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Nice one Ryan!

Great swap! I do like the Sebo cylinders (especially the D series), but Miele seem to have the edge of them. It's like the old Hoover/Electrolux rule - Sebo for uprights, Miele for cylinders.
 
@sebo_fab, nice trade. Can you take a picture of the head you like that you are talking about. I am curious to see it?. Is it similar in design to the new airteq combo tool?
 
Oh no Cue - its the old floor head that came with older Miele canisters. Havent got one of my vintage brochures to hand for the actual model numbers sadly. As you'll soon learn, its the same carpet throughout my house!

But the old problem still surfaces in my home for the use of the Miele S5 - not enough cord stretch - but as with the K1 Komfort, its the cylinder vacs of choice to use in other places not determined, or required by the long lead. The S5 has a 2000 watt motor of course, but its so much quieter than my S6 Ecoline on the low settings plus indefinitely better built and even if it lacks the "Comfort" rewind feature on the power cord, at least my ankles don't get hit with the plug due to the lower way the plug recess has been designed. Also, its a good return to the tools under the flap as opposed to the external flimsy tool storer.

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Miele make fantastic cylinders but when it comes to Power Nozzles I'd go for Sebo. 5 year warranty as standard easy to remove brushroll, half the price of Mieles PN model in UK. You can't replace the brushroll on the Miele PN, the brushroll doesn't clean close to the edge and only a 2 year standard warranty.
So as far as PN cylinders go Sebo would be my choice.
 
I think if you own a SEBO or Miele PN model, you won't actually know. Yes, you can agree with several members in what they own, but actual ownership counts for a lot.

Having had a K3P and though I love the electronic control on the handle, I'm still not all that convinced that a PN cylinder vac offers more lightness than a conventional upright.
 
I do have a Miele Accu Nova which is the equivalent of the Miele 217 power nozzle. It is definitely lighter than using my Felix.
But I still say the Sebo is better value for the reasons I mentioned above.
If you are going to use a straight suction nozzle or turbo brush (with ear plugs) then Miele is an excellent choice.
 
I just bought a Miele S8 FreshAir suction only canister in pure white. I am a convert to Miele now! This is what a Eureka Williams vac would have been in the 21st century had it not been gobbled up by multinational Electrolux.

I am a strong believer in a 2-vac team for cleaning house: an upright for carpets (no tools) and a suction only canister for everything else. My Miele S8 is similar to the Alize which is now the top-rated suction only canister vacuum in current Consumer Reports ratings. It rates an "excellent" in bare floor cleaning, air flow through the hose for above the floor cleaning, emissions control and noise suppression. It even has a nifty spotlight on the ergonomic hose handle!

Very pleased with this investment and it was only CAD$550 from McHardy Vacuum here in Canada.
 
Oh yes definitely an upright for carpet and cylinder for hard floors and above floor cleaning. I use either my Dyson DC41 mk2 or Sebo Felix for carpet and Miele S8 for everything else.
 
Nar I don't copy what others say I form my own opinions. Like I say I have experience of Miele and Sebo PN. The Accu Nova (217 equivalent) And the Sebo ET1
If I copied what others say I wouldn't have got a Dyson :-)
 
Have you had a K3 or D4 though?

Yes Marcus but it is different - the ET1 with the Felix is a far lighter and easier all in one vacuum compared to the K3 or D4.

Infact the Felix is lighter to push in my experience on carpet than fitting the Kombi suction floor tool, which the Felix 4 used to offer as a single model.
 
My point was comparing the miele and sebo power head. I have experience of both.
Miele PN C3 £600
Sebo D4 £350
Sebo K3 Premium £250
Sebo 5 year guarantee
Miele 2 Year Guarantee
Sebo easy to remove brushroll
Miele can't replace brushroll
Sebo edge cleaning on one side
Miele brusroll doesn't clean close to edge.
Add to that cheaper bags and filters then I'd go for Sebo. I don't need to copy other members views. They are the facts.
 
Im playing devil's advocate but also my experience.

Yes but you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether the power nozzle is better than the other, you're forgetting the cylinder vacuum behind it PLUS the weight of the hose, plus the weight of the tubes regardless of whether SEBO fit the plastic sheath and metal ones for the PN head K3 or D4. Don't forget there's also the added weight the permanent rod that runs down the back.

You can compare each floor head all you like, but it doesn't hold much standing if you don't consider the vacuum that comes WITH IT.

Also, in my purchasing experience, Miele used to honour the 10 year guarantee with a few of their models back in the 1990s. The PN you speak of with the C3 from Miele could well come with a 10 year warranty "free" without extra payment. And even if you get the £35/£50 option to pay for that option alone, I'd still consider that if I was buying that model alone.

The "cheaper" dust bags and filters can only truly be considered if comparing only the D4 to the larger Miele GN bagged models. Otherwise the K series with its 3 litres only in a box of 7 to 10 could well balance out "in time" when comparing the larger known 4.5 litre/5 litre dust capacity of the bigger bags that Miele supply.

And then there's the problem I and quite a few other members online have had with the SEBO - the pig tail connectors. They are NOT honoured under the 5 year warranty. I gave up after going through 3 of the connectors from handle to the tubes.
 
Oh didn't realise the pig tail connectors weren't covered under the warranty. They are very exposed!

Anyway I prefer an upright on carpet I only use a cylinder for hard floors and above floors so I don't need a PN model.Mieles are excellent for my needs but I'm still going to get a Sebo E series :-)
 
By the looks of it the Electro head with the C3 isn't the ACCU Nova type either, since the C3 is fitted with an electro-tube, which suggests permanent mains power run. Even if the sole plate might be the same - infact from Miele's video it looks like the brush roll doesn't have any grids on it, thus easier to clean off the brush roll without taking anything off.

I wonder then with the lack of grids, does that mean rug edges are in danger of being sucked up into the brush roll? I already discovered that with the Vax Mach Air-E uprights recently as well as the Vax Cordless Air

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The C3 comes with the 236 TOL PN.

If it's right Sebo won't honour the warranty on those exposed pigtails then that would put me off buying one! That is not good!
 
I have a Miele Marin.....

It is great for the Auto Eco mode and all the other different suction levels. It has the SEB236 power nozzle. I have hardly used the vacuum. The stiff hoses need to be corrected two ways. Longer hose and more flexibility. The other thing is the above floor tools need improving. I have had other Miele's in the past and they all had these same issues. These would not be big deals to do, but it looks like Miele just changes the color and puts in 120 volt motor and power cord....for the American Market.....

Just my thoughts.....

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I had the white Miele S380 canister about 2 years ago. It was well made and all connections snapped together firmly. Nothing fancy and not the quietest, but solid vacuum.
Now I have Miele powerhead (SEB 216-3). Plastic in it feels very durable and it performs better than I expected for it's size. One thing I don't like about it is the weight (again for its size). They could have make it a bit lighter and smaller. Some manufacturers do their powerheads with the same size brush roll more user friendly.

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The brushroll doesn't get close to the edge though and you can't change it when it wears, that's why I prefer the sebo powerhead. See how close it gets to the edge on left hand side?

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Unfortunately we don't have Sebo products in the Finland. That looks like full-size powerhead. It's not comparable to the SEB 216-217?

Yes the edge cleaning isn't good, but fortunately I don't need it. I don't have wall to wall carpeted floor, only rugs.
About brush roll wearing. it has adjustable height. It's done by flipping bearing brackets. It's meant to compensate brush roll wear. But eventually it needs to be changed according to the manual.
 

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