hvrvaclvr
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The Whirlwind performs very well. But that dirt cup was just a disaster. It was hard to empty and clean the second chamber that the "cyclone" was in.
2000s Bagless Systems
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floor-a-matic
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XXX DuoPower; U had TWO dirt containers to empty. Large one for larger debris; smaller container (where filter is located) behind the large container holds the fine dust/dirt
suckolux
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you have to know, after trying to use it and give it away, it got parted out!
henrydreyfuss
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My family owned a Whirlwind back when I was growing up..
The bagless system wasn't very efficient, but better than anything Eureka produced for about 15 years afterward. The real problem was that the two pre-motor filters were extremely thin, and not sealed, so they let a ton of dirt into the motor. Our first-gen Whirlwind (that I begged my Mom for haha), had a burned out-motor after just a year of use. I took great care of that piece of garbage too. My parents were furious!
At the time we didn't have Dysons in the US, and I thought the style of the Whirlwind was so radical and different, in yellow and gray, with a clear hose. I didn't know that Eureka had just blatantly copied Dyson, their bagless tech, and their style!
Eureka got sued over that vacuum by Dyson, and they're still playing catch-up with their horrible bagless models, which finally have dual-cyclonic filtration again.
In the US, the late 90's and early 2000's were a pretty dark time for bagless vacuums, and department store machines in general. Not to say they're all great now, but there are much better options than there were, and a lot of companies learned from their mistakes, after a decade of high-maintenance, weak-performing, poor-filtering machines. A lot of those early bagless offerings were huge and heavy too, and their on-board tools were nearly useless![this post was last edited: 11/29/2015-17:02]
The bagless system wasn't very efficient, but better than anything Eureka produced for about 15 years afterward. The real problem was that the two pre-motor filters were extremely thin, and not sealed, so they let a ton of dirt into the motor. Our first-gen Whirlwind (that I begged my Mom for haha), had a burned out-motor after just a year of use. I took great care of that piece of garbage too. My parents were furious!
At the time we didn't have Dysons in the US, and I thought the style of the Whirlwind was so radical and different, in yellow and gray, with a clear hose. I didn't know that Eureka had just blatantly copied Dyson, their bagless tech, and their style!
Eureka got sued over that vacuum by Dyson, and they're still playing catch-up with their horrible bagless models, which finally have dual-cyclonic filtration again.
In the US, the late 90's and early 2000's were a pretty dark time for bagless vacuums, and department store machines in general. Not to say they're all great now, but there are much better options than there were, and a lot of companies learned from their mistakes, after a decade of high-maintenance, weak-performing, poor-filtering machines. A lot of those early bagless offerings were huge and heavy too, and their on-board tools were nearly useless![this post was last edited: 11/29/2015-17:02]
Most bagless vacuums-clean their way to the dumpster!Or they wait out their final life on the curb--waiting for their pressing fate in the trash truck!
durango159
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I don't like the big filters sitting in the middle of the dirt cup like what Dirt Devil did most of the time!!
This Altima really annoys me though. Mainly cause the foam filters accomplish basically nothing. I have taken in and restored about 6 of this style machine over the years and have told myself never to do it a again. The entire machine, every part just gets caked in dirt!!
The dirt cup only really retains large dirt particles. When you take that out there is a mess of dirt all around the dirt cup compartment. There is a foam filter compartment just above the dirt cup. This filters turns horrendous in a just minute of vacuuming and power of the vacuum decreases quick. It's a foam overlay on a white felt like material. Don't worry this dual filter combo doesn't stop a heavenly layer of dust from forming on the plastic intake towards motor area behind the filter!!
The motor areas of these machines are filthy. The headlight is kept in its own separate compartment and all of those compartments are always caked in dirt and the bulbs needs cleaning on each of the machines I've worked of this series!!
This Altima really annoys me though. Mainly cause the foam filters accomplish basically nothing. I have taken in and restored about 6 of this style machine over the years and have told myself never to do it a again. The entire machine, every part just gets caked in dirt!!
The dirt cup only really retains large dirt particles. When you take that out there is a mess of dirt all around the dirt cup compartment. There is a foam filter compartment just above the dirt cup. This filters turns horrendous in a just minute of vacuuming and power of the vacuum decreases quick. It's a foam overlay on a white felt like material. Don't worry this dual filter combo doesn't stop a heavenly layer of dust from forming on the plastic intake towards motor area behind the filter!!
The motor areas of these machines are filthy. The headlight is kept in its own separate compartment and all of those compartments are always caked in dirt and the bulbs needs cleaning on each of the machines I've worked of this series!!
reo580
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Ah- The 2000's bag-less machines..... Good Times Good Ti
Most of the pictures of the late 90's to mid 2000's I saw on this thread made me smile and chuckle. I was working as a vacuum cleaner repairman in the mid 2000's. God, how I hated those bagless machines!!! Especially the yellow and gray dual chamber Eureka Whirlwind- That was my enemy #1.
I remember that people would see them on TV - and buy them. Then they would never maintain them and by the time they were on my repair bench, they were pretty much FUBAR'ed beyond any hope. Another laugh I got at that time was their owners were incredibly cheap- they's balk at a $10.00 belt job.
My favorite was that most of the Jon Q's that bought them thought that "Bagless" meant "maintenance-less". I can remember calling a customer with a quote and he was shocked that it needed new belt and filters "But it's Bagless!! It shouldn't need any of that" he said over the phone as he then blew a gasket and threw a hissy fit over the final cost of the repair.
At the time we used Compressed air to blow out the housings of the machines. Most of them were in pet households. My biggest pet peeve ( no pun intended) was when I would blow them out and the stench of "PET" would blow all over me.
That would really make my day.
But I digress, seeing the photos of some of those machines brought back memories and gave me a good laugh.
Most of the pictures of the late 90's to mid 2000's I saw on this thread made me smile and chuckle. I was working as a vacuum cleaner repairman in the mid 2000's. God, how I hated those bagless machines!!! Especially the yellow and gray dual chamber Eureka Whirlwind- That was my enemy #1.
I remember that people would see them on TV - and buy them. Then they would never maintain them and by the time they were on my repair bench, they were pretty much FUBAR'ed beyond any hope. Another laugh I got at that time was their owners were incredibly cheap- they's balk at a $10.00 belt job.
My favorite was that most of the Jon Q's that bought them thought that "Bagless" meant "maintenance-less". I can remember calling a customer with a quote and he was shocked that it needed new belt and filters "But it's Bagless!! It shouldn't need any of that" he said over the phone as he then blew a gasket and threw a hissy fit over the final cost of the repair.
At the time we used Compressed air to blow out the housings of the machines. Most of them were in pet households. My biggest pet peeve ( no pun intended) was when I would blow them out and the stench of "PET" would blow all over me.
That would really make my day.
But I digress, seeing the photos of some of those machines brought back memories and gave me a good laugh.
It's funny how bagless vacuums have been around for decades.
For example my aunt got Hitachi C-V160GN vacuum cleaner for wedding present around the mid 70's.
It had very large filter and filter had cleaning mechanism where you rotated the handle to clean it. It worked just okay. Most effective way to clean the filter was banging it against outside wall or something.
She still had it in the early 90's. Very good quality vacuum. She really liked it alot.
I don't remember any loss of suction problems or dust building up around other parts of the machine.
So there is alot of "cyclonic" vacuum cleaners out there that performs much worse.
For example my aunt got Hitachi C-V160GN vacuum cleaner for wedding present around the mid 70's.
It had very large filter and filter had cleaning mechanism where you rotated the handle to clean it. It worked just okay. Most effective way to clean the filter was banging it against outside wall or something.
She still had it in the early 90's. Very good quality vacuum. She really liked it alot.
I don't remember any loss of suction problems or dust building up around other parts of the machine.
So there is alot of "cyclonic" vacuum cleaners out there that performs much worse.
buster1849
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Best
yson DC07
Worst: Bissell Cleanview
yson DC07Worst: Bissell Cleanview
crazykirbydude
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Best: Bissell PowerForce Bagless
Decent: Dirt Devil Vision
Bad: Hoover Twin Chamber
Horrid: Eureka Maxima and Altima
Decent: Dirt Devil Vision
Bad: Hoover Twin Chamber
Horrid: Eureka Maxima and Altima
crazykirbydude
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OH MY GOD!!!
Eureka Capture!!! The filter was terrible and it had way too many. The brushroll was absolute garbage and they were notorious for having motor problems.
Eureka Capture!!! The filter was terrible and it had way too many. The brushroll was absolute garbage and they were notorious for having motor problems.
buster1849
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Proof that the original cleanview was the absolute worst and dirtiest. Note: I got this vacuum as a refurb earlier this year and have not even used it that much yet there is already a bearing going bad in the motor and it is filthy. Here are some pictures.
carolinaguy1996
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Bagged machines are better.
Hoover Twin Chamber Bagless "Elite"
For a little while I had one of those odd, green 12-amp Hoover Twin Chamber Bagless vacuums with an "Elite" type motor. So although it was was bagless, it actually used a fan-first "dirty air" type motor. The dirt was blown into the twin chamber bagless dust cup.
Not only was the system susceptible to losing suction due to the screen blocking up and the pleated filter clogging, but it leaked dust horribly because the dust cup had a positive gauge pressure instead of negative due to the fan-first system. If you lifted the cleaner by its designated upper carry handle above the dust cup, then the body of the cleaner would flex and relieve pressure from the lid of the dust cup. Then dust would come blowing out like crazy! The design was pretty miserable. Thank goodness for modern cyclonic systems.
broomvac
For a little while I had one of those odd, green 12-amp Hoover Twin Chamber Bagless vacuums with an "Elite" type motor. So although it was was bagless, it actually used a fan-first "dirty air" type motor. The dirt was blown into the twin chamber bagless dust cup.
Not only was the system susceptible to losing suction due to the screen blocking up and the pleated filter clogging, but it leaked dust horribly because the dust cup had a positive gauge pressure instead of negative due to the fan-first system. If you lifted the cleaner by its designated upper carry handle above the dust cup, then the body of the cleaner would flex and relieve pressure from the lid of the dust cup. Then dust would come blowing out like crazy! The design was pretty miserable. Thank goodness for modern cyclonic systems.
broomvac
carolinaguy1996
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I might've had one of those too. My first bagless because Dysons were not in America at the time.
fan-of-fans
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Oh the paper filter ones I think were the worst!
My mom had a Kenmore Quick Clean bagless upright. That one at least had the plated filter in a separate part of the bin, with a perforated ring between it, and the cyclone, which caught most of the hair and large debris. But that filter had to be cleaned after every use. We would use a bagged canister with crevice tool to suck out the pleats of fine dust after every use.
What's worse is the higher end Kenmore Progressive bagless models (such as my friend's Direct Drive) had the same filter but had it directly IN the bin with no separation at all. What were they thinking? The Bissells with the foam filter were just about as bad. We had those at our church and they were constantly getting clogged. Finally they started buying the bagged versions which were much easier to maintain.
Today's bagless system are worlds ahead, IMO. I like the washable disc HEPA filters the newer machines are using, such as my mom's Hoover Windtunnel Rewind.
But really, give me bagged any day. I would like to try a Dyson and see how they do, I have never used one.
My mom had a Kenmore Quick Clean bagless upright. That one at least had the plated filter in a separate part of the bin, with a perforated ring between it, and the cyclone, which caught most of the hair and large debris. But that filter had to be cleaned after every use. We would use a bagged canister with crevice tool to suck out the pleats of fine dust after every use.
What's worse is the higher end Kenmore Progressive bagless models (such as my friend's Direct Drive) had the same filter but had it directly IN the bin with no separation at all. What were they thinking? The Bissells with the foam filter were just about as bad. We had those at our church and they were constantly getting clogged. Finally they started buying the bagged versions which were much easier to maintain.
Today's bagless system are worlds ahead, IMO. I like the washable disc HEPA filters the newer machines are using, such as my mom's Hoover Windtunnel Rewind.
But really, give me bagged any day. I would like to try a Dyson and see how they do, I have never used one.
