repairman
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The FIRST bagless vacuum was invented by Rexair in 1936. So why is he taking credit for something that was created before he was born? The Model A even used a filter and no water.
Why Does Dyson Credit Himself As First Bagless Inventor?
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dysonman1
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Even before the model A, the Rexair used the power of two cyclones, working at different speeds. The dirt container was in the back, the motor was upside down, and the airflow/dirt hit the side of the rotating separator and was thrown into the top of the dirt bucket. The fine dust went round and round by the separator until it too was thrown into the dirt bucket. They had an after motor filter, it sat on four "legs" and was the machine they SHOULD have made.
compactc9guy
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What about Compact IEC whit there cyclonic action or FilterQueen.
madman
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I imagine he's just full of himself.
That could
easily be. It happens all the time.
easily be. It happens all the time.
dysonman1
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To be fair, he had never seen a Rainbow when he invented the Dyson. The inspiration for the cyclone came from a saw mill, which uses a high efficiency cyclone to separate sawdust from the airflow so they can use the saw dust again. The cyclone is also used in industry for powder coating paint rooms. The overspray goes through the blowers and up to the huge Vulcan's ice cream cone on the roof of the building.
I was just explaining that to my good friend Greg Palmer last night. Those cyclones work correctly because the flow of air into the cyclone is constant. In a vacuum cleaner, the flow of air is always changing (using the crevice tool as opposed to vacuuming bare floors), making the high efficiency cyclone work more or (in many times) less effectively as different attachments are used.
I was just explaining that to my good friend Greg Palmer last night. Those cyclones work correctly because the flow of air into the cyclone is constant. In a vacuum cleaner, the flow of air is always changing (using the crevice tool as opposed to vacuuming bare floors), making the high efficiency cyclone work more or (in many times) less effectively as different attachments are used.
Hey
Iec may have used it before Kirby. Howard Hughes had them cleaning commercial airplanes. I'm not positive I believe it was prior to WW2 they just started a year or two before then went into production for military. It could have been Kirby but cyclone technology has been around for a long time. I'd imagine that cyclone could be traced back millenniums.
It a great technology.
Les
Iec may have used it before Kirby. Howard Hughes had them cleaning commercial airplanes. I'm not positive I believe it was prior to WW2 they just started a year or two before then went into production for military. It could have been Kirby but cyclone technology has been around for a long time. I'd imagine that cyclone could be traced back millenniums.
It a great technology.
Les
I've heard Kirby had the original idea first myself. Jim Kirby had many patents. He would be a good person to research on the web.
Hey
He had over 200 patents. You could print a volume of books with his patents. I'm not sure cyclone technology other than how it's formed is patented able. If it was patent by anyone within a 10 year span almost every vacuum had cyclone technology.
Les
He had over 200 patents. You could print a volume of books with his patents. I'm not sure cyclone technology other than how it's formed is patented able. If it was patent by anyone within a 10 year span almost every vacuum had cyclone technology.
Les
madman
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Les, you might be right. There was an ancient method of filtering water... can't recall when or where. Probably ancient Greece or Rome. It was effectively a slow cyclone but with water spinning around instead of air.
compactc9guy
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There are many Bagless cleaner or one that use cyclonic action , Compact Tristar and Filter Queen and of course Rexair Rainbow and of course Fantom .I Think hes just tooting his own horn to be honest i sold Dyson at walmart most of em felt cheap plastic over price and fell apart after a short time il stick to my heavy Compact thank you .Dyson = Die soon lol
Jim Kirby
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For the American labor leader, see James Kirby. For the baseball player, see Jim Kirby (baseball).
James B. Kirby (September 28, 1884 – June 9, 1971) was an American inventor and self-taught electrical engineer who focused his career on "eliminating the drudgery of housework". He is known mostly for inventing the Kirby vacuum cleaner and the wringerless washing machine.
In 1935, the famous news reporter and radio personality Lowell Thomas wrote a book entitled "The Man Who Revolutionized the American Household" about Jim Kirby and his drive to harness electricity to ease household chores. Much of Lowell’s work was devoted to describing Kirby’s whimsical, innovative home in Richfield, Ohio. Kirby had purchased the land in 1919 at the age of 35 after making his fortune with the invention of the washing machine spin cycle. He devised and patented a system of filtration dams that would keep silt out of the new lake he created. He situated his house on a hillside overlooking the lake and powered it with an experimental hydroelectric mill. In 1923 he constructed a new type of dance hall at the head of the lake that not only had a “sprung floor” but actually had industrial–strength springs supporting the floor joists.
Kirby's father James D. Kirby was a Great Lakes marine engineer. His mother, Sylvia Bigelow Kirby, was descended from early Richfield pioneers. Kirby grew up in Cleveland's southwest side on Marvin Avenue with his younger brother Walter and an orphaned cousin, Bessie. Kirby got an early start on engineering when he attended Electricity And Magic classes at the YMCA. While attending Lincoln High School he worked as a lamplighter, where he walked up and down Scranton road and Denison avenue lighting and snuffing out the street lights for which he earned $16.50 a month. He would often also go to downtown Cleveland and "stuff" newspapers for a dollar a night.
He invented his first vacuum cleaner, called the Domestic Cyclone, in 1906, which was a hand-powered canister cleaner that used a water filtration system. His first portable vacuum cleaner for home use was manufactured and distributed by Franz Premier Electric which was founded to produce Kirby’s vacuum in 1912. Premier was later acquired by General Electric which continued to utilize Kirby’s innovations. In 1915 Kirby invented the washing machine spin cycle. The LaunDRYette Company was founded to manufacture this invention. The LaunDRYette washing machines became very popular and Kirby’s share of the profits allowed him to buy and expand his farm in Richfield.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For the American labor leader, see James Kirby. For the baseball player, see Jim Kirby (baseball).
James B. Kirby (September 28, 1884 – June 9, 1971) was an American inventor and self-taught electrical engineer who focused his career on "eliminating the drudgery of housework". He is known mostly for inventing the Kirby vacuum cleaner and the wringerless washing machine.
In 1935, the famous news reporter and radio personality Lowell Thomas wrote a book entitled "The Man Who Revolutionized the American Household" about Jim Kirby and his drive to harness electricity to ease household chores. Much of Lowell’s work was devoted to describing Kirby’s whimsical, innovative home in Richfield, Ohio. Kirby had purchased the land in 1919 at the age of 35 after making his fortune with the invention of the washing machine spin cycle. He devised and patented a system of filtration dams that would keep silt out of the new lake he created. He situated his house on a hillside overlooking the lake and powered it with an experimental hydroelectric mill. In 1923 he constructed a new type of dance hall at the head of the lake that not only had a “sprung floor” but actually had industrial–strength springs supporting the floor joists.
Kirby's father James D. Kirby was a Great Lakes marine engineer. His mother, Sylvia Bigelow Kirby, was descended from early Richfield pioneers. Kirby grew up in Cleveland's southwest side on Marvin Avenue with his younger brother Walter and an orphaned cousin, Bessie. Kirby got an early start on engineering when he attended Electricity And Magic classes at the YMCA. While attending Lincoln High School he worked as a lamplighter, where he walked up and down Scranton road and Denison avenue lighting and snuffing out the street lights for which he earned $16.50 a month. He would often also go to downtown Cleveland and "stuff" newspapers for a dollar a night.
He invented his first vacuum cleaner, called the Domestic Cyclone, in 1906, which was a hand-powered canister cleaner that used a water filtration system. His first portable vacuum cleaner for home use was manufactured and distributed by Franz Premier Electric which was founded to produce Kirby’s vacuum in 1912. Premier was later acquired by General Electric which continued to utilize Kirby’s innovations. In 1915 Kirby invented the washing machine spin cycle. The LaunDRYette Company was founded to manufacture this invention. The LaunDRYette washing machines became very popular and Kirby’s share of the profits allowed him to buy and expand his farm in Richfield.
Umm
It says nowhere he invented cyclone vacuum technology. I'm versed on a fair number of his patents. A007kirbyman told me a small portion of his patents. He revolutionized alot of industries people aren't aware of. I'd say at least 4 or 5 industries not businesses industries still practice and use his patterns.
If you are trying to impress on how much of a genius Kirby was just stop. If you want to be impressed let bill just post some of his research. He has done alot and I mean maybe more than anyone in the world. He posts on this board.
Spare the rest as Kirby needs no explanation unless you truly want a a few thousand pages from the expert in the area.
Feel free to chime in bill but maybe you shouldn't I understand the magnitude of the research but I'm not sure King Kong his family all on steroids could quantify as a comparable visual simile.
He didn't invent cyclone vaccuum technology. He just revolutionized the world more than any man not named Hawking or Eistein in the last 200 years.
Les
It says nowhere he invented cyclone vacuum technology. I'm versed on a fair number of his patents. A007kirbyman told me a small portion of his patents. He revolutionized alot of industries people aren't aware of. I'd say at least 4 or 5 industries not businesses industries still practice and use his patterns.
If you are trying to impress on how much of a genius Kirby was just stop. If you want to be impressed let bill just post some of his research. He has done alot and I mean maybe more than anyone in the world. He posts on this board.
Spare the rest as Kirby needs no explanation unless you truly want a a few thousand pages from the expert in the area.
Feel free to chime in bill but maybe you shouldn't I understand the magnitude of the research but I'm not sure King Kong his family all on steroids could quantify as a comparable visual simile.
He didn't invent cyclone vaccuum technology. He just revolutionized the world more than any man not named Hawking or Eistein in the last 200 years.
Les
kirbysthebest
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If I may:
I think that Kirby519 was making the distinction that Jim Kirby invented the "bagless" or "water trap" vacuum. That is since the heading on this thread is "Why Does Dyson Credit Himself as the first bagless inventor?"
Then it Rexair/Rainbow was mentioned. The heading nor the drift was not regarding cyclone, hence it was pointed out that Jim Kirby had a "bagless" water trap vacuum prior to Rexair, and Dyson.
but Hey
I think that Kirby519 was making the distinction that Jim Kirby invented the "bagless" or "water trap" vacuum. That is since the heading on this thread is "Why Does Dyson Credit Himself as the first bagless inventor?"
Then it Rexair/Rainbow was mentioned. The heading nor the drift was not regarding cyclone, hence it was pointed out that Jim Kirby had a "bagless" water trap vacuum prior to Rexair, and Dyson.
but Hey
kirbysthebest
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Oh someone will educate you someday
Until then, you go on being an arrogant little bowel movement.
Sorry, most bowel movements are more satisfying, and pleasant.
Until then, you go on being an arrogant little bowel movement.
Sorry, most bowel movements are more satisfying, and pleasant.
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