amtraksebo1997
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Adam-Aussie-Vac
In general, I'd say you should avoid them if you can.
In general, I'd say you should avoid them if you can.
A little pet peeve I have...
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huskyvacs
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Anything to do with dump out bags and dirt clouds, everyone that has a bagless vacuum already is exposed to. It's the same exact thing. If you are that sensitive to dirt then you should not own a dump bag vacuum, or a bagless vacuum. If you do, just dump the dirt outside in the can. Totally a non-issue.
The reason dump bags are used in janitorial equipment is the amount of carpet they have to vacuum every single day. If they used paper bags, those bags would fill up within an hour or two, or get punctured, and the retail price of constantly ordering new packages of bags in bulk would be extremely expensive and far surpass the entire purchase price of the vacuum in due time. Commercial buildings will have enormous air filtration HVAC systems anyway, and with such a large square footage any dust spreading out is nothing to even care about.
The reason dump bags are used in janitorial equipment is the amount of carpet they have to vacuum every single day. If they used paper bags, those bags would fill up within an hour or two, or get punctured, and the retail price of constantly ordering new packages of bags in bulk would be extremely expensive and far surpass the entire purchase price of the vacuum in due time. Commercial buildings will have enormous air filtration HVAC systems anyway, and with such a large square footage any dust spreading out is nothing to even care about.
panasonicvac
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During the pandemic, there were a TON of short handed supplies and/or backorders on vacuum bags. It was ridiculous. If you run out of bags and if you had to wait weeks if not months for more to come in especially for commercial applications, you're basically screwed.
huskyvacs
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Yup, I seen a lot of old commercial vacuums being kicked out onto eBay during covid. It was a venerable smorgasbord. Since everyone was getting free money and businesses were getting tax deductions, rather than continuing to use their current vacuums they just went out and bought new ones and sold the old ones, even if nothing was wrong. That's how I got the Lindhaus I got. Also got a Bissell Big Green too (sadly not the good ones, one of the cheaper priced models). I haven't seen hardly any old commercial vacs get auctioned off so frequently since then.
If
I was vacuuming a few hours a day I'd do the sanitaire shakeout. I'd also take the bags off and wash weekly or monthly. I'd then get a leaf blower and blow all the excess dust out of the vacuum with the bag off.
You could always put a shakeout bag inside the shakeout and there'd be little issues with dust.
When I use sanitaire at home I have the ST setup with hepa bags.
I was vacuuming a few hours a day I'd do the sanitaire shakeout. I'd also take the bags off and wash weekly or monthly. I'd then get a leaf blower and blow all the excess dust out of the vacuum with the bag off.
You could always put a shakeout bag inside the shakeout and there'd be little issues with dust.
When I use sanitaire at home I have the ST setup with hepa bags.
amtraksebo1997
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Idk man
If I were a commercial cleaner that had issues obtaining proper bags for my vacuums, I'd maybe get a bagless commercial vacuum that's sealed and has HEPA filtration, because I do believe they exist. But hey, that's just me.
If I were a commercial cleaner that had issues obtaining proper bags for my vacuums, I'd maybe get a bagless commercial vacuum that's sealed and has HEPA filtration, because I do believe they exist. But hey, that's just me.
panasonicvac
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The closest one you'd find for your needs would again be the Hoover TaskVac Commercial. Sanitaire's bagless Force models are another option I'd recommend as well but they're not dual cyclonic which means you'd be dealing with constantly clogged filters, worse than shakeout bags clogging up. Not to mention the filters combined can cost more to replace than buying the F&G paper bags. So even without using a vacuum with a shakeout bag, you're technically still burning more money with a bagless vacuum as what hushyvacs pointed out with the cost of disposable bags.
huskyvacs
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Hoover and Sanitaire both made bagless commercial uprights in the 90s and 00's but they never really took off. They are out there though.
huskyvacs
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As I understand though this dirt cup system was a flawed design and didn't always work, or it kept clogging up, I forget what the consensus was.
Forgot to add there was an Elite style one too that had the bag on the front.
Forgot to add there was an Elite style one too that had the bag on the front.
mark40511
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scrolling through this post on reply # 19 says
It's not "as" sealed as some higher end machines because it's a budget vacuum...
This confuses me... How can something be not as sealed? Isn't it either sealed or it is NOT sealed?
I've literally never used a vacuum that used a shake out bag...the closest thing I can think to that experience was those dirt devil hand vacs...with the brush roll from the late 80s/90s...they had the red cloth thick bag... My grandma would use that exclusively for dryer lint... and it would fill up and I would always DREAD cleaning it...but interestingly enough...you never noticed dust out the outside of the bag...
It's not "as" sealed as some higher end machines because it's a budget vacuum...
This confuses me... How can something be not as sealed? Isn't it either sealed or it is NOT sealed?
I've literally never used a vacuum that used a shake out bag...the closest thing I can think to that experience was those dirt devil hand vacs...with the brush roll from the late 80s/90s...they had the red cloth thick bag... My grandma would use that exclusively for dryer lint... and it would fill up and I would always DREAD cleaning it...but interestingly enough...you never noticed dust out the outside of the bag...
panasonicvac
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Clarification
The picture shows just how well the exhaust filter can trap the dust, that's where air blows out the most. But everywhere else you'd find some air with dust blowing out. This is still better than say like for example a Bissell ProCup even though it claims to have a HEPA filter, it cannot filter as well as the Hoover or the Sanitaire Force. But is both the Hoover and Sanitaire Forces completely sealed like say a Windsor? No. To my knowlege, there is NOT a single bagless commercial vacuum on the market today that is completely sealed and probably will never be.
The picture shows just how well the exhaust filter can trap the dust, that's where air blows out the most. But everywhere else you'd find some air with dust blowing out. This is still better than say like for example a Bissell ProCup even though it claims to have a HEPA filter, it cannot filter as well as the Hoover or the Sanitaire Force. But is both the Hoover and Sanitaire Forces completely sealed like say a Windsor? No. To my knowlege, there is NOT a single bagless commercial vacuum on the market today that is completely sealed and probably will never be.
amtraksebo1997
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Bruh.
Bruh.
wstonehockertv
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Let's get one thing straight, shake-out bags and bagless vacuums means you are making a deal with the vacuum devil. Would a water filtration vacuum be any better than a shake-out bag? As long as one reads the ENCLOSED INSTRUCTION BOOK, using and maintaining a water filtration machine is not difficult.
I do not mind a shake-out bag in those old Royal/DD handvacs from the 1980's and early-to-mid 1990's because it's smaller than what y'all find in those Sanitaire/Eureka and Oreck machines, so emptying it out is not the worst thing in the world (provided if it's done outside). The general consensus is that bigger is not better.
Now if I had an apartment with wall-to-wall carpeting and ended up with a machine that used a shake-out bag, I could use a bagged canister like the Bissell Zing to vacuum out the shake-out bag and make it look like new. It beats having to dump it in the trash can.
What do you guys think?
I do not mind a shake-out bag in those old Royal/DD handvacs from the 1980's and early-to-mid 1990's because it's smaller than what y'all find in those Sanitaire/Eureka and Oreck machines, so emptying it out is not the worst thing in the world (provided if it's done outside). The general consensus is that bigger is not better.
Now if I had an apartment with wall-to-wall carpeting and ended up with a machine that used a shake-out bag, I could use a bagged canister like the Bissell Zing to vacuum out the shake-out bag and make it look like new. It beats having to dump it in the trash can.
What do you guys think?
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