which is better dual cyclone or root cyclone

[citroenbx]

i think DUAL cyclone is better thay don't get blocked very much

and are not over powerfull but

you can put 1600w motor is a dc04 that would be as powerfull as dc07 then

if you wanted

WHAT DO YOU THINK

 

[citroenbx]

ROOT CYCLONE

 

[citroenbx]

ROOT FAIL

 

[beko1987]

I think Root does have more airflow, but I do have a soft spot for Dual Cyclone machines, not least because they are easier to strip down and clean, and don't do what the DC07 in your picture does (and I've seen many examples of it!)

 

[parwaz786]

I like all Dysons from DC01 to DC33, DC44 is another nice latest Dyson
Root cyclone is better I guess, but does get dirty!!!
The DC07 malaysian modela are screamers

 

[citroenbx]

vacuums

i like dc01 to dc08
after that i don't like dyson

i like hoover turbopower 3

and some old vax models like 121 and 4000

and old panasonic vacuum from 80s and 90s

and lots more

but i don't like any vacuum made after 2007

 

[parwaz786]

How can you not like the DC14 but like the DC07?

 

[citroenbx]

.

sorry i do like dc14 cluchless
and dc11

and that is IT

 

[super-sweeper]

reply #5!

Ha, good man! I would prefer dual-cyclones, especially since the Fantom vacuums were built with them, and they're such great cleaners, Amway too!

 

[fantomlightning]

I may just be very biased, but I'd say dual cyclone. When well engineered I've found dual cyclone machines to filter better than cheap multi cyclonic machines. IMHO once you get past 2 cyclones I think it simply impedes airflow and creates unnecessary and unpleasant noise.

 

[ultraperformer]

I always found the DC04 to be fantastic at filtering even fire ash, our next Dyson a root cyclone DC18 needed extensily more filter maintenance, the Radial cyclone DC38 I have seems very good possibliy better than the DC04,

 

[rolls_rapide]

It's funny how the Dyson "Core Separator" technology (aka Level 3 Root Cyclone) seems to have become a dead-end technology. Maybe the patents have expired.

 

[ultraperformer]

I never understood why they didn't produce more core separator machines it seemed a logical progression to me!

 

[manchestervacs]

There is a lot to be said for the DC04. The DC33 - years later - is running on many of the same parts anyway. That says a lot. 

I like DC07's but they do have their cyclone problems.

On the DC14, they went back to filter in the top of the cyclone and they have more in common with the DC04 then the DC07.

The DC33 is a facelifted DC14 with less metal and more plastic.

There is a lot to be said for DC04's. It was good, solid, reliable engineering. We still sell them pretty much every day reconditioned. Can be fixed nice and easy like a Morris Minor. What's not to like?

The Dyson Medic photo above was actually taken in our shop on our techs bench (all the crap in the background gives it away - he isn't the tidiest of blokes). Angus was down that day and we happened to open a customers machine that "wasn't sucking very well". When we saw what was inside, everyone pulled out their phones to photograph it. It was to become the poster boy as to what DC07's can suffer from. 

 

[matt8808]

My favourite Dyson has to be the DC04. Simple, solid engineering and a decent performer compared to most modern plastic vacs.

 

[seamusuk]

My Favourite and the best Dyson made IMO

DC04 Constant max- I have both versions, this and the later Steel/Orange version...

 

[hi-loswitch98]

My favourite Dyson has to be the DC04 - as mentioned before, simple engineering, a breeze to refurbish & they still sell like Hotcakes on Facebook!

 

[madabouthoovers]

Have to agree, the DC04 was a good machine, and the colours were good too. My favourite ones were the DeStijl, and the Limited edition pink and purple. They were better than the DC01 in that they had washable filters, and they had clutches too.


Its interesting how Dyson has gone backwards over the years regarding filter washing. On the DC07, it was recommended to wash the filter every 6 months, but on the later DC50, this is now every 1 month. The DC07 was actually very good at keeping the pre-motor filter clean (well, those that were de-rooted were anyway). The less powerful they have become, the more dust that gets to the pre-motor filter.

 

[madabouthoovers]

DC04 Pink and Purple, and yes, despite the fact I don't like modern Dysons, I did like the older models a lot. I still do own all these machines.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

That DC04 DeStijl looks pristine Steve!

 

[madabouthoovers]

It wasn't when I bought it - it was actually a bit of a wreck, that I paid a tenner for off ebay, just like the Pink and Purple one. They had to have a lot of TLC.


This was the ebay ad picture for the pink and purple, it cost me a fiver, non working - cable broken:

 

[parwaz786]

WOW! I would love a DC15 and DC14. Well done Looks like you need a new DC14 Animal cyclone though because of the discolouration

 

[baglessball]

I like a DC04, 07 and 14!

I have always advised people to give the cyclones a good wack against the bin, or hard on the floor before emptying. To keep them clear, apart from the rooted 07's, obviously!

The carpeted versions of all these machines can really fetch a lot of crap out of carpets.

Regarding filter washing. I spoke to a Dyson engineer who said that the reason the newer machines need more frequent filter maintenance was Dyson's answer to people forgetting to clean them. He said that because twice a year was so little, people would just forget.

I totally agree with that, I know people that still won't wash them monthly, but more regularly than not at all.

A part of me thinks that it also may have been done intentionally, in line for the Cinetic being released.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I still think the later models, with smaller motors, dirtied the premotor filter a lot quicker than the early models.


I ran a DC07 for years, and it very rarely needed any cleaning of the premotor filter. Aside from the extreme noise, they were actually very effective at filtering the dust. I think Dyson over engineered what was essentially a good design. More cyclones do not mean less filter maintenance, so why bother with so many? Personally I think it was solely for the sake of releasing new models, to keep sales up.


I still think after 2007, and the economic crash, Dyson started skimping on quality, with more plastic and less metal.


The backbones on the pre DC25 uprights were very sturdy with metal wands. These were good machines. Now, they are all plastic, and when I tried out a DC41 in Currys, I was disappointed how flimsy the backbone of the machine was, and also the more frequent filter maintenance.


People might think I'm a Dyson hater - I wasn't, up until quite recently, and I've owned and refurbed a fair few Dysons over the years. I think Dyson has just got too greedy and profit hungry now he's established his name, and his current offerings of all ball designs don't appeal to all. He should still be offering a wheeled upright - an upgrade of the DC33 if you like.


Also, with the move to Malaysia, his prices should have come down, to reflect cheaper production costs, but they have gone up, and I feel he has a bit of a cheek to ask for so much. He's made his fortune, so its time his machines became more reasonably priced.

[this post was last edited: 4/17/2014-07:15]

 

[parwaz786]

That is so true!
My neighbours DC33 needed 3 repairs, there were the motor burn out, the plastic pole in the wand coming out and the cable connection that got loose.
The plastic wand felt like it was going to snap!

When I had the DC41 Animal for repair for a week, I had a good go t it and it was just skimming the floor, the DC04 has more suction, it does not lift carpets
better than a DC04 or even a DC02.

When I was using the so called "ball" feature, the handle was twisting a bit because of the flexible plastic and the plastic pole made it feel weak. I thought the handle was going to snap!
The DC25 is the last best Dyson now. the DC44 is a good stick vac, and the DC33 is an OK machine is its used carfully, but that's it really.
I felt the stiffness of the DC40 brushbr in Currys and was impressed, so I may just get cheap DC40 to see and give it a chance.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I've seen a fair few DC41's on ebay where one side of the "ball" has broken off - they seem a poor design. Its a good job they offer a 5 year warranty, because there stands a very big chance you will need to claim on it.


 


(1967 posts - I've caught up with Alexhoovers94 - yay!)

 

[parwaz786]

LOL At the post thing
And yes, the ball thing is annoying! It's not really a ball, just a large sphere cut in half then put on the sides of a Dyson DC41. It is a terribly designed machine.
Also i it clogs, the best you can do is take the bin off, cleaner head off and you cannot check the hose inside the ball if that clogs up with pine needles for example

 

[madabouthoovers]

One of the selling points of the early Dysons was ease of clearing blockages, with removeable blockage check points. As I said earlier, in his attempt to make his vacs smaller, he's over engineered them, and made them too fussy and fragile. People knock their vacs about, and the DC41 just isn't up to hard use. Later model DC07's and the DC14 were fairly robust, unless users left them in the sunlight and then the plastic went brittle and was liable to shatter. The cyclone assembly on old DC07's can be incredibly fragile, as I found out to my cost

 

[madaboutsebo]

Parwaz786 did you not found the build quality of the DC40 the same as the DC41? Being it is a smaller version of the DC41? Dyson call the so called current ball vacuums the V Ball. Like you say it's not like the original ball versions. Dyson changed it to streamline the ball as customers had issues with the other ones with cleaning along skirting boards and under kitchen cupboards against the plinths.

I don't like the idea the DC40 only has one row of brushes along both brushroll parts where as the DC41 has 2 although in 2 different lengths each side.

I think the issue with the new ball vacuums as you say parwaz786 is that the DC41 doesn't clean so well I think is down to the new soleplate design where it seals in the suction. Surely that restricts the airflow to a degree and allowing it to stick to the floor making it hard to push (which I have read some reviews about this!) obviously depending on type of flooring. Not all users have plush think carpet or fairly new carpet where the airflow can flow freely through the carpet pile. If the pile is worn or down trodden that surely would restrict airflow through the carpet pile. Where as a vacuum with a height control set to the correct height allows air flow to freely flow into the vacuum head which allows the carpet to be lifted up to the cleaner head to clean efficiently. Just my thoughts on the matter!

I agree there madabouthoovers I do think the later Dyson vacuums are over engineered. I like you loved the earlier Dyson vacuums. I still watch what Mr Dyson and his Team are up to see what new technology appears.

I also agree about the easy to clear blockages of old Dyson models compared to the later ones. As the vacuums have got smaller. Again you only have to read customer comments on Dyson Facebook page in particular the DC39, DC49 and DC50 where air paths are narrow and hard to get at. The DC49 and DC50 the air paths go through the centre of the bin to enter the main cyclone which users say get blocked. The DC49 users complain the narrow air path that goes under the bin where the hose connects to gets blocked again hard to unblock. One user complain he could get at the internal hose on the DC50 that runs through the V ball that connects to the main cleaning head!

Compare them to the earlier models that had easy removal blockage ports, same size air paths through the machine making them easy to remove any block or detect one!

One Dyson vacuum I like but lacked power (IMO) was the DC03, slim light and laid flat to the floor which no other Dyson upright does! You could go under low furniture etc with it.....Dyson answer is to buy the additional tools or a digital slim to do that, well thats what I was once told when I asked if thy could design a vacuum that could do this now the DC03 is no more! I don't know why Dyson didn't develop this design further, at least they would still offer a wheeled upright. The ball is hear to stay, they don't think they are missing out not offering anything else!