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Idk if wax sealant would work. Im not really sure why you would want wax sealant. Car gets different conditions. To each his own if i were to use a wax meguiairs or they have rain x you waterproof windows. Im sure bases are similar they sale stuff to waterproof shoes leather etc. I dont seen a sealer stopping skid marks if you scuff wall but i attached pic. If you think about it very similar bases.

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Wax

Still not understanding the wax thing. Ive heard of using isopropyl alcohol clean up residue. It makes as much sense as painting clear coat on it.
Les
 
The wax is to protect the metal after polishing it so it does not oxidize and re-tarnish again as fast and to resist fingerprints and dust buildup on the finish. I just need to know if the kind I got is good enough.
 
Hey

Turtle wax is fine for what you are using for. Make sure to apply with microfiber towel or wshing/waxing mit to not leavr fingerprints.
 
I don't know why you don't get the wax part. If you use the Mag cleaner or any other special purpose product like that, the finsih will look great for awhile and then start to degrade. In time without protection, the finish well start to dull and even show any imperfections you have. I can show you a G I never waxed/protected that was mirror shined about five yrs ago and today, looks like I never polished it.....never seen water or been outside. 


 


Car wax is the logical choice because it's designed for an outdoor environ. You may think of it as overkill or don't want to spend a few extra dollars to buy it, I dunno but it's a perfect choice to preserve the finish.


 


Kevin
 
Kevin

Have you restored a vacuum. Look at my pic on my profile. Its not losing its sheen at all. You can watch all the you tube videos and restoration of kirby vacuums. I have seen multiple. If you have a show vacuum wax does nothing for it. Seriously look at my 510 i can postva pic right now. There is no wax on it. So why dont i get wax? Its a added residue you have to clean off to get shine of aluminum on vacuum. Unless your driving your vacuum to work and its getting rained on it going to be added residue over natural aluminum.
So maybe i should drive my vacuums maybe i could keep it nice and shiny until wax wears off becomes gooey residue biild up. Well its your vacuum not mine. What do I know.
 
Now, now. Some people have different opinions. And experiences. And that's ok.

Wax is usually the final step in perfecting a polish of any kind. Like a car's paint job. Wax is not really a 'coating' per se (wax on, wax off, remember?), it's more like a filler. The idea is that the wax fills up microscopic pores in the finish and makes it appear smoother and shinier than it is on its own, while blocking those pores also prevents moisture (even atmospheric) and dirt from getting stuck in there and either oxidizing the aluminum or just making it look dirty.

Also aluminum can oxidize from humidity, and hey, different geographical locations have different levels of humidity, and therefore different rates of oxidization.
 
<a name="start_36402.391307"></a>I got worked up. My bad.




Yeah you did. I have restored dozens of vacs, none of them Kirby. And I'm telling you that the 'Electrolux' metal finish at least, will not last over the yrs without some sort of coating to preserve it. And I use Mother Mag polish exclusively. I've also used it on steel knife blades that will rust because of the steel used. Same thing...left in a drawer or unmolested, the steel starts to darken and lose its sheen...after using Mother's. So I oil the blades to prevent that. That's not practical on a vac finish.


 


Just don't even reply to me if you have nothing constructive to say.


 


Kevin
 
Kevin

Constructive. You dont bash me by saying I don't understand wax idea. Thats not constructive. I have not used wax so i can't knock it.
This is my personal opinion. I have fixed lots of vacuums and never used wax. I see it as a extra build up to clean up in future. I can polish. I can polish better than most getting metal to look better than most. So i dont need something to cover up imperfections. That is my opinion and why i dont use wax. How is that for constructive. Thanks for your opinion.
No hard feelings sorry if I offended you or anyone.
Les
 
Wow what in the world happened here?

Well, I guess I'll have to do this one on my own and see how it goes. I did get that bench grinder BTW, so next step is clearing myself a work area over the spring and getting some junk donated out of my garage so I can have a place to set it up and then watch some more tutorials on youtube on how to use it so I don't lose a finger!

I'm sure in Utah or anywhere out there it's not an issue because the air is dry and bland. Where Real1Shep lives up in Washington specifically, humidity is an offical season, and the upper northwest is known for its moss that will consume anything that doesn't move, so I am sure it's a big problem for him to keep chrome in good nick.

Here in the midwest just under the lake, things get humid a lot both in spring and summer with thunderstorms and spring rains. Not necessarily in my house all the time, but let's just say that if I don't keep my bread protected in the oven, it will mold in less than a week.

My Kirby Ultimate G bought new in 2002 has tarnished since then, it's never had a polish though but the shiny finish didn't last long on it. In retrospect it would have helped to protect it. I'll likely have a shop do that one since I'd be gutted if I screw it up since my mother paid the full MSRP for it of $2k.
 
Hey

Huskyvac
Suprisingly the g series are eadier to polish than older. Using a bench grinder would
Make quick work. The g series have alot of flat surfaces.
I talked to a007kirbyman today and he knows vacuums but he said fitz polish is superior to any other.
When polishing ultimate you really only take off minimal pieced example power nozzle handle cord and emptor. The g series seems like different aluminum that older so shine isnt same as legend 2 and older.
I polish up 2 sentrias in about 3 hours total. It took me 30 hours to polish 510 since it was sitting outside to elements for 30 to 40 years.
If u use wax let us know how it turns out. Im curious but cautious at same time.
Les
 
<a name="start_36402.391350"></a>Constructive. You dont bash me by saying I don't understand wax idea. Thats not constructive. I have not used wax so i can't knock it.


 


You've just deconstructed your own argument. I could tell by the way you scoffed at waxing metal vac finishes, you'd never done it. That's not constructive and denies the fact that I've seen metal on vacs tarnish over the yrs after polishing.  If your metal never tarnishes for yrs after using Mother's then good for you. The original point was that car wax extends how long the interval is between repolishing.



 


Kevin
 
Kevin

When wax wears off you have an extra substance to take off. That is my point. Just because ive never tried it doesn't mean i didn't acknowledge it. I choose not to wax. Im sure it extends polish job but it is extra work before and after. I spend more time honing skill on polish and buffing.
You saying i am not constructive because i never used wax is not me saying your not constructive for not trying to get better at buffing and polishing. You also ignore the fact i dont use wax for 2 reasons and you only mention one.
You fault me yet you live in glass house.
My reasons are my reasons just because I don't wax against my argument.
I dont polish for my own reasons and you polish for your own reasons. I apologized and tried to end this i also offered huskyvacs advice.
The point is moot. I don't want to argue. You have not apologized you just keep going.
I concede you win. Thanks again for your opinion.
Les
 
Nobody wins Les.....when you scoff at someone else's methods and have never tired it, it brings the whole forum down a level. And now we're going to see each other all around the forum. The natural temptation will be lash out at each other again.  I promise to fight that, but if I see obvious BS that is contrary to my experinece, I will say something. But I'm not going to bring any of this up....it's done as far as I'm concerned.


 


I appreciate the reasons you don't use wax. Auto wax can be removed with a swipe of denatured alcohol....possibly even isopropyl alcohol....never tried IA for removing  wax.


 


In the end, I think Huskyvacs should make his own educated decision based on what he reads here. I'm fine either way on what he chooses to do, are you?


 


Kevin


 
 
Kevin

Yes
We live in America huskyvacs can do as he pleases. I scoffed yes i apologized. I even gave suggestions on products.
Im here to educate be educated and civilized. I realized i shouldn't bash it unless I try it.
Husky vacs is very smart and so are you. I only ask if i aoologize lets drop it then.
Thanks for lesson and as will ferell would say
Keep on keeping on.
Les
 
Good lord. Talk about derailment. You know Kevin, we're all adults here. We're too old to have the 'but he started it' argument. Les said he was sorry, would it kill you to apologize too? Like you said, this whole spiel brings the forums down a notch.

(Aren't there mods that take care of this?)
 
Les, I do have Flitz polish as I read some old threads here and got some based on how many times it came up. I only have a small bottle right now for testing purposes.

Kevin, yes I am forming my own decisions, but I am still a n00b at this. At 26, I'm starting pretty late but I have had some experience with polishing metal before - just not on this large of a scale, and have not done a full teardown on a vacuum yet as far as a motor is concerned - they always seemed daunting.

I'll get there in time, just making sure I have the tools ready.
 
<a name="start_36402.391423"></a>Les said he was sorry, would it kill you to apologize too?


 


Not at all. I'm sorry, Les.


 


Now MadMan, does that make you feel better or resurrect the thread?


 


Kevin
 
<a name="start_36402.391430"></a>Kevin, yes I am forming my own decisions, but I am still a n00b at this. At 26, I'm starting pretty late but I have had some experience with polishing metal before - just not on this large of a scale, and have not done a full teardown on a vacuum yet as far as a motor is concerned - they always seemed daunting.


 


You have all the time in the world figuratively speaking. I was like 32 when my then mother-in-law gave me my first Electrolux, used....a G. I knew of and watched Stan Kann on TV with a smile or two....but never connected the dots about actually collecting vacs.



 


Now you have a built-in forum, conventions and ebay etc. Unfortunately, the day of free and $5 vacs of any note are behind us. But there's always local finds, relatives, friends etc. Sometimes when people know you collect stuff they call or brink junk by.



 


Kevin
 
Kevin

Hey
Your being smart just saying. Apollogy accepted.
Huskyvac does it say to apply with spongue or microfiber towel.
Les
 
It always makes me feel better when two grown adults can agree to disagree. But I think the real issue is that Les should feel better. (God that makes me sound like a hugbox hippie or something.)

I can't help it if I behave like a moderator. I've been one for long enough, and nobody else around here stepped up.
 
There was no need for a moderator....nobody was throwing personal insults and fowl language at each other. Just major differences of opinions.


 


What you're really alluding to is censorship and that's a slippery slope.


 


Kevin
 
Hi

I dont think we need moderators. I dont think it is right to attack and go on defensive over opinions.
Kevin im calling it like im seeing it. I made a comment you disagreed. I went in a rant madman asked us to lighten up. I apologized and you still came at me. I apologized again saying everybody has opinions. You proceeded to drive your point home. I apologized again offered advice to Huskyvac. Madman interviened again. You apologized and seemingly threw insults at him for hijacking thread.
So Kevin lighten up and you dont need to be right make statements for hijacking thread.
I have been wrong before and corrected many times. You seem vengeful and hell bent on being right trying to start something with madman and me.
The point is if im wrong call me out. After that let it go. You might have something in life causing you to be on edge which is none of my business. I tdy not to attack anyone and if im called out for being an idiot great.
So lets treat this forum as knowledgeable spreading helping people out.
Let this be last post on this thread. Feel free to start anither thread but respecting Huskyvac and sorry huskyvac for hijacking your thread ill take full responsibility.
Life is short lets focus on productive board members and helo each other. Id say hold hands and sing kumbaya my lord but we can't.
Ps end of Thread
Les
 

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