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daknx1994

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I am currently in the process of buying a new vacuum cleaner. I really want to get a canister so I have it narrowed down to two choices. The first is the Miele S2 Homecare. The Miele comes with the SEB 228 Electro Plus power nozzle. I am only getting the standard attachments with this and no extras. The other option is the Perfect Power team canister. I have heard good and bad things about these from going through the forum archives. The Perfect is $599 and the Miele is $699. I am leaning more towards the Miele but I thought I would ask you guys and get your honest opinions on what you would go with. And yes I have already tried both of them out and tested them. Just can not decide!

Thanks in advance.

http://www.mieleusa.com/usa/vacuums...bm=Vacuum Cleaners&thirdL=Canisters&fourthL=&
 
Between the two, the Miele by a country mile. The Perfect's build quality is suspect, and its power nozzle is a clone of one that's only so-so to begin with. By contrast, the Miele's power nozzle is one of the best on the market. The Miele's filtration is also way better than the Perfect.

The only other things I'd look at in that price range are the mid-sized Simplicity/Riccar canisters (the new Wonder/Prima especially, if your local vacuum shop has it yet) and the Sebo Airbelt K3, if you haven't ruled them out already.
 
The only problem with Sebo is no vacuum shop in my area carries them. I would have to drive a good two hours to get to a dealer so, Sebo is not in the choices. My dealer does carry Simplicity but they have no canisters in stock or even on display. I would hate to ask them if they are going to get one and then I decide it is not for me. There were so many things I liked better on the Miele over the Perfect. The only downside to the Miele is the cost and size of the bags. I have been told though you can fill those bags completely full and I guess the price would not be so bad considering the great filtration they have.
 
Well they have great filtration IF you get the Active Air Clean filter or more expensive HEPA filter.

The standard "Super Air" Clean filter is their basic microfilter that does an alright job until the third bag is used and then is starts to smell of dust and dankness. Worse of course if you have dogs.

In the UK we no longer get the PN option unless you buy a rechargeable battery floor head.

The S2 also benefits from a larger bag than the S6, so you're better off. In time you could buy a suction only floor head to get around the home if the PN isn't always required.

The only thing I don't like is that the S2 have small cord lengths. Measure what you have already and compare.
 
cord length...

That is one of the first things I considered with the Miele was the cord length and hose length. I have heard those two mentioned on here numerous times but considering I live in a mobile home, the cord and hose length is not to big of a issue since I have less space for vacuuming. Thanks for the info on the filters. I will have to inquire the vacuum store about those.
 
Please ask your Simplicity dealer...

tell 'em, "i'm lookin' to buy a cannister, soon". They will snap into action or will be out of business before long anyway with that level of service. Get advice here on a fair price, if their's is not in the ballpark, move on to Miele. No reason Germany's Miele, with it's comparatively crazy high labor costs, currency exchange rate disadvantage, and much higher shipping overhead should be able to compete...lessen you got a salesman who should be in another line of work scaring good customers like you to the competition. I went to a shark tank that I thought said "Aerus dealer" over the door...guess, 'word of mouth' is no longer a marketing consider with that firm. "Adios creep" i thought to myself never to return.

My father was a salesman driving in all weather through the northern midwest for decades...he walked in with cash whether it was a toaster or a new car and gave salesmen one chance not to completely eff up the sale...they often failed the test, i guess i take after him in some ways.
After all, it's easy not to be an asshole to someone who's putting food on your table, if not it might be time to learn.
IMO clone vacs like the Perfect are okay but not at that price. Seems you could get a like new Lux used and be happier.[this post was last edited: 2/14/2014-20:22]
 
Take a look at the Royal Lexon S20 canister. It's $699.99 retail, but you may be able to find it for a bit less online. I absolutely LOVE mine. The attachments it comes with are kind of meh, but it will take any standard size tools.

The PN is absolutely to die for and the build quality of the entire package is something incredible. It also comes standard with a really nice HORSE HAIR bare floor brush.

The machine and PN are both very quiet as well if noise is a considering factor.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news..

We've had that Royal vacuum in the UK under the Vax badge, but made simpler. Known as the "Maxima." Wertheim also brought it to the UK a couple of years ago with a PN but sales have been low, apparently.

I know it also sells in the U.S under Hoover and others.

For a straight suction vacuum, the Vax Maxima weighs nearly 8kg and I found it too heavy to lift as well as bulky to store. It also has a tiny 2.5 litre dust bag - HALF the size than Miele's near 5 litres on the S2.

I never understood why TTI made a Miele copy in the form of the Maxima - it looks very similar to a Miele S5, has the same dimensions, same power (2200 watts on the Vax) and yet has a tiny dust bag on board.

The PN on your Royal sounds rather good but if lightweight is a stronger consideration, the S2 is so much easier to handle and perfect for confined spaces.

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Wow...

I looked around on Ebay for a used one and there is not a lot to choose from. They do seem to pop up every few weeks with a nice deal though.
I know you are looking for a new machine but i got curious to see what one could do in the way of a made in America Tacony product if they were on somewhat of a budget. I found this tippy top of the line Riccar that sold for something less than the Buy it Now price of $150 plus shipping...nice deal it seems to me (see link).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/riccar-imma...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Do yourself a favor...

FORGET the Miele and get a Riccar/Simplicity.

Miele has TINY TINY tools that are pretty much useless and short cord amongst other shortcomings.

I made the Miele mistake and now I'm looking at Riccar (full size) and also considering Lux Guardian Platinum. Vacuums that are made for American homes (larger tools, bags, cords, hoses).
 
The drawback with the Miele S2 is that its the bottom of the Miele Range and sells in the UK without the PN for between £99 and £140 - so the price of $699 is very high just for a power nozzle, when you could get one with an air driven turbo brush for less. Do you really NEED an electric head for use in a static caravan? Electric heads (Power nozzles) make the hose heavier and more unwieldy, also with the reliability factor of internal wiring breaking over time. The air driven heads are very good on shorter pile carpet or for smaller carpeted areas. They also don't need an electric hose. Also on the Miele S2, the small accessory tools that come as standard with any Miele don't store inside the lid of the cleaner, but have a clip on plastic caddy that seems an afterthought. I have the Miele S6, which also stores its small tools outside the vac, its a smaller body but a smaller dustbag at 3.5Litres. I also have an S8, which is the model I'd recommend for larger homes, with a turbine head - its tools store in the machine, and it has the 4.5 litre Hyclean dustbags the same as the S2. It also has electronic power control. No Mieles use the handle operated electric motor suction controls now except the S8 Uniq.


 


For your smaller space - I'd say an S6 Onyx would be more compact - and if you have short pile carpets then the air driven turbo head would work out better value - see the link for details ($499). I have the equivalent model in the UK and its a great cleaner, small and compact, and the turbo brush is great on cut pile carpet, and this is the model I'd recommend. Unless you have severe allergies the basic Airclean exhaust filter is all you need, as all bagged vacs start to smell in the end, especially if you have Dogs. You get a new Airclean exhaust filter with each box of Miele genuine bags. Even the charcoal and HEPA filters don't completely stop the smell, and they have to be bought in addition to bags, and are a once a year expense as you have to keep replacing them.

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http://www.centralvacuumstores.com/miele/Canisters/Miele-S5-Series-Vacuums/S6-Onyx-S6270-Vacuum.php
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Simplicity/ Riccar or Royal Sr30020

Despite the outer shell,the inner guts of the Royal Lexon SR30020 is a much better machine than the Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary or Vax versions. They have great airflow and the hose, wands and power nozzle are amazing to use. Type S Royal HEPA bags are easy to find. The universal fit hose handle will accept near any manufacturers attachments.

Simplicity/ Riccar machines have tons of power, are very quiet, excellent builds, comfortable handle, long cords, metal base plate, metal brush rolls, you really can't go wrong with one of those either. I recommend the Simplicity Verve. It has a large capacity bag with full size power nozzle. Hose handle is very comfortable, and doesn't have the extra unnecessary bells and whistles which you most likely don't need.

Mieles are good build quality, quiet and good power. You will sacrifice hose length, cord length, and attachment size on the Miele. The bags and other parts are very expensive on the Miele and the power nozzles have no rug guard bars so they're more privy to eating up corners of throw rugs.


http://www.simplicityvacuum.com/products/canisters/mid-size/verve/
 
The question has to be asked - If Daknx94 lives in a Mobile Home, does he really need an expensive power nozzle setup? Its not as if he is gonna have wall to wall shag that really needs a PN - is it?


In the UK, most of us now use air driven turbo nozzles, and these suffice very well. It all depends on pile length and the amount of carpeting that has to be cleaned, and in a Mobile Home, there's not gonna be that much area to cover, plus it will save a lot of money by not  going for a PN option. The only reason he might need a PN model is if all the Mobile Home has shag carpeting and he has pets, where ingrained dirt and fur is a problem.


 


MObile home with a need for a PN?:

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There's a lot of push

Towards a riccar or simplicity canister, they really are worth looking into. I have both and i like them but i would take my Riccar 1700 (2nd to top of the line) over my miele Silver moon for a few reasons

1. The Carpet cleaning performance of the riccar is better than the miele due i put the two against each other vacuuming a pathway with each vacuum then i took a kirby with a demo tool over the same space.

2. The hose is longer on the riccar it just makes cleaning much more convenient

3. Cost of ownership, the riccar/simplicity canisters will be much cheaper to own
Riccar bags 6 for $16.95, Hepa Filter $32, 3 in 1 tool $10
Miele bags 4 for i want to say 20, Hepa Filter $50, dusting brush $20

Remember that these pads came from a vacuuming after these vacuums so the cleaner pad is the better performer, due to lighting you cannot really see it but the miele pad was more soiled with a finer dust, they are both good vacuums but i would definitely choose the Riccar

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Well Im just responding to Derek's original post. If I lived in a caravan I'd be happy with a SEBO K1. But then Derek has mentioned two brands and models he has his eye on.

Some of you seem to be neglecting this fact and just concentrating on other brands and models. Derek already doesn't mind about the short power cord. In a caravan space is usually at a premium, so does a longer hose or longer power cord really justify this need over cleaning versatility?

The S6 is indeed great but it has a smaller dust bag capacity. It is also far more expensive in the U.S than the S2 with electric nozzle. It is true that an air driven turbo brush might be a far more versatile unit but if it has to deal with thick carpeting, it may struggle.

From Miele USA, you actually get the standard suction only floor head AND the electric PN which I think is a great deal. For the cost price, the S2 or S6 Homecare seems to be well thought out. What a pity we don't benefit from these in the UK.




http://www.mieleusa.com/usa/vacuums/popUp/feature.asp?series=80&feature=218&model=363&cat=1&subcat=1
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Tons of info

First off I will post a link to what Americans call a mobile home or trailer lol. madabouthoovers that really made me laugh not in a bad way though. I should have been more specific on the definition of mobile home for Americans. I have provided a link to a picture of what I live in.
Anyways I appreciate all of the feedback and I am going back today to do some more inquiring. They do have the Royal Lexon there and in stock so I am going to look over those and see if those will suit my needs. As far as needing a powernozzle, yes I need one. We have a very thick almost shag carpeting and a turbo nozzle just would not cut it. I don't know why but I would rather have a powernozzle any day unless I had all hard flooring, but everything except for the kitchen is carpeting, and yes even the bathrooms.

http://thefhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Large-Mobile-Home.jpg
 

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