or breathing in the dirt. Literally, use the machine itself to blow out the bag and point it away from you while doing it.

Facts Over Fiction!

Bill

 

[amtraksebo1997]

(to as many ppl as i can respond to here)

Ok maybe I shouldn't have assumed that all dump-out bagged machines have terrible filtration, my bad. however, if I were a commercial cleaner, I would still try to use a machine that could take disposable bags in some fashion. Like for example, if I were using an F&G Sanitare, I'd try to install a bag with a fill tube and rear zipper. I still somewhat stand by my statements and opinions. Also on a side note, in Prefromance Review's video, he mentions that dump-out bags are becoming illegal to sell in certain states or areas. I'm curious to know what he meant by that.

As for the topic of a commercial vacuum in a restaurant, that's kind of a tricky one for me to pick a good recommendation. probably not a traditional upright, but maybe a canister vac with a wet/dry debris separator (like the one Vacumaid produced). Idk, but a shop vac seems to be a decent choice, as long as there was some filtration in it.

 

[adam-aussie-vac]

I’ll admit,

Dump out bags do have their place especially in places where particular bags may be very hard to come bye because that particular brand of vacuum may not be in the market anymore in that country, a great example is in Australia we do occasionally have Royals showing up, but you can’t get bags for them if they use disposable Bags, although open top GE’s are a different story as I found out there are bags that can easily fit that machine

 

[amtraksebo1997]

Adam-Aussie-Vac

In general, I'd say you should avoid them if you can.

 

[huskyvacs]

Anything to do with dump out bags and dirt clouds, everyone that has a bagless vacuum already is exposed to. It's the same exact thing. If you are that sensitive to dirt then you should not own a dump bag vacuum, or a bagless vacuum. If you do, just dump the dirt outside in the can. Totally a non-issue.

The reason dump bags are used in janitorial equipment is the amount of carpet they have to vacuum every single day. If they used paper bags, those bags would fill up within an hour or two, or get punctured, and the retail price of constantly ordering new packages of bags in bulk would be extremely expensive and far surpass the entire purchase price of the vacuum in due time. Commercial buildings will have enormous air filtration HVAC systems anyway, and with such a large square footage any dust spreading out is nothing to even care about.

 

[panasonicvac]

During the pandemic, there were a TON of short handed supplies and/or backorders on vacuum bags. It was ridiculous. If you run out of bags and if you had to wait weeks if not months for more to come in especially for commercial applications, you're basically screwed.

 

[huskyvacs]

Yup, I seen a lot of old commercial vacuums being kicked out onto eBay during covid. It was a venerable smorgasbord. Since everyone was getting free money and businesses were getting tax deductions, rather than continuing to use their current vacuums they just went out and bought new ones and sold the old ones, even if nothing was wrong. That's how I got the Lindhaus I got. Also got a Bissell Big Green too (sadly not the good ones, one of the cheaper priced models). I haven't seen hardly any old commercial vacs get auctioned off so frequently since then.

 

[lesinutah]

If

I was vacuuming a few hours a day I'd do the sanitaire shakeout. I'd also take the bags off and wash weekly or monthly. I'd then get a leaf blower and blow all the excess dust out of the vacuum with the bag off.

You could always put a shakeout bag inside the shakeout and there'd be little issues with dust.
When I use sanitaire at home I have the ST setup with hepa bags.

 

[amtraksebo1997]

Idk man

If I were a commercial cleaner that had issues obtaining proper bags for my vacuums, I'd maybe get a bagless commercial vacuum that's sealed and has HEPA filtration, because I do believe they exist. But hey, that's just me.

 

[panasonicvac]

The closest one you'd find for your needs would again be the Hoover TaskVac Commercial. Sanitaire's bagless Force models are another option I'd recommend as well but they're not dual cyclonic which means you'd be dealing with constantly clogged filters, worse than shakeout bags clogging up. Not to mention the filters combined can cost more to replace than buying the F&G paper bags. So even without using a vacuum with a shakeout bag, you're technically still burning more money with a bagless vacuum as what hushyvacs pointed out with the cost of disposable bags.

 

[huskyvacs]

Hoover and Sanitaire both made bagless commercial uprights in the 90s and 00's but they never really took off. They are out there though.

 

[huskyvacs]

As I understand though this dirt cup system was a flawed design and didn't always work, or it kept clogging up, I forget what the consensus was.

Forgot to add there was an Elite style one too that had the bag on the front.

 

[mark40511]

scrolling through this post on reply # 19 says

It's not "as" sealed as some higher end machines because it's a budget vacuum...

This confuses me... How can something be not as sealed? Isn't it either sealed or it is NOT sealed?

I've literally never used a vacuum that used a shake out bag...the closest thing I can think to that experience was those dirt devil hand vacs...with the brush roll from the late 80s/90s...they had the red cloth thick bag... My grandma would use that exclusively for dryer lint... and it would fill up and I would always DREAD cleaning it...but interestingly enough...you never noticed dust out the outside of the bag...