WHY DO THEY NEVER LISTEN?!

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alexhoovers94

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My sister is moving out in a few months and of course, the first question I wanted to ask was, "what vacuum are you going to buy?" She said, not sure. I asked, "what flooring are you having?", she said wood floors throughout the entire house, I could of fainted!!!
So I said, to get a Miele or Sebo Cylinder or a Henry...She said I don't want bags (this woman could give me a heart attack) "I want a bagless cleaner" she muttered, so I said it had to be Dyson, then she suggested she wanted a Dyson Hand held. I challenged her on this saying that for that price you could buy two Henry's! And by buying one Henry think of all that left over money you would have to buy bags to last you YEARS.
She insisted she wanted a Dyson handheld, I said well if you find it inadequate DON'T come crying to me!
 
~Alex

They have to learn for themselves. Everytime my Mum had a new bagless 'cheap' cleaner all I heard was 'it loses its suction' 'I dont know why' 'Its a good make' 'its lightweight'

and then she wondered why nothing was performing or lasting very long.

I waited ten years after countless suggestions for her to take in bagged was better and to buy something based upon her needs that would work and work well.

Now shes got a Henry all seems to be well.

Just wait - it might be 10 months it might be 10 years but eventually they realise and your opinion will be heard.

Let her make her own mistakes and just concentrate on having a laugh with her than arguing over her choice in cleaner mate. Thats more important.
 
"WHY DO THEY NEVER LISTEN?!"

Well to use your own words, "the first question I wanted to ask was, "what vacuum are you going to buy?" ". The most crucial word in that sentence is "I".

You were the one who wanted to request information, and it sounds like your sister was rather respectful in her handling of the situation. But she didn't ask for your advice or opinion, you gave it to her regardless. When advice or an opinion is unrequested, the dispenser has to learn to accept what happens next.

Even when asked for advice, it is perfectly acceptable for someone to choose not to take it. That is their prerogative. One should feel flattered that someone considers our opinion to be worthy of consideration, irrespective of whether the advice given was then put into practice or not.

What is not good manners is to ask for an opinion or advice and then insult or discredit the persons response.
 
Lol, what happened to her vax swift?
Btw The new Dysons are going downhill, and she should get an older henry, one bag would last like a whole year, if not more if she has hard floors. Because a Henry with use on carpets has the bags last like 6 months, and she can overfill the bag!
Or why cant she get a vax mach air? (those are quite good value) or the air 3
 
Actually, the dc59 cordless from dyson is incredibly powerful, I must admit. The agitation beats that of lot of corded uprights and the suction is enough to pull a medium sized rubber matt from the floor. I know, ive seen and tried one out, seriously considering getting one, but they are fantastically expensive. If I was her, i'd go for a sebo k3.
 
The only new Dysons I like are the DC39 animal, DC54, DC59 (apart from looking kinda ugly), DC65 and the DC44/35 models.
 
hypocrisy

And yours irony. You asked a question on a public forum. I, along with others, gave their opinion. Just as I said, you are under no obligation to take note of it. But as I also wrote, it "is not good manners is to ask for an opinion or advice and then insult or discredit the persons response". I am glad you were able to reinforce my comment.
 
Did you forget to put the question mark, Alex? I would agree what others have said here - allow your sister to find out. In time she will either take your advice or badly pressurize you for advice. (The two are the same, incase you didn't pick it up.)
 
It was a rehtorical question

Ah well you see, without the tone and body language which would have been present during a one-to-one conversation, it is difficult for a reader to know that a question is rhetorical. However, I do admire you greatly for taking the challenge.
 
"The new Dysons are going down-hill"

hasn't it been the same for the past 15 years?
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You have to look at this from a different standpoint.

There could be a couple of different ways to look at this.  One of them could be.


-How old is your sister?  If she is still young and just getting started she maybe thinking about the financial side.  Money could be tight and she is trying to save and make ends meet.


-It's a decision that she wants to make. It's going to be her place and she may have a completely different vision than what you have.


-She may not be into the vacuum interest like you are and to her it's just an appliance that is used for housework.


However if you are concerned you could always buy her a gift of a vacuum.


 


Just my two cents.


Andy
 
All of My Family Thinks Wrong

I had picked a daily driver for my home out of my collection. I picked a Hoover Tempo because I don't care what happens to it, just don't touch a single Kirby because when they are done with it, half the attachments are gone and the bag is wet. But my sister complained about the Tempo being bagged. She likes bagless because she believes you don't have to spend money on it at all, and that it is easy to empty! I grabbed the Tempo and took the bag cover off and took the bag of in five seconds and asked her how hard that looked. Yet she still believes that Bagless is cheaper because you don't buy a bag. I told her about filters and how they say they don't need to be replaced, but a year later after washing and washing the filter doesn't let air go through. And after all that, she argues that I need to use bagless more frequently.
 
No supersweeper, the DC04 was a great improvement on the DC01, the DC07 had much more power, the DC14 had a better design than the DC07, the DC25 had better grooming and Dyson is 21 years old BTW
 
I'm not even going to try and sugar coat this one.....


Maybe the best vacuum for your sister is one that she actually WANTS to buy so that she will want to actually use it?

At the end of the day this machine will have nothing to do with you so why are you so bothered? You sound like a Hitler of the vacuum world.

Quite frankly if I only had hard wood flooring with nothing else to vacuum I'd be more than happy with a Dyson stick vac.

I love my Kirby for my current needs, wouldnt swap it for the world and I think it out perfroms everything else I've ever used. However I wouldn't go ramming my opinion on it down everybody else's throat as what works for me may not work for somebody else.

Oh and another note.... Your sister is less likely to ask you for advice in the future as you've forced it upon her this time and seem to have taken no account of what she actually wants. Should there become a day that she does want advice she'll be thinking "Jeeze, best not ask Alex, don't want to set him off into another little bitch fit"
 
I was trying to explain to her what would be ideal and a dyson "stick vac" would not be ideal for someone who has a child and husband to clean up after and as her ONLY vacuum cleaner, what about when it runs out after 12 minutes? Hmmm? She will have carry on cleaning tommorrow as it ran out of battery. What about the car? Not enough charge nor power for that either.
If she is going pay all that money for that, she should just get a Dustbuster and be done with it!
A nice little Miele Cylinder would of been great for her as she says storage may be an issue. Imagine the price though of a Dyson hand held...she could get a full size vacuum for that.
But no, they no best.
 
Yes but Alex, she IS NOT YOU. She probably doesn't go as much cleaning as you do - and let her buy whatever she wants.

She could have ANY vacuum cleaner she wants, not what you deem is the best. She'd probably do okay with an Argos bagged cylinder vac or even something that she sees at a second hand shop. LET HER LEARN herself. She may be quite happy to let the Dyson to run out of power and let it charge.
 
Correct, Matt

(Not throwing gasoline "petrol" on the fire but..............
People have asked ME my opinion of what to but. Some listened, some didn't. Some were sorry. I had bosses who made up their minds, THEN asked my opinion, knowing full well that they already decided. I always try to remember: WE can not be responsible for anyone Else's: lack of sense, taste, or manners.
I hope she enjoys her choice. I'm as happy as a clam with my 400 HOOVERS.
 
Keep in mind ...

... we never really know anybody's motivations.

It could be she just likes the LOOKS of the Dyson.

Or she really can't afford anything more than a stick vac.

Or there's a powerful childhood memory associated with bagless stick vacs.

I think vintage Kirbys are the perfect melding of beauty and strength in machinery. I even love how they sound. Many people, however, think they're butt-ugly. And it's true, they're not as streamlined or "modern" looking as a Hoover Convertible, which I also really like (mostly because they are, for me, filled with wonderful childhood memories).

A lot of people REALLY like their microwave ovens. I think they're dangerous -- not just because of the EMFs, but because they're scientificaly proven to change the molecular structure of food, which in turn causes problems, over time, with your endocrine system.

But people don't want to hear that. They want to be able to have hot food in 45 seconds, and even when presented with evidence that it literally turns the food into poison, shrug it off, dismissing it with the justification that "well everything will eventually kill us anyway".

Hard to argue with that logic.
 
I have long since learnt that you cannot change people's opinions.  They will do what they see fit and nothing more.


 


What you can do however is advise them of what you think to be the best course of action to take and maybe in the future, when their decision blows up in their face (and being a Dyson it probably will, quite literally) they may decide to give your opinion some serious thought.


 


Don't get too wound up about it. 


 


As somebody on here said to me a couple of years ago, "you can be happy or you can be right - but you can't be both".  Very true.
 
"I have long since learnt that you cannot change people's opinions". I have to say, this comes down to the people involved - both the speaker and the listener.

If a person is of sufficient intellect to hold their own opinion whilst always keeping an open mind to other opinions and perspectives, in that instance there is a very real possibility that an opinion held can be changed.

Equally, the person sharing the opinion has to have the intellect to understand that it isn't just what they say which matters, but how it is delivered, the qualification behind it, and the authority of the person speaking to do so in the capacity which they are.

In other words (and I by no means attribute this to anyone specific in the world, let alone this forum; I speak quite generally here), if the person offering the opinion has no business to do so, and / or has not got the first clue what they are talking about, it is highly unlikely they are going to get anyone to changer their minds about a matter. Add to this poor tone, shouting, anger, and 101 other negative behaviours, leaves "the other" in even less state of wanting to listen to that opinion.

Of all the people I have met in my own life who were able to get me to reconsider a belief I was holding, it has always been those whose opinion was being sought, who knew their subject, could communicate it clearly and confidently, and not least were able to take a step back and not care too much whether or not I took on board their point of view.
 
Not to be disrespectful but... In rereading this entire thread and like someone else said she never really asked for advice.  Her brother the author of this thread asked her the question and she gave him an answer.  And as I stated in my first post there are different things that need to be taken into play with this.  I think she just has an idea of what she wants and what she needs. Anyway I wish her the very best in her new adventure. 


 


Andy
 
pardon me to add my twopenneth

'I was trying to explain to her what would be ideal and a dyson "stick vac" would not be ideal for someone who has a child and husband to clean up after and as her ONLY vacuum cleaner, what about when it runs out after 12 minutes? Hmmm? She will have carry on cleaning tommorrow as it ran out of battery. What about the car? Not enough charge nor power for that either. '

She might not have listened because you didn't listen to her. A Dyson cordless is great for quick cleanups, just pull off the dock and its ready, done in the time of plugging a cleaner in.

15 minutes is a long time for these cordless, I can do our 3 bed bungalow in that time. It copes with carpet well, so it is more than fine for hard floor.

3.5 hours is not a long time for charging, besides dyson do spare batteries and chargers, I have two on the go.

They are more than ideal for cars, especially with the cordless kit, the turbo brushes are great for the grit in car mats.

They are absolutely suitable for what she wants
 

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