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@Vacuum Facts There is no strong evidence of Dyson durability issues?!? I beg you to go on Reddit’s sub dyson and explain to all the people there with their issues and how they are not true!

Or better yet ignoring all the feedback from your very own YouTube channel?

(Canned response from @Vacuum Facts incoming that these people have no valid evidence that they have issues lol)
 
only thing that's relevant: convincing, objective, independently verifiable evidence. It's what I present in all my videos

Except @Vacuum Facts when your “claims” are unequivocally shown are not “objective, independently verifiable.

Queue your response of “what claims, name calling, berating, etc.” (again for the countless time, if you want specifics you can simply search the history here or in your YouTube channel…)
 
Except @Vacuum Facts when your “claims” are unequivocally shown are not “objective, independently verifiable.

Queue your response of “what claims, name calling, berating, etc.” (again for the countless time, if you want specifics you can simply search the history here or in your YouTube channel…)
blah blah. hot air. Come back when you've got something tangible.
 
blah blah. hot air. Come back when you've got something tangible.
How about a couple of 80 year old Compact Model 1s that still work as well as the day they were manufactured? I have two. They lack a power nozzle connection ( such things didn't exist circa 1944 or 45 when they were manufactured ) but their performance otherwise is comparable to a modern Tristar or Patriot. The inner cloth bag and disposable bag from a modern Patriot or Tristar drop with in to the original Compact. Or how about my dear deceased parents 56 year old Kenmore that I still have and still works as good as new? Actually better because it was able to be fitted with a modern pleated HEPA pre motor filter and synthetic HEPA dust bag. That is tangible durability. I'll bet the 43 year old Kenmore we use routinely to clean our home, and one of the best vacuums we have, is older than you are but there is literally nothing wrong with it. The thing just runs and runs. The suction motor is easy to rebuild when the bearings and brushes eventually wear out, an unavoidable consequence of use, and Ametek still makes new motors that fit these old machines. The motor in it now is a modern replacement. No need to ever throw it out. Given reasonable care it will last another 43 years.
 
Laughable, eh? This is a tired piece of embarrasingly pathetic illogicality, and it's hypocritical. Figures. I've used cumbersome, heavy, awkward, plug-in mains cleaners and would never go back (including Dyson machines). I've used bagged cleaners and I'd never go back. I've used cleaners with running costs and I'd never go back. I've used cleaners which tangle hair around a single straight floor roller and I'd never go back (including the Gen5). I've used cleaners which don't auto adjust to all floor types without head changes and I'd never go back. And so on and so on. Regardless of what the product is, the problems stem from the fundamental technologies being used. I'm aware of this because, unlike you, hypocritically, I've used the latest technologies and experienced them. I've also understood their evolution at a deeper technical level.

Arguing the Dyson stick vacs aren't durable without strong evidence of a wide range of widespread failures (distinct from single isolated issues) is nonsense because all mechanical devices can have occasional issues. Real weaknesses are things like needing replacement belts, filters, or other ancilliaries. Seeing claims of lack of durability without evidence is a mindless smear by the weakly positioned. Terms like "creaky squeaky hard plastic" are hallmarks of nonissues that show incredible ignorance, as cemented by mindless and childishly moronic terms like "Diesoon". You've come across very unrespectably because of all this. Don't bring up this silly, nonsensical non-argument again; it just makes you look incredibly foolish. If you think you're right about anything you have to say, come back with the only thing that's relevant: convincing, objective, independently verifiable evidence. It's what I present in all my videos and what gives me confidence, and others can manage it. You wouldn't know because you've never apparently bothered to properly and carefully watch any of them, it seems. You've never, ever provided a dot of evidence for any of your positions, except the history of cyclonic cleaners that no one sensible even argued about. This lack of strong supporting evidence is why you carry absolutely no respect whatsoever with me in your outbursts. You've demonstrated repeatedly to be a hollow talker, like many that loiter here. It was obvious from the beginning because even when I provided the quantified scientific explanation and maths behind an airflow correction factor for vane anemometers in pipes, explaining why it has that value that you otherwise just simply looked up and auto-accepted, you just brushed it off as gobbledygook showing you just can't be helped to understand low level, relevant details, and to have better grounding for your output—which is why it's so wonky and is clearly subjectivity masquerading as objectivity. This conflicts so strongly with your repeated statements about your past history in defence and engineering. No one in my team would survive 5 minutes if they didn't independently learn to establish what's true from first principles and be superior.

I have a track record of looking at old machines people have claimed are good without good reason. They weren't, and the pathetic crybabies kicked and screamed and cried rivers when the evidence showed as much. I have a track record of investigating modern machines that manufacturers claim or imply are market-leading. They weren't and I exposed their deception quantitatively. Tribal idiots kicked and screamed and cried rivers over that too as they defecated all over my YT channel in bizarre rage. I know what's true because the evidence shows it. If anyone thinks I'm a Dyson fanboy, they're going to be spectacularly embarrassed and exposed as the pathetic, ignorant, tribal fools the best of us already know they were come my V16 review—the first real reason to heavily criticise (and praise) a Dyson product, as the evidence will show. And it'll be the same evidence, I might add, that is used to praise and criticise all other products. I'm consistent; the whiny, tribal crybabies are not. And calling a spade a spade on my channel doesn't make me "rude" or "hostile" or "insulting". These are terms used by genuine pillocks to try and cosmetically smear when they've got absolutely no substantive argument of their own, so look out for the culprits and judge accordingly, as many do I now know. Fortunately, most people are positive and respectful, even if they disagree, and they're treated as such, but there are always a few rotten eggs with bad attitudes that need putting in their place—the bin. Until I arrived, they congregated here. Now they've scuttled off back under the bridge where they came from with all the other trolls.
Don't pop an aneurysm dude! But again, you have no actual hands on experience with high quality vacuums from companies like Sebo, Lindhaus, older Mieles, Electrolux AB, Lux International, Vortech XR3000 ( another great piece of European industrial design ), to actually know what the difference is between a high quality vacuum and a Dyson. A Lux D820 is quiet and soothing sounding, the exact opposite of the nails on the chalkboard wail of a Dyson or Shark. Same for the other brands mentioned. Quiet, refined, everything feels high quality to the touch. Metal wands instead of plastic. Durable. Lux even uses a woven cloth covered hose. If you have never used one you owe it to yourself to try one. Just try it and at least know. A D820 or earlier Lux is something you use for a lifetime and then pass it to your heirs.
 
Don't pop an aneurysm dude! But again, you have no actual hands on experience with high quality vacuums from companies like Sebo, Lindhaus, older Mieles, Electrolux AB, Lux International, Vortech XR3000 ( another great piece of European industrial design ), to actually know what the difference is between a high quality vacuum and a Dyson. A Lux D820 is quiet and soothing sounding, the exact opposite of the nails on the chalkboard wail of a Dyson or Shark. Same for the other brands mentioned. Quiet, refined, everything feels high quality to the touch. Metal wands instead of plastic. Durable. Lux even uses a woven cloth covered hose. If you have never used one you owe it to yourself to try one. Just try it and at least know. A D820 or earlier Lux is something you use for a lifetime and then pass it to your heirs.
Vacuum Misinformation does not appreciate the vacuum cleaner as an appliance. He just simply doesn't. Any vacuum cleaner that's not his beloved cordless Dyson he heavily disparages, dismisses their worth, diminishes any historical value they might have, and insults those of us who find those vacuums to have value worth defending. I do not care for Dyson cordless units but I can understand why somebody might find value in them. For some they have advantages and I won't dispute that. I'm not super into machines like Compact/Tristar but I would be a fool to dismiss their historical significance to the vacuum cleaner as a whole. Vacuum "Facts" does not give that same credence to those of us who have our own machines we like and prefer. He can't seem to wrap his head around the idea that you don't have to think a particular vacuum is the absolute greatest one ever built to appreciate it. Even if his claims of cordless Dysons being the best vacuum ever are true (thoroughly debunked at this point) that doesn't mean every other vacuum is worthless and can't be enjoyed for various reasons. I don't know why he's put himself in a vacuum collector space if he cannot understand that. I have several Vacuums in my collection that I don't think are the absolute greatest ever built but I still enjoy having them for their own Quirks and Features. I vacuumed my carpeted upstairs today with my black Kenmore Progressive Direct Drive. It's not built as well as a Sebo but it has its own unique quirks that make it fun to use. This concept just seems totally alien to Vacuum Misinfo
 
Vacuum Misinformation does not appreciate the vacuum cleaner as an appliance. He just simply doesn't. Any vacuum cleaner that's not his beloved cordless Dyson he heavily disparages, dismisses their worth, diminishes any historical value they might have, and insults those of us who find those vacuums to have value worth defending. I do not care for Dyson cordless units but I can understand why somebody might find value in them. For some they have advantages and I won't dispute that. I'm not super into machines like Compact/Tristar but I would be a fool to dismiss their historical significance to the vacuum cleaner as a whole. Vacuum "Facts" does not give that same credence to those of us who have our own machines we like and prefer. He can't seem to wrap his head around the idea that you don't have to think a particular vacuum is the absolute greatest one ever built to appreciate it. Even if his claims of cordless Dysons being the best vacuum ever are true (thoroughly debunked at this point) that doesn't mean every other vacuum is worthless and can't be enjoyed for various reasons. I don't know why he's put himself in a vacuum collector space if he cannot understand that. I have several Vacuums in my collection that I don't think are the absolute greatest ever built but I still enjoy having them for their own Quirks and Features. I vacuumed my carpeted upstairs today with my black Kenmore Progressive Direct Drive. It's not built as well as a Sebo but it has its own unique quirks that make it fun to use. This concept just seems totally alien to Vacuum Misinfo
Waa waa. Fact denier. Conflates subjectivity with objectivity. Heard it all before. Waste of time.
 
Waa waa. Fact denier. Conflates subjectivity with objectivity. Heard it all before. Waste of time.
Me when I don't have any proper counterarguments to the points presented to me.
In a sense you are guilty of what you accuse others of. Try an old Lux or modern Sebo. Test it like you test other vacuums. See for yourself instead of dismissing them out of hand.
There's no point. He'll use them, overlook or diminish important features/factors on the units, make a bunch of BS graphs full of a enough meaningless information to look legitimate, and use that "information" to conclude that they're bad therefore the Dyson cordless is better. That's his entire song & dance, it's so obvious and not clever.
 
Me when I don't have any proper counterarguments to the points presented to me.

There's no point. He'll use them, overlook or diminish important features/factors on the units, make a bunch of BS graphs full of a enough meaningless information to look legitimate, and conclude that they're bad and the Dyson cordless is better. That's his entire song & dance, it's so obvious and not clever.
Bingo. Bunch of data/charts, etc that may or may not have meaning and/or validity, nor connection to why that information makes Dyson superior. It is like he's using those facts and figures trying to establish that he's some sort of expert on the matter so we should all just take his findings and conclusions at face value, all the while ignoring the mountains of empirical evidence that is counter to his claims and conclusions.
 
A British home environment is very different to an American home. A Kirby or large canister may be too large. I can clearly see here that VacuumFacts is literally doing what he is saying others do. I suggest vacuumfacts gets a few machines. Something like a Hoover Junior for carpets, a Hoover Hooverette for quick cleanups, an Electrolux z345 for hardfloors and dusting and finally a Dirt Devil Handy for the stairs. Don't bother testing all of them, only the hoover junior. Maybe a Hoover Senior for the carpets instead.
 
A British home environment is very different to an American home. A Kirby or large canister may be too large. I can clearly see here that VacuumFacts is literally doing what he is saying others do. I suggest vacuumfacts gets a few machines. Something like a Hoover Junior for carpets, a Hoover Hooverette for quick cleanups, an Electrolux z345 for hardfloors and dusting and finally a Dirt Devil Handy for the stairs. Don't bother testing all of them, only the hoover junior. Maybe a Hoover Senior for the carpets instead.
But @Vacuum Facts did the Dyson for good reasons. Maybe we should be having better and more civil discussions instead of making fun of each other.
 
In a sense you are guilty of what you accuse others of. Try an old Lux or modern Sebo. Test it like you test other vacuums. See for yourself instead of dismissing them out of hand.
Not at all. I present evidence to back up the factual claims I make (see videos no one watches before commenting). Others don't. Simple as that. I'm not quite sure what I've "dismissed" specifically, but I've only ever made factual claims based on evidence I have. I have later expressed opinions about which machines I'd like to use, based on technological advances which are shown to be better, but that's chalk and cheese. Unfortunately, some out there can't distinguish between the two.
There's no point. He'll use them, overlook or diminish important features/factors on the units, make a bunch of BS graphs full of a enough meaningless information to look legitimate, and use that "information" to conclude that they're bad therefore the Dyson cordless is better. That's his entire song & dance, it's so obvious and not clever.
This is what I'm up against and why you just can't be reasoned with. I present evidence, you auto-dismiss it without justification, then claim I have no argument. So, it doesn't matter what I do or say. Anyone worth my time can see the problem with this illogicality. There gets a point where I just ignore sources that are immutably immune to reason and common sense—they're a lost cause and I've no confidence can ever be helped since they're clearly missing the necessary faculties. Case in point here:-

Bingo. Bunch of data/charts, etc that may or may not have meaning and/or validity, nor connection to why that information makes Dyson superior. It is like he's using those facts and figures trying to establish that he's some sort of expert on the matter so we should all just take his findings and conclusions at face value, all the while ignoring the mountains of empirical evidence that is counter to his claims and conclusions.
It's all explained, fact checkable, based on textbook science and well established knowledge. Some people, I accept, it seems could just never understand. Sadly, they are beyond my help, especially when it's claimed there's "empirical evidence that is counter to his claims and conclusions" yet none is ever presented, only vaguely suggested exists somewhere and never assessed formally in any detail by the claimant.

A British home environment is very different to an American home. A Kirby or large canister may be too large. I can clearly see here that VacuumFacts is literally doing what he is saying others do. I suggest vacuumfacts gets a few machines. Something like a Hoover Junior for carpets, a Hoover Hooverette for quick cleanups, an Electrolux z345 for hardfloors and dusting and finally a Dirt Devil Handy for the stairs. Don't bother testing all of them, only the hoover junior. Maybe a Hoover Senior for the carpets instead.
A vacuum cleaner is supposed to vacuum clean. All my reviews review based on cleaning and filtration performance (quantified reproducibily and representatively) and what it took to achieve it (efficiency), ease of use including supplementary related features, and environmental impact—the three important aspects. You might suggest I look at an arbitrary selection of machines without good reason from a technological advancement perspective, and another person will suggest a different arbitrary list (as they have), but there are plenty of machines from a wide range of manufacturers already reviewed for justified reasons on my channel. I'm confident you haven't looked at my work closely. I'm not reviewing every machine under the sun, as many of the conclusions based on the shared technology can be extrapolated to other machines sharing it. This is the point totally overlooked and constitutes the credentials above that identify lost causes.
 
It's all explained, fact checkable, based on textbook science and well established knowledge. Some people, I accept, it seems could just never understand. Sadly, they are beyond my help, especially when it's claimed there's "empirical evidence that is counter to his claims and conclusions" yet none is ever presented, only vaguely suggested exists somewhere and never assessed formally in any detail by the claimant.
No its not... Everytime you are approached with something that does not fit your claims, ie all this empirical evidence you continue to chose to ignore, do you think the hundreds if not thousands of people reporting various issues on Dyson machines are just making them up to irritate you or because its some sort of organized vendetta against Dyson?

Its not just claims... There are also tons of video evidence on youtube and other places that is contrary to your claims, but you discount and ignore (often berating and insultingly).

Much of your theories and theoretical information provided is correct, but then place blind faith (or expect your audience to have the blind faith) that what you claim is true when it comes to conclusions on why Dyson products are superior to all others (paraphrasing here)
-An example: Cleaning head/brushroll design is critical to cleaning performance, I think we all can agree upon that. Ok, that is established: Where is the the physical evidence that the Dyson head is the superior design? (there is a leap of faith required here)
 
Everytime you are approached with something that does not fit your claims, ie all this empirical evidence you continue to chose to ignore
...like? Not even sure what we're talking about specifically again.

do you think the hundreds if not thousands of people reporting various issues on Dyson machines are just making them up to irritate you or because its some sort of organized vendetta against Dyson?
No, I see a bunch of unverifiable 'reviews' from people with bad attitudes that I've no idea what they did to do whatever it is they're claiming. And it conflicts with my experience which I know is used sensibly. Show me just one of those "thousands of people" hasn't abused or neglected their machine convincingly, or that more than one alleged issue is genuine, widespread, and reproducible from first principles. The only one I was ever convinced by was a Gen5 ball wheel coming off, and no one seemed to understand why it happened, even though the cause was obvious and fixed with a later revision. You seem to be easily swayed and misled, and don't seem to understand what constitutes convincing evidence. Testimony is NOT evidence.

Its not just claims... There are also tons of video evidence on youtube and other places that is contrary to your claims, but you discount and ignore (often berating and insultingly).
If you're talking about silly, primitive bedroom testing that suffers from all the issues I mentioned in another thread, then it's because much of it IS nonsense fraught with errors that better account for what they've seen. I only ridicule when they get aggressive and defend the absurd.

Much of your theories and theoretical information provided is correct, but then place blind faith (or expect your audience to have the blind faith) that what you claim is true when it comes to conclusions on why Dyson products are superior to all others (paraphrasing here)
Never understood how people get this wrong. I actually show the data trends that led to my conclusions. The data shows what's true.

-An example: Cleaning head/brushroll design is critical to cleaning performance, I think we all can agree upon that. Ok, that is established: Where is the the physical evidence that the Dyson head is the superior design? (there is a leap of faith required here)
I've said that consistently throughout all my (associated) videos on my channel—the one you suggest has all the non-issues above. The evidence is in the performance achieved with incredibly low power consumption. Discussed in all the reviews I've done and science is on my channel. The only reason why people keep saying what you've said above is probably because they haven't even watched it (or understood it, in which case, nothing more I can do to compensate for the prerequisite knowledge and education required).
 
VacuumFacts, I would love to see a new series of videos where you repair vacuums. Kirby's may not be the easiest machine to repair, so maybe try that later on.
I've absolutely no interest in that. I'm sure people would love to see my pilot a hot air balloon too or something, but that's also not going to happen either. Good modern vacuums don't need repairing in general (unless they've been abused and neglected by foolish owners). I've only ever had to fix one wheel on the gen5 in all the years, and that was a widespread problem with a known, temporary cause (and a quick fix).
 
...like? Not even sure what we're talking about specifically again.


No, I see a bunch of unverifiable 'reviews' from people with bad attitudes that I've no idea what they did to do whatever it is they're claiming. And it conflicts with my experience which I know is used sensibly. Show me just one of those "thousands of people" hasn't abused or neglected their machine convincingly, or that more than one alleged issue is genuine, widespread, and reproducible from first principles. The only one I was ever convinced by was a Gen5 ball wheel coming off, and no one seemed to understand why it happened, even though the cause was obvious and fixed with a later revision. You seem to be easily swayed and misled, and don't seem to understand what constitutes convincing evidence. Testimony is NOT evidence.


If you're talking about silly, primitive bedroom testing that suffers from all the issues I mentioned in another thread, then it's because much of it IS nonsense fraught with errors that better account for what they've seen. I only ridicule when they get aggressive and defend the absurd.


Never understood how people get this wrong. I actually show the data trends that led to my conclusions. The data shows what's true.


I've said that consistently throughout all my (associated) videos on my channel—the one you suggest has all the non-issues above. The evidence is in the performance achieved with incredibly low power consumption. Discussed in all the reviews I've done and science is on my channel. The only reason why people keep saying what you've said above is probably because they haven't even watched it (or understood it, in which case, nothing more I can do to compensate for the prerequisite knowledge and education required).
around and around we go...

You know exactly what 'we are talking about.' its in the Dyson sub reddit, your commenters on youtube videos, other user's videos, etc. You are just choosing to discount all of that because it does not fit your narrative.

High performance at low power usage? What does a V15 consume at max/boost? Because at medium/auto, its not anywhere near 'high performance.'
 
I've absolutely no interest in that. I'm sure people would love to see my pilot a hot air balloon too or something, but that's also not going to happen either. Good modern vacuums don't need repairing in general (unless they've been abused and neglected by foolish owners). I've only ever had to fix one wheel on the gen5 in all the years, and that was a widespread problem with a known, temporary cause (and a quick fix).
You've fixed the V16 too, but you didn't give us the method. You have all the evidence, but you only releases it when you ever decide to altogether instead of just sharing it right away. That attitude is the main drawback of you (and your objective and evidence- and data-based approach), no offense though.
 
Not at all. I present evidence to back up the factual claims I make (see videos no one watches before commenting). Others don't. Simple as that. I'm not quite sure what I've "dismissed" specifically, but I've only ever made factual claims based on evidence I have. I have later expressed opinions about which machines I'd like to use, based on technological advances which are shown to be better, but that's chalk and cheese. Unfortunately, some out there can't distinguish between the two.

This is what I'm up against and why you just can't be reasoned with. I present evidence, you auto-dismiss it without justification, then claim I have no argument. So, it doesn't matter what I do or say. Anyone worth my time can see the problem with this illogicality. There gets a point where I just ignore sources that are immutably immune to reason and common sense—they're a lost cause and I've no confidence can ever be helped since they're clearly missing the necessary faculties. Case in point here:-


It's all explained, fact checkable, based on textbook science and well established knowledge. Some people, I accept, it seems could just never understand. Sadly, they are beyond my help, especially when it's claimed there's "empirical evidence that is counter to his claims and conclusions" yet none is ever presented, only vaguely suggested exists somewhere and never assessed formally in any detail by the claimant.


A vacuum cleaner is supposed to vacuum clean. All my reviews review based on cleaning and filtration performance (quantified reproducibily and representatively) and what it took to achieve it (efficiency), ease of use including supplementary related features, and environmental impact—the three important aspects. You might suggest I look at an arbitrary selection of machines without good reason from a technological advancement perspective, and another person will suggest a different arbitrary list (as they have), but there are plenty of machines from a wide range of manufacturers already reviewed for justified reasons on my channel. I'm confident you haven't looked at my work closely. I'm not reviewing every machine under the sun, as many of the conclusions based on the shared technology can be extrapolated to other machines sharing it. This is the point totally overlooked and constitutes the credentials above that identify lost causes.
Test a Sebo D3 or a Lux 1R D820 with the Ze3 power brush. Especially test the Lux. Test a big Sebo 360. Test a Lindhaus Diamante. Test any modern Miele. Tell us what you find. Put up or shut up. You want to brag about Dyson but are afraid to test a true high quality vacuum. Most of us who have been around as long as your parents, maybe even longer have some hands on you do not. Test a high quality vacuum and quit making excuses.
 
Test a Sebo D3 or a Lux 1R D820 with the Ze3 power brush. Especially test the Lux. Test a big Sebo 360. Test a Lindhaus Diamante. Test any modern Miele. Tell us what you find. Put up or shut up. You want to brag about Dyson but are afraid to test a true high quality vacuum. Most of us who have been around as long as your parents, maybe even longer have some hands on you do not. Test a high quality vacuum and quit making excuses.
Nah, @Vacuum Facts doesn't have time nor the willingness to test these products.
 

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