Whew! I am not the only one that likes Miele vacuums!

[sebo_fan]

Have you had a K3 or D4 though?

Yes Marcus but it is different - the ET1 with the Felix is a far lighter and easier all in one vacuum compared to the K3 or D4.

Infact the Felix is lighter to push in my experience on carpet than fitting the Kombi suction floor tool, which the Felix 4 used to offer as a single model.

 

[marcusprit]

My point was comparing the miele and sebo power head. I have experience of both.
Miele PN C3 £600
Sebo D4 £350
Sebo K3 Premium £250
Sebo 5 year guarantee
Miele 2 Year Guarantee
Sebo easy to remove brushroll
Miele can't replace brushroll
Sebo edge cleaning on one side
Miele brusroll doesn't clean close to edge.
Add to that cheaper bags and filters then I'd go for Sebo. I don't need to copy other members views. They are the facts.

 

[sebo_fan]

Im playing devil's advocate but also my experience.

Yes but you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether the power nozzle is better than the other, you're forgetting the cylinder vacuum behind it PLUS the weight of the hose, plus the weight of the tubes regardless of whether SEBO fit the plastic sheath and metal ones for the PN head K3 or D4. Don't forget there's also the added weight the permanent rod that runs down the back.

You can compare each floor head all you like, but it doesn't hold much standing if you don't consider the vacuum that comes WITH IT.

Also, in my purchasing experience, Miele used to honour the 10 year guarantee with a few of their models back in the 1990s. The PN you speak of with the C3 from Miele could well come with a 10 year warranty "free" without extra payment. And even if you get the £35/£50 option to pay for that option alone, I'd still consider that if I was buying that model alone.

The "cheaper" dust bags and filters can only truly be considered if comparing only the D4 to the larger Miele GN bagged models. Otherwise the K series with its 3 litres only in a box of 7 to 10 could well balance out "in time" when comparing the larger known 4.5 litre/5 litre dust capacity of the bigger bags that Miele supply.

And then there's the problem I and quite a few other members online have had with the SEBO - the pig tail connectors. They are NOT honoured under the 5 year warranty. I gave up after going through 3 of the connectors from handle to the tubes.

 

[marcusprit]

Oh didn't realise the pig tail connectors weren't covered under the warranty. They are very exposed!

Anyway I prefer an upright on carpet I only use a cylinder for hard floors and above floors so I don't need a PN model.Mieles are excellent for my needs but I'm still going to get a Sebo E series

 

[sebo_fan]

By the looks of it the Electro head with the C3 isn't the ACCU Nova type either, since the C3 is fitted with an electro-tube, which suggests permanent mains power run. Even if the sole plate might be the same - infact from Miele's video it looks like the brush roll doesn't have any grids on it, thus easier to clean off the brush roll without taking anything off.

I wonder then with the lack of grids, does that mean rug edges are in danger of being sucked up into the brush roll? I already discovered that with the Vax Mach Air-E uprights recently as well as the Vax Cordless Air

 

[marcusprit]

The C3 comes with the 236 TOL PN.

If it's right Sebo won't honour the warranty on those exposed pigtails then that would put me off buying one! That is not good!

 

[pr-21]

I have a Miele Marin.....

It is great for the Auto Eco mode and all the other different suction levels. It has the SEB236 power nozzle. I have hardly used the vacuum. The stiff hoses need to be corrected two ways. Longer hose and more flexibility. The other thing is the above floor tools need improving. I have had other Miele's in the past and they all had these same issues. These would not be big deals to do, but it looks like Miele just changes the color and puts in 120 volt motor and power cord....for the American Market.....

Just my thoughts.....

PR-21

 

[Mike81]

I had the white Miele S380 canister about 2 years ago. It was well made and all connections snapped together firmly. Nothing fancy and not the quietest, but solid vacuum.
Now I have Miele powerhead (SEB 216-3). Plastic in it feels very durable and it performs better than I expected for it's size. One thing I don't like about it is the weight (again for its size). They could have make it a bit lighter and smaller. Some manufacturers do their powerheads with the same size brush roll more user friendly.

 

[marcusprit]

The brushroll doesn't get close to the edge though and you can't change it when it wears, that's why I prefer the sebo powerhead. See how close it gets to the edge on left hand side?

 

[Mike81]

Unfortunately we don't have Sebo products in the Finland. That looks like full-size powerhead. It's not comparable to the SEB 216-217?

Yes the edge cleaning isn't good, but fortunately I don't need it. I don't have wall to wall carpeted floor, only rugs.
About brush roll wearing. it has adjustable height. It's done by flipping bearing brackets. It's meant to compensate brush roll wear. But eventually it needs to be changed according to the manual.

 

[marcusprit]

I think the sebo et1 is 12 inches. I have the Accu nova which is the same as the one in your photo but battery powered. The battery is not great that's why they discontinued it. But if you only have rugs it's ideal I do love my S8

 

[Mike81]

Accu nova would be great with the modern battery. I agree the Miele S8 is excellent!
We have quite reasonably priced Miele lineup. For example Miele Classic C1 Powerline 149€ and Miele Complete C3 Powerline 199€

 

[marcusprit]

Yes that's excellent value and I agree an Accu Nova with a lithium battery would be good. I hope they introduce them again.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Interesting reading through this thread. I think Miele vacuums are good vacuums. They are well made and very high suction with great filtration and probably the best quality bags. However, they are up against SEBO, who build in my opinion better vacuums, especially in term of value for money, undercutting some models by hundreds of pounds. I think they have better carpet performance, are more versatile, and in my experience, simpler made, more durable with less expensive parts. Some of the plastics on my S7 I had were quite soft and the S5 canister didn't have the solidity of my D4 premium.

 

[marcusprit]

They are both excellent. Straight suction or turbo brush models it's a close call. Power Nozzle models I'd go for Sebo although if it's correct what Nar says the pigtail connectors aren't covered by the warranty that would put me off as they are very exposed.

 

[beko1987]

In the UK, Miele are pretty much the best you can get, along with sebo.

I have an S5111 as a daily driver and I keep looking for something more fun or vintage to replace it and I've not found anything yet!

 

[marcusprit]

Nar you are correct about the pigtail connectors and the exposed cable on the handle of the Sebo D4 and K3 Premium it is NOT covered by the warranty so you need to be very careful not to damage it. I'd consider covering it with tape. I'd imagine it is pretty easy to repair though?

 

[sebo_fan]

The thing is Marcus, its all very well covering it with tape but at the same time it limits the vac's use if you can't use the handle and hose for dusting with.

I dont know why SEBO can't just fit the connector flush into the handle of the vacuum. When you consider that Panasonic and other brands do it, its a total PITA.

 

[marcusprit]

I agree with you the cable should be flush into the handle i don't really understand why it isn't. Anyway i'm now considering a G1 i can get one for £189 which i think is fantastic value. I've always fancied one

 

[sebo_fan]

But the G1 doesn't have the all important squeegee you moaned about having, earlier.

 

[marcusprit]

It doesn't but i will only use it on my carpets. I wasn't moaning i was just pointing out it's advantages and disadvantages.

 

[sebo_fan]

Where can you get them for the price you quote?

 

[marcusprit]

It's a German company called reinigungsberater

 

[sebo_fan]

Handy to know thanks

 

[marcusprit]

My pleasure

 

[sebo_fan]

Check item number on EBay UK: 201282567379

 

[marcusprit]

Oh yeah Ensign

 

[mieles5380leo]

I LOVE my Miele

My Miele is the best vacuum I've ever owned. I think they have the simplest design there is.

 

[thermokid]

Miele-- Good Vacuums

if it only wasn't for the short cord and short hose and expensive bags and filters.

 

[sebo_fan]

"...if it only wasn't for the short cord and short hose and expensive bags and filters. "

Well it depends on how you look at things.

Currently in Europe most cylinder vacs are now being released with hoses as short of 1.5 metres to compensate for the lack of suction worries that the EU law have brought in for reducing vacuum cleaner power.

Miele still appear to be making longer hoses at 1.8 metres, SEBO offer 2.1 metres on selected models from 1.8 metres and the Numatic Henry offers 2.5 metres. Too much hose can be difficult to manage in my experience.

Whilst I agree the filters and bags are expensive by Miele, the filters in my experience do last longer than a year, but it very much depends on the kind of your home you have and the number of family members. Miele vacs do last a long time though, longer than most other European non-German brands in my experience, and their fittings are good.

As for short cords, Miele are improving. The S8 model I have has an 8 metre cord length which was unheard of many years ago; Miele could easily fit longer cords but they don't want their uprights to suffer if people are buying more of the cylinders/cans.