suckolux
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My current Kenmore does not have this issue, using the allergen paper bags
what should my next vacuum(s) be?
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sebo_fan
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I wish we had these in the UK. Panasonic's cylinder bagged vacuums are nothing like these ones in the U.S
mark40511
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First of ALL I LOVE these Kenmore vacuums
For me.....of the three Kenmore canisters that I had......the very last one I had was SKY BLUE with the quick disconnect.......I have NO CLUE why, but three PROPER bags slipped off the collar during cleaning and I had no idea it had slipped off until a week later when I opened the bin to check the bag.....It had slid 1/2 way OFF the collar (and I'm always very careful to install them properly, even OVERLY careful.) It was a mess so I cleaned the bin and filters and installed another bag.......that bag did the same thing.....I was baffled because this had never happened before with the previous 2 Kenmore can's....Nothing looked at all wrong with the collar system. When you slid the bag on, it was a tight snug fit.....clueless!
At any rate, from that point on, I slid the bag on the collar and put some tape to make sure it didn't slide off again and it didn't....
About the dust in the bin..It does happen.....Not as bad with the cloth bags as the paper, but even with the cloth there would be a fine layer of dust in the bin, on all the Kenmore can's I had......But not enough to stop using it. I loved those vacuums......I always used the cloth bags for the past couple of years of owning it.
The Lux that I have now doesn't even use cloth bags, just the paper C type bags, and those don't leak in the bin AT ALL....so not sure what the difference is...Because the Kenmore bags felt as if they were much thicker than the C Lux bags I use.
For me.....of the three Kenmore canisters that I had......the very last one I had was SKY BLUE with the quick disconnect.......I have NO CLUE why, but three PROPER bags slipped off the collar during cleaning and I had no idea it had slipped off until a week later when I opened the bin to check the bag.....It had slid 1/2 way OFF the collar (and I'm always very careful to install them properly, even OVERLY careful.) It was a mess so I cleaned the bin and filters and installed another bag.......that bag did the same thing.....I was baffled because this had never happened before with the previous 2 Kenmore can's....Nothing looked at all wrong with the collar system. When you slid the bag on, it was a tight snug fit.....clueless!
At any rate, from that point on, I slid the bag on the collar and put some tape to make sure it didn't slide off again and it didn't....
About the dust in the bin..It does happen.....Not as bad with the cloth bags as the paper, but even with the cloth there would be a fine layer of dust in the bin, on all the Kenmore can's I had......But not enough to stop using it. I loved those vacuums......I always used the cloth bags for the past couple of years of owning it.
The Lux that I have now doesn't even use cloth bags, just the paper C type bags, and those don't leak in the bin AT ALL....so not sure what the difference is...Because the Kenmore bags felt as if they were much thicker than the C Lux bags I use.
katieboo72
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Pet hair
My next questions are how will the Panasonic power nozzle deal with copious amounts of long dog hair on the carpet. I'd like a beater bar that won't let the dog hair get wrapped around it. I don't know what caused that on my Bissel, but it was unreal the amount of hair I had to cut off, an I had to take off the bottom plate to do that. Can anyone show me a picture of the underside of the Panasonic power nozzle?
My second question is are the wheels on the Panasonics rubber or plastic. I've decided I'd really like rubber wheels rather than plastic ones. I don't have any real wood floors yet, but I do have laminate, and I like the idea of rubber wheels on hard surfaces. Won't plastic wheels on a cannister scratch up wood floors?
Next, do they make any powered pet upholstery nozzles? I've used a turbo powered one, and I hated it, it kept getting stuck and I'd have to spin it to get it going again. It did, however suck up most of the dog hair from a microfiber sofa, with a lot of effort.
Thanks!
My next questions are how will the Panasonic power nozzle deal with copious amounts of long dog hair on the carpet. I'd like a beater bar that won't let the dog hair get wrapped around it. I don't know what caused that on my Bissel, but it was unreal the amount of hair I had to cut off, an I had to take off the bottom plate to do that. Can anyone show me a picture of the underside of the Panasonic power nozzle?
My second question is are the wheels on the Panasonics rubber or plastic. I've decided I'd really like rubber wheels rather than plastic ones. I don't have any real wood floors yet, but I do have laminate, and I like the idea of rubber wheels on hard surfaces. Won't plastic wheels on a cannister scratch up wood floors?
Next, do they make any powered pet upholstery nozzles? I've used a turbo powered one, and I hated it, it kept getting stuck and I'd have to spin it to get it going again. It did, however suck up most of the dog hair from a microfiber sofa, with a lot of effort.
Thanks!
poconovacman
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If you're not opposed to having an upright, a fantastic choice is the new Hoover WindTunnel MAX Pet Plus. It has a 28' cord with a cord winder so you don't have to wrap up the cord when you're done vacuuming, the brushroll shuts off with the click of a pedal for use on bare floors, it features an onboard super stretchy hose, wand, crevice tool, a pet hair eraser upholstery tool with rubber fins instead of bristles to gently wipe hair away into the suction stream, and an onboard air powered turbo tool with a rubber spindle instead of a traditional brushroll, again to gently wipe fur into the suction stream. It also features a very large capacity, easy to empty dust cup.
For carpet cleaning, you really can't beat Hoover's patented WindTunnel technology. It focuses the suction to the front, middle, and back of the brushroll housing for constant and even suction across the entire nozzle.
As mentioned above, the brushroll shuts off with the tap of your foot on an easy to reach pedal on the side of the nozzle. With the brushroll shut off, the concentrated suction will whisk pet hair, dust, and debris off your floors and into the sweeper.
I would never recommend a product that I haven't used myself and wouldn't feel comfortable using in my own home. This machine is one of the best, if not the best, in its price range. And of course, Hoover was the original name in electric vacuum cleaners, and continues to be one of the leading brands today.
Hope this helps!
Matt
http://hoover.com/products/details/uh70605/windtunnel-max-pet-plus-multi-cyclonic-bagless-upright/
For carpet cleaning, you really can't beat Hoover's patented WindTunnel technology. It focuses the suction to the front, middle, and back of the brushroll housing for constant and even suction across the entire nozzle.
As mentioned above, the brushroll shuts off with the tap of your foot on an easy to reach pedal on the side of the nozzle. With the brushroll shut off, the concentrated suction will whisk pet hair, dust, and debris off your floors and into the sweeper.
I would never recommend a product that I haven't used myself and wouldn't feel comfortable using in my own home. This machine is one of the best, if not the best, in its price range. And of course, Hoover was the original name in electric vacuum cleaners, and continues to be one of the leading brands today.
Hope this helps!
Matt
http://hoover.com/products/details/uh70605/windtunnel-max-pet-plus-multi-cyclonic-bagless-upright/
floor-a-matic
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If U decide to go for a power nozzle equipped canister (TriStar, Lux, Filter Queen etc) U can also buy a Wessel Werk HEB160 mini power brush. The HEB160 is motor powered so U don't lose cleaning performance like with turbo brushes that slow down as the bag fills
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?19593#bott
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?19593#bott
sebo_fan
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The thing is Katie, you're always going to have to deal with cleaning hair off the brush roll if you own pets. I'm not aware of any powered pet nozzles, although I'm sure there are a few in the U.S - I tend to find that whilst turbo brushes are fine for removing hair, a static lint upholstery tool is just as effective and far more versatile, especially if cleaning hair from fabrics that may get destroyed with a moving brush roll.
Also, plastic wheels generally don't mark flooring unless they are dark black and made of really cheap plastic. A lot of brands don't tend to use plastic that marks flooring in general, but rubber is better - it grips hard floors better, whether it is laminate or real hard wood.
Also, plastic wheels generally don't mark flooring unless they are dark black and made of really cheap plastic. A lot of brands don't tend to use plastic that marks flooring in general, but rubber is better - it grips hard floors better, whether it is laminate or real hard wood.
durango159
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Agitators are alll bristle now
Plastic and metal beater bars on vacuums are now a thing of the past. Unless you find a used machine that has them, they have been removed from the household line of vacuums. It's been found that bristles tend to be gentler and do a great job of grooming a rug while causing great agitation.
I believe the Panasonic wheels are plastic, but they are wide and really glide over all flooring well. I've used the it in houses with hardwoods, laminate, tile and rugs and it glides well over any surface.
I've never seen a brush roll on any machine that doesn't catch hair. Primarily it's human hair that gets around brush rolls. Nice thing about the Panasonic head is that it's a very wide opening so that there is lots of air flow to pull in the larger clumps and not get stuck. Also a great thing about most power nozzle canister vacuums is that the air flow channel is a very wide opening in the center of the head. Most uprights on the market have a small opening on far end of the machines nozzle. This makes it easier for hair to catch on brush and jam as it has to cross the entire nozzle width to be sucked in. Below is a link to a website that uses the same power nozzle as found on the 2 Panasonic power nozzles that I gave you as reference.
As I believe I mentioned before the Panasonic will fit an electric powered mini power head available through Panasonic or sold through Sears as the PowerMate Jr. They are all over eBay used/ new or on other sources of the internet and through Sears.
If you were to go upright, I would agree with Matt above that the Hoover Windtunnel Max is a great machine. They have models available in bagged and bagless mode. Only things with uprights are that there is no option for electric powered hand tool as you suggested. Additionally you can shut off the brush roll on some models and use the upright head with just suction to get larger particles and hair clumps. However, to get a thorough dusting of the floor surface and greater maneuverability on floors you'll want a horse hair bare floor brush attached to a set of wands which is much easier to do with a canister.
http://www.centralvacuumstores.com/...ds/CT18DXQD-14in-Electric-Brush-Powerhead.php
Plastic and metal beater bars on vacuums are now a thing of the past. Unless you find a used machine that has them, they have been removed from the household line of vacuums. It's been found that bristles tend to be gentler and do a great job of grooming a rug while causing great agitation.
I believe the Panasonic wheels are plastic, but they are wide and really glide over all flooring well. I've used the it in houses with hardwoods, laminate, tile and rugs and it glides well over any surface.
I've never seen a brush roll on any machine that doesn't catch hair. Primarily it's human hair that gets around brush rolls. Nice thing about the Panasonic head is that it's a very wide opening so that there is lots of air flow to pull in the larger clumps and not get stuck. Also a great thing about most power nozzle canister vacuums is that the air flow channel is a very wide opening in the center of the head. Most uprights on the market have a small opening on far end of the machines nozzle. This makes it easier for hair to catch on brush and jam as it has to cross the entire nozzle width to be sucked in. Below is a link to a website that uses the same power nozzle as found on the 2 Panasonic power nozzles that I gave you as reference.
As I believe I mentioned before the Panasonic will fit an electric powered mini power head available through Panasonic or sold through Sears as the PowerMate Jr. They are all over eBay used/ new or on other sources of the internet and through Sears.
If you were to go upright, I would agree with Matt above that the Hoover Windtunnel Max is a great machine. They have models available in bagged and bagless mode. Only things with uprights are that there is no option for electric powered hand tool as you suggested. Additionally you can shut off the brush roll on some models and use the upright head with just suction to get larger particles and hair clumps. However, to get a thorough dusting of the floor surface and greater maneuverability on floors you'll want a horse hair bare floor brush attached to a set of wands which is much easier to do with a canister.
http://www.centralvacuumstores.com/...ds/CT18DXQD-14in-Electric-Brush-Powerhead.php
I think another good reason the metal or other "hard" beater bars have gone by the wayside-Fixed carpets where the whole carpet surface is glued to the subfloor-A beater bar on these pounds both the carpet and the vacuum.The beater bars were good on "floating" carpet-where only the edges were fastened to the subflooring.Royal sort of compromises here-the brush stiffeners in their metal uprights.Of all the vacuums I have or tried-these are the only ones that get dried mud off a carpet!!You may have a stain-but the dirt is GONE!!
jade_angel
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Those kind of brush stiffeners are present on Tacony vacuums, too, aren't they? My Simplicity 6970 has its bristles set into a stiff plastic strip that protrudes from the brush roll surface by a millimeter or two, and it shakes the heck out of the carpet, bouncing sand visibly into the air. If you detach the suction hose, it kicks up a dust cloud. The nozzles on Simplicity canisters seem to have something similar. The sculpted brush roll on the Wessel Werk EBK360 does the same thing, albeit not *quite* as vigorously.
katieboo72
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Decision made!
I decided on a used Kenmore Whispertone upright. I really appreciate all the input from everyone on here, you all have been very helpful. I've been enjoying reading this forum, it's a lot of fun.
Bought this on ebay for $65 including shipping. Whether it's worth $65 I'm not sure, but it was worth that to me. I'm not a big fan of Craigslist and I don't have a lot of time to go thrifting. Ebay really works for me even if I have to pay a little more. And this seller had taken the time to clean it well, put a new bag, belt in it, throw in an extra hose. I got a good vibe from the seller, unlike other sellers on ebay who want a lot of money for something that looks like it's been in a dust storm.
I tried out a new Panasonic upright in a vacuum store, and liked it except there was no way to shut off the brush roll. So I found this one, which looks very similar to the Panasonic uprights, and it does have the brush roll shut off, so I can use it on bare floors.
The suction is better than our bagless Bissell upright. In hallways and wide open spaces I can clean along the edges and just watch it pull the dog hair away from the base boards. Cuts down on having to go back over with an attachment.
Overall, seems to do well on both carpets and hard floors, except for picking up the leaves the dogs drag in. For that I really like that it has a quick draw hose I can use. It is just great on pet hair.
When the self-propelled is turned on, there's some squeaking. This really feels like an old vacuum. I do wonder how long it's going to last. I just feel like something's going to break any minute. I need to add a good floor attachment. The dusting tool is nothing fancy, but the bristles work well on lampshades. I wouldn't dust any expensive antique furniture with it, but it works fine on our furniture. And that squeegee looking thing, not sure what that is. There are no bristles on it, maybe it's for upholstery, I don't know.
I'm really partial to uprights, but I just don't have enough carpet in the house to justify spending $300 on a brand new Panasonic. I grew up with uprights, I cannot ever remember my mom or myself vacuuming with a canister until I was well out of the house as an adult. I remember we had that burgundy striped Hoover Convertible, among other uprights.
Anyway, thanks again for your comments. I'm still trying to decide what I'd like for a canister. It definitely needs to have a power nozzle that will lay flat on the carpet and not lift up when it goes under furniture. I'm enjoying researching all this.
I decided on a used Kenmore Whispertone upright. I really appreciate all the input from everyone on here, you all have been very helpful. I've been enjoying reading this forum, it's a lot of fun.
Bought this on ebay for $65 including shipping. Whether it's worth $65 I'm not sure, but it was worth that to me. I'm not a big fan of Craigslist and I don't have a lot of time to go thrifting. Ebay really works for me even if I have to pay a little more. And this seller had taken the time to clean it well, put a new bag, belt in it, throw in an extra hose. I got a good vibe from the seller, unlike other sellers on ebay who want a lot of money for something that looks like it's been in a dust storm.
I tried out a new Panasonic upright in a vacuum store, and liked it except there was no way to shut off the brush roll. So I found this one, which looks very similar to the Panasonic uprights, and it does have the brush roll shut off, so I can use it on bare floors.
The suction is better than our bagless Bissell upright. In hallways and wide open spaces I can clean along the edges and just watch it pull the dog hair away from the base boards. Cuts down on having to go back over with an attachment.
Overall, seems to do well on both carpets and hard floors, except for picking up the leaves the dogs drag in. For that I really like that it has a quick draw hose I can use. It is just great on pet hair.
When the self-propelled is turned on, there's some squeaking. This really feels like an old vacuum. I do wonder how long it's going to last. I just feel like something's going to break any minute. I need to add a good floor attachment. The dusting tool is nothing fancy, but the bristles work well on lampshades. I wouldn't dust any expensive antique furniture with it, but it works fine on our furniture. And that squeegee looking thing, not sure what that is. There are no bristles on it, maybe it's for upholstery, I don't know.
I'm really partial to uprights, but I just don't have enough carpet in the house to justify spending $300 on a brand new Panasonic. I grew up with uprights, I cannot ever remember my mom or myself vacuuming with a canister until I was well out of the house as an adult. I remember we had that burgundy striped Hoover Convertible, among other uprights.
Anyway, thanks again for your comments. I'm still trying to decide what I'd like for a canister. It definitely needs to have a power nozzle that will lay flat on the carpet and not lift up when it goes under furniture. I'm enjoying researching all this.
katieboo72
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The other side
Here is the other side of my Whispertone.
Here is the other side of my Whispertone.
Sorry for noticing so late, but I'm the one that sold you that Kenmore. I'm so glad it arrived safe and sound and to a good home.
I wouldn't be concerned about it breaking anytime soon. I occasionally see these types of uprights with a broken bag door latch, but as you know that is not an issue on yours. Panasonic/Kenmores from this era are durable. Do you have any deep pile carpeting? The self-propelled wheels may be squeaking under strain. I didn't notice any squeaking on my low pile carpet or laminate. You have some beautiful dogs by the way. I have a golden myself.
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I wouldn't be concerned about it breaking anytime soon. I occasionally see these types of uprights with a broken bag door latch, but as you know that is not an issue on yours. Panasonic/Kenmores from this era are durable. Do you have any deep pile carpeting? The self-propelled wheels may be squeaking under strain. I didn't notice any squeaking on my low pile carpet or laminate. You have some beautiful dogs by the way. I have a golden myself.
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Help please
Hi, I have the same issues with pets. I need one with good suction. Would rather have a good used one than a new one. I cannot stand the bagless vacuums. Too much work cleaning it. I want one with a bag I can throw away. I considered the Filter Queen, but that seems like it would be hard to clean. We live on a working ranch, so my floors get lots of abuse and lots of full bags/canisters. I'm looking for the best suction, best motor and easiest to clean. Thank you so much. This has been so helpful. I'm leaning towards a Kirby G4, but please tell me if there's something better for my needs.
Hi, I have the same issues with pets. I need one with good suction. Would rather have a good used one than a new one. I cannot stand the bagless vacuums. Too much work cleaning it. I want one with a bag I can throw away. I considered the Filter Queen, but that seems like it would be hard to clean. We live on a working ranch, so my floors get lots of abuse and lots of full bags/canisters. I'm looking for the best suction, best motor and easiest to clean. Thank you so much. This has been so helpful. I'm leaning towards a Kirby G4, but please tell me if there's something better for my needs.
ornery
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Royal All Metal Upright Of Course!
Personally, I'd get a used Royal Metal Upright, but you can get a new Sanitaire SC888J, that cleans as well, for a couple hundred. Use any two-bit little canister for tool needs.
http://www.acesewvac.com/san-888-j.html#sthash.ERaJf2kU.dpbs
Personally, I'd get a used Royal Metal Upright, but you can get a new Sanitaire SC888J, that cleans as well, for a couple hundred. Use any two-bit little canister for tool needs.
http://www.acesewvac.com/san-888-j.html#sthash.ERaJf2kU.dpbs
stricklybojack
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I think for most people...
The standard Sanitaire is a far easier vac to own than a metal Royal. Belt changing alone is reason enough. Though not winning any awards it is also much more tolerable noise wise unless you opt for an older lower amp Royal machine. The cleaning person at my mother's house made a bee line for the Sanitaires i keep there and avoided my Royal 1030z like the plauge.
G4's or any Generation Kirby, is heavy, crazy expensive new, and complicated. Like the Royal above, my Kirby Sentria (G10) was also avoided.
This Hoover CH50020 in my pic and link, is simply the best bargin out there in new vacuums right now and is essentially the same machine as the standard Sanitaire for much less money.
Unless you want an extremely light vacuum, or want to have onboard cleaning, or need carpet and bare floor ability in the same machine (only a central vac system can be all of these things at once) the Hoover wins the day. It's new, and delivered to your house tax free at an amazing price...i will be buying one soon to salt away as i don't think the deal will be around forever.[this post was last edited: 2/27/2014-10:08]
http://abcvacuumwarehouse.com/hoover-ch50000-professional-commercial-upright-vacuum-1.html
The standard Sanitaire is a far easier vac to own than a metal Royal. Belt changing alone is reason enough. Though not winning any awards it is also much more tolerable noise wise unless you opt for an older lower amp Royal machine. The cleaning person at my mother's house made a bee line for the Sanitaires i keep there and avoided my Royal 1030z like the plauge.
G4's or any Generation Kirby, is heavy, crazy expensive new, and complicated. Like the Royal above, my Kirby Sentria (G10) was also avoided.
This Hoover CH50020 in my pic and link, is simply the best bargin out there in new vacuums right now and is essentially the same machine as the standard Sanitaire for much less money.
Unless you want an extremely light vacuum, or want to have onboard cleaning, or need carpet and bare floor ability in the same machine (only a central vac system can be all of these things at once) the Hoover wins the day. It's new, and delivered to your house tax free at an amazing price...i will be buying one soon to salt away as i don't think the deal will be around forever.[this post was last edited: 2/27/2014-10:08]
http://abcvacuumwarehouse.com/hoover-ch50000-professional-commercial-upright-vacuum-1.html
ornery
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They're Giving 'Em Away!
Holy crap, $142 and free shipping? Can't be much profit margin on that puppy!
We replaced a Royal 1030Z with a Sanitaire SC886, and it is equally loud, if not, louder. Not sure if the bagged Hoovers or Sanitaires are as loud, but that just might be the price you have to pay for the cleaning ability.
I did notice a Royal with type B bags is insanely loud when the bag assembly is not mounted. I think the plastic up-tube baffles the noise substantially. That may be a clue for a way to quiet these things down a bit more.
Holy crap, $142 and free shipping? Can't be much profit margin on that puppy!
We replaced a Royal 1030Z with a Sanitaire SC886, and it is equally loud, if not, louder. Not sure if the bagged Hoovers or Sanitaires are as loud, but that just might be the price you have to pay for the cleaning ability.
I did notice a Royal with type B bags is insanely loud when the bag assembly is not mounted. I think the plastic up-tube baffles the noise substantially. That may be a clue for a way to quiet these things down a bit more.
stricklybojack
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JL
Like you said.
Maybe they are the same level of noise but it seems the Royal spins that brush extremly fast, the nozzle will clamp to the floor unless properly adjusted...in all it feels far more hectic than the standard Sanitaire/Hoover Convertible layout does in everyday use.
Like you said.
Maybe they are the same level of noise but it seems the Royal spins that brush extremly fast, the nozzle will clamp to the floor unless properly adjusted...in all it feels far more hectic than the standard Sanitaire/Hoover Convertible layout does in everyday use.
thekirbylover
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sebo D4
or K3 premium sound like a good choice for you just find a used one on ebay, here is a link to the video of mine
or K3 premium sound like a good choice for you just find a used one on ebay, here is a link to the video of mine
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